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  1. #1
    sparks
    Guest
    My boss wants a new phone...because one of the other bosses has a 650p
    and loves it. But it has versamail and wont' push email so he has to
    use 15 minute sync to get his emails and says that this shortens his
    battery use.
    SO does the W version have push for email?
    (sorry I am talking built in and not 3rd party)

    how about the battery life of the 700W it list more talk time but not
    sure about overall with standby.

    the new 700wx is it some sort of improvement?

    overall do people still prefer the p over the w ?

    thank you for reading this I am confused as to which to get. The P has
    been around a long time but it seems that everything you need is 3rd
    party and pay and pay.. but again without using a Windows version I
    don't know ...is it the same...everything you need you have to buy
    later?

    thanks again for any info

    sparks




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  2. #2
    Mateo
    Guest

    Re: need help with 700P or 700W....questions here

    we have 15 treo 650, bought a third party software called goodlink. Its
    awesome. It does everything a windows base phone does and more check it
    out



    sparks wrote:
    > My boss wants a new phone...because one of the other bosses has a 650p
    > and loves it. But it has versamail and wont' push email so he has to
    > use 15 minute sync to get his emails and says that this shortens his
    > battery use.
    > SO does the W version have push for email?
    > (sorry I am talking built in and not 3rd party)
    >
    > how about the battery life of the 700W it list more talk time but not
    > sure about overall with standby.
    >
    > the new 700wx is it some sort of improvement?
    >
    > overall do people still prefer the p over the w ?
    >
    > thank you for reading this I am confused as to which to get. The P has
    > been around a long time but it seems that everything you need is 3rd
    > party and pay and pay.. but again without using a Windows version I
    > don't know ...is it the same...everything you need you have to buy
    > later?
    >
    > thanks again for any info
    >
    > sparks





  3. #3
    Isaiah Beard
    Guest

    Re: need help with 700P or 700W....questions here

    sparks wrote:
    > My boss wants a new phone...because one of the other bosses has a 650p
    > and loves it. But it has versamail and wont' push email so he has to
    > use 15 minute sync to get his emails and says that this shortens his
    > battery use.
    > SO does the W version have push for email?
    > (sorry I am talking built in and not 3rd party)


    Sprint provides a push e-mail service for ALL of those phones; the 650,
    the 700p and the 700wx. It's called Sprint business connection.

    Like all push e-mail, to get this to work you will have to run a small
    application on your desktop taht connects to yoru mail server, checks
    for messages, and then "pushes" them to your phone. You then install a
    small app on your handheld that's used to read the messages as they get
    pushed to you.

    I've seen it used, and it seems to work quite well. In some ways I'd
    even argue it's more flexible than the Blackberry offering, in that you
    can have push e-mail without having to have an exchange server.

    > how about the battery life of the 700W it list more talk time but not
    > sure about overall with standby.
    >
    > the new 700wx is it some sort of improvement?


    The wx doubles the available memory over the 700w. You will have 64Mb
    of useable free memory on the wx, as opposed about 30 or so on the W.

    > overall do people still prefer the p over the w ?


    My view of smartphones in general is rather critical and dim, but having
    used Palm OS for a long time, I still would prefer it over Windows
    Mobile if I had to choose. Palm OS seems to be a more practical
    implementation, and was basically designed from the start as an OS
    intended for mobile devices. This is different from Windows Mobile,
    which started life as MS Windows shoehorned into a small space. If you
    ask me, Windows Mobile tries to do too much, and performance suffers
    because of it.

    Don't get me wrong. I have my issues with Palm OS, too. I think
    smartphones really are kind of a jack-of-all-trades and master of none.
    However, if you really want a device that does a lot of things and
    does them all badly, then my bet is that the 700p will do things LESS
    badly than the 700wx.

    >
    > thank you for reading this I am confused as to which to get. The P has
    > been around a long time but it seems that everything you need is 3rd
    > party and pay and pay.. but again without using a Windows version I
    > don't know ...is it the same...everything you need you have to buy
    > later?


