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  1. #1
    John Navas
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    <http://www.theregister.com/2006/08/03/verizon_tunes/>

    Verizon has managed to get positive headlines for its attempt to make
    music downloads popular "over the air" by announcing that it is
    dropping its original "pay up front" demand - a monthly $15
    subscription fee.

    But a song which costs $0.99 to download to a PC still costs $1.99 to
    buy via CDMA data.

    The phone which is the basis of the latest story is LG's Chocolate
    device, which Verizon sells for $150 ("after rebate with new two year
    activation") - and for $249 with a one-year contract. There is also a
    Samsung music phone involved in the promotion.

    There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    costs another $100 on top.

    So far, Verizon's attempts to get into the iPod market have been a
    resounding flop.

    It started out in January by "upgrading" the Samsung phones with new
    software so subscribers could buy tunes from V Cast - the Verizon
    music store. But subscribers were outraged to discover that not only
    were they stung for the $15 a month fee, but also, the software
    disabled their phones. Before the upgrade, they could play MP3:
    after, this feature was broken. It could only play Windows Media
    files (WMA).

    [MORE]

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  2. #2
    Steve
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    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    John Navas wrote:

    > There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    > costs another $100 on top.


    You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
    than $40.
    (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5425&CatId=380)

    Steve



  3. #3
    Kevin Weaver
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    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    John Navas wrote:
    > <http://www.theregister.com/2006/08/03/verizon_tunes/>
    >
    > Verizon has managed to get positive headlines for its attempt to make
    > music downloads popular "over the air" by announcing that it is
    > dropping its original "pay up front" demand - a monthly $15
    > subscription fee.
    >
    > But a song which costs $0.99 to download to a PC still costs $1.99 to
    > buy via CDMA data.
    >
    > The phone which is the basis of the latest story is LG's Chocolate
    > device, which Verizon sells for $150 ("after rebate with new two year
    > activation") - and for $249 with a one-year contract. There is also a
    > Samsung music phone involved in the promotion.
    >
    > There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    > costs another $100 on top.
    >
    > So far, Verizon's attempts to get into the iPod market have been a
    > resounding flop.
    >
    > It started out in January by "upgrading" the Samsung phones with new
    > software so subscribers could buy tunes from V Cast - the Verizon
    > music store. But subscribers were outraged to discover that not only
    > were they stung for the $15 a month fee, but also, the software
    > disabled their phones. Before the upgrade, they could play MP3:
    > after, this feature was broken. It could only play Windows Media
    > files (WMA).
    >
    > [MORE]
    >

    Cingular is also going to release the very same phone. Was told this
    today by a cingular rep.



  4. #4
    John Navas
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    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >
    >> There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    >> costs another $100 on top.

    >
    >You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
    >than $40.
    >(http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5425&CatId=380)


    Not microSD, not a good brand, and not a good retailer.
    $40 for a good quality 1 GB microSD card from a good retailer:
    <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820208043>
    2 GB microSD card is currently a Verizon exclusive at $100.
    <http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2006/07/sandisk_lifts_veil_on_2gb_microsd_cards.html>

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  5. #5
    John Navas
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    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:02:40 GMT, Kevin Weaver
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >> <http://www.theregister.com/2006/08/03/verizon_tunes/>


    >> The phone which is the basis of the latest story is LG's Chocolate
    >> device, which Verizon sells for $150 ("after rebate with new two year
    >> activation") - and for $249 with a one-year contract. There is also a
    >> Samsung music phone involved in the promotion.


    >Cingular is also going to release the very same phone. Was told this
    >today by a cingular rep.


    Maybe this one will be different, and it is getting good reviews, but
    I've personally been unimpressed by every LG handset I've ever tried,
    and this one is very expensive.

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  6. #6
    AZ Nomad
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    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:


    >John Navas wrote:


    >> There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    >> costs another $100 on top.


    >You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
    >than $40.
    >(http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5425&CatId=380)


    Try manufacturing phones with those flash cards and you won't be using tiger
    as a shining example any more.

    Tigerdirect gets overruns and last years models sold to them at a loss. What
    tiger direct offers consumers is irrelevent to the costs of putting together
    a product from new parts. No phone company is going to go to tiger direct
    and take the memory sticks apart, and modify the phones to use them and then
    modify the phones with every batch of a hundred memory sticks to use every
    single kind of chip that is out there.



  7. #7
    Steve
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    AZ Nomad wrote:
    > On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>John Navas wrote:

    >
    >
    >>> There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    >>> costs another $100 on top.

    >
    >
    >>You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
    >>than $40.
    >>(http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5425&CatId=380)

    >
    >
    > Try manufacturing phones with those flash cards and you won't be using tiger
    > as a shining example any more.
    >
    > Tigerdirect gets overruns and last years models sold to them at a loss. What
    > tiger direct offers consumers is irrelevent to the costs of putting together
    > a product from new parts. No phone company is going to go to tiger direct
    > and take the memory sticks apart, and modify the phones to use them and then
    > modify the phones with every batch of a hundred memory sticks to use every
    > single kind of chip that is out there.


    What in the world are you talking about? Why would anyone rip apart a
    phone to place a memory card in a slot? If you are unhappy with Tiger
    how about this one?
    (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820211314) I'll
    look up some more if you want me to. I bet you a 2 Gig chip that I find
    a dozen sources at less than $40.

    The point is, the $100 dollar "on top" cost in the original posting is
    an exaggeration except for anyone not willing to shop around.

    Steve



  8. #8
    Steve
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    John Navas wrote:
    > On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <[email protected]> wrote in
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    >
    >>John Navas wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    >>> costs another $100 on top.

    >>
    >>You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
    >>than $40.
    >>(http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5425&CatId=380)

    >
    >
    > Not microSD, not a good brand, and not a good retailer.
    > $40 for a good quality 1 GB microSD card from a good retailer:
    > <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820208043>
    > 2 GB microSD card is currently a Verizon exclusive at $100.
    > <http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2006/07/sandisk_lifts_veil_on_2gb_microsd_cards.html>



    Even your examples show that $100 is hyperbole. I wasn't aware that
    Tiger is not a "good retailer". I have been satisfied with them as an
    occasional customer.

    Steve



  9. #9
    John Navas
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    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 03:31:59 GMT, Steve <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> <[email protected]>:
    >>
    >>
    >>>John Navas wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    >>>> costs another $100 on top.
    >>>
    >>>You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
    >>>than $40.
    >>>(http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5425&CatId=380)

    >>
    >>
    >> Not microSD, not a good brand, and not a good retailer.
    >> $40 for a good quality 1 GB microSD card from a good retailer:
    >> <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820208043>
    >> 2 GB microSD card is currently a Verizon exclusive at $100.
    >> <http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2006/07/sandisk_lifts_veil_on_2gb_microsd_cards.html>

    >
    >
    >Even your examples show that $100 is hyperbole.


    My example shows the only 2 GB card to be $100.

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  10. #10
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 03:25:53 GMT, Steve <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >AZ Nomad wrote:
    >> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>John Navas wrote:

    >>
    >>
    >>>> There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    >>>> costs another $100 on top.

    >>
    >>
    >>>You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
    >>>than $40.
    >>>(http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5425&CatId=380)

    >>
    >>
    >> Try manufacturing phones with those flash cards and you won't be using tiger
    >> as a shining example any more.
    >>
    >> Tigerdirect gets overruns and last years models sold to them at a loss. What
    >> tiger direct offers consumers is irrelevent to the costs of putting together
    >> a product from new parts. No phone company is going to go to tiger direct
    >> and take the memory sticks apart, and modify the phones to use them and then
    >> modify the phones with every batch of a hundred memory sticks to use every
    >> single kind of chip that is out there.

    >
    >What in the world are you talking about? Why would anyone rip apart a
    >phone to place a memory card in a slot? If you are unhappy with Tiger
    >how about this one?
    >(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820211314) I'll
    >look up some more if you want me to. I bet you a 2 Gig chip that I find
    >a dozen sources at less than $40.


    I'll take the bet. That's a standard SD card, not a microSD card. A
    standard SD card WON"T WORK. A miniSD card WON'T WORK either. It must
    be a microSD card. I'll send you my mailing address for the $100 2 GB
    microSD card.

    >The point is, the $100 dollar "on top" cost in the original posting is
    >an exaggeration except for anyone not willing to shop around.


    Not true. Verizon has an initial exclusive on the only card that works,
    and is charging $100.

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    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  11. #11
    WindsorFox[SS]
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    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    Steve wrote:
    > John Navas wrote:
    >
    >> There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    >> costs another $100 on top.

    >
    > You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
    > than $40.
    > (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5425&CatId=380)
    >
    >
    > Steve


    What fone uses that? The L7 uses micro SD.
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...x=0&image1.y=0

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    as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
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  12. #12
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:42:59 -0500, "WindsorFox[SS]"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >Steve wrote:
    >> John Navas wrote:
    >>
    >>> There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    >>> costs another $100 on top.

    >>
    >> You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
    >> than $40.
    >> (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5425&CatId=380)
    >>
    >>
    >> Steve

    >
    > What fone uses that? The L7 uses micro SD.
    >http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...x=0&image1.y=0


    Maybe Steve thinks he can squish it down to size in a vice.

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    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



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    WindsorFox[SS]
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    John Navas wrote:
    > On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <[email protected]> wrote in
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    >> John Navas wrote:
    >>
    >>> There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    >>> costs another $100 on top.

    >> You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
    >> than $40.
    >> (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5425&CatId=380)

    >
    > Not microSD, not a good brand, and not a good retailer.
    > $40 for a good quality 1 GB microSD card from a good retailer:
    > <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820208043>
    > 2 GB microSD card is currently a Verizon exclusive at $100.
    > <http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2006/07/sandisk_lifts_veil_on_2gb_microsd_cards.html>
    >


    Actually I was thinking about this...
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820171126

    As for Tiger, I have ordered from them at work since Newegg is not a
    vendor account and have never had a problem. I've also ordered a few
    things personally with no problem including my SLVR L7 since I didn't
    need all the stuff with the one at Newegg.

    --

    I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
    One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

    Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
    as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
    Cadbury Moose



  14. #14
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:11:35 -0500, "WindsorFox[SS]"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> <[email protected]>:
    >>
    >>> John Navas wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
    >>>> costs another $100 on top.
    >>> You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
    >>> than $40.
    >>> (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5425&CatId=380)

    >>
    >> Not microSD, not a good brand, and not a good retailer.
    >> $40 for a good quality 1 GB microSD card from a good retailer:
    >> <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820208043>
    >> 2 GB microSD card is currently a Verizon exclusive at $100.
    >> <http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2006/07/sandisk_lifts_veil_on_2gb_microsd_cards.html>

    >
    > Actually I was thinking about this...
    >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820171126


    That's 1 GB. 2 GB is an initial Verizon exclusive at twice the price.

    >As for Tiger, I have ordered from them at work since Newegg is not a
    >vendor account and have never had a problem. I've also ordered a few
    >things personally with no problem including my SLVR L7 since I didn't
    >need all the stuff with the one at Newegg.


    The basic problem with Tiger is that it sells so many seconds, returns,
    and overstocks.

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  15. #15
    WindsorFox[SS]
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Can phones challenge iPods?

    Steve wrote:

    > What in the world are you talking about? Why would anyone rip apart a
    > phone to place a memory card in a slot? If you are unhappy with Tiger
    > how about this one?
    > (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820211314) I'll
    > look up some more if you want me to. I bet you a 2 Gig chip that I find
    > a dozen sources at less than $40.
    >
    > The point is, the $100 dollar "on top" cost in the original posting is
    > an exaggeration except for anyone not willing to shop around.
    >
    > Steve



    That's still the wrong chip, it's SD not MICRO SD. And as of today
    the 2GB microSD is being reported as "debut." No it is not an
    exaggeration and no you won't find it in a dozen places unless you
    consider 24+ different Verizon stores as "dozens of places."

    From Biztoolbelt: "The 2GB launch was timed to go along with the
    Chocolate's debut on Verizon Wireless. Verizon's retail stores across
    the country will be stocking the 2GB chip for $99."

    From Gizmodo: "Unfortunately for most of the country, these 2GB cards
    are going to be sold exclusively at Verizon Wireless stores for the next
    60 days. That means you're not going to be able to hop online and grab
    one from NewEgg or Amazon."

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    I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
    One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

    Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
    as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
    Cadbury Moose



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