    Pretty much. In fact, I would say that many Windows Mobile apps are
    probably more expensive than the Palm equivalents.

    One last thing: no matter what, you're GOING to pay for push e-mail.
    The whole point of "push" is that there is a provider with a server out
    there "pushing" the e-mail to your phone. Inevitably, you'll have to
    pay whoever's running that server for doing the pushing.






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  4. #4
    Chris Sweeney
    Guest

    Re: need help with 700P or 700W....questions here

    Blackberrys have BIS service the Blackberry Internet Service which
    really lets you have push email with any email that supports POP or
    IMAP, etc... Although its not true push as like with the BES server
    connected to exchange, its more push then your desktop pulling for new
    email every X minutes and then pushing it to the network. Also doesn't
    require you to waste more energy and leave your PC on, worse yet leave
    your laptop at work or home instead of bringing it with you as I have
    seen people do.

    Isaiah Beard wrote:
    > sparks wrote:
    >> My boss wants a new phone...because one of the other bosses has a 650p
    >> and loves it. But it has versamail and wont' push email so he has to
    >> use 15 minute sync to get his emails and says that this shortens his
    >> battery use.
    >> SO does the W version have push for email?
    >> (sorry I am talking built in and not 3rd party)

    >
    > Sprint provides a push e-mail service for ALL of those phones; the 650,
    > the 700p and the 700wx. It's called Sprint business connection.
    >
    > Like all push e-mail, to get this to work you will have to run a small
    > application on your desktop taht connects to yoru mail server, checks
    > for messages, and then "pushes" them to your phone. You then install a
    > small app on your handheld that's used to read the messages as they get
    > pushed to you.
    >
    > I've seen it used, and it seems to work quite well. In some ways I'd
    > even argue it's more flexible than the Blackberry offering, in that you
    > can have push e-mail without having to have an exchange server.
    >
    >> how about the battery life of the 700W it list more talk time but not
    >> sure about overall with standby.
    >>
    >> the new 700wx is it some sort of improvement?

    >
    > The wx doubles the available memory over the 700w. You will have 64Mb
    > of useable free memory on the wx, as opposed about 30 or so on the W.
    >
    >> overall do people still prefer the p over the w ?

    >
    > My view of smartphones in general is rather critical and dim, but having
    > used Palm OS for a long time, I still would prefer it over Windows
    > Mobile if I had to choose. Palm OS seems to be a more practical
    > implementation, and was basically designed from the start as an OS
    > intended for mobile devices. This is different from Windows Mobile,
    > which started life as MS Windows shoehorned into a small space. If you
    > ask me, Windows Mobile tries to do too much, and performance suffers
    > because of it.
    >
    > Don't get me wrong. I have my issues with Palm OS, too. I think
    > smartphones really are kind of a jack-of-all-trades and master of none.
    > However, if you really want a device that does a lot of things and does
    > them all badly, then my bet is that the 700p will do things LESS badly
    > than the 700wx.
    >
    >>
    >> thank you for reading this I am confused as to which to get. The P has
    >> been around a long time but it seems that everything you need is 3rd
    >> party and pay and pay.. but again without using a Windows version I
    >> don't know ...is it the same...everything you need you have to buy
    >> later?

    >
    > Pretty much. In fact, I would say that many Windows Mobile apps are
    > probably more expensive than the Palm equivalents.
    >
    > One last thing: no matter what, you're GOING to pay for push e-mail. The
    > whole point of "push" is that there is a provider with a server out
    > there "pushing" the e-mail to your phone. Inevitably, you'll have to
    > pay whoever's running that server for doing the pushing.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >




  5. #5
    Mij Adyaw
    Guest

    Re: need help with 700P or 700W....questions here

    How is the reception on the Treo 650P and Treo 700P as compared to a normal
    non-PDA cell phone? Do the PDAs really make good phones?





  6. #6
    sparks
    Guest

    Re: need help with 700P or 700W....questions here

    I really want to thank all of you for your help.
    We have an exchange server here and the push was what the 650 people
    here were griping about. The only thing they can do is have it call in
    on a schedule and get mail. I had not heard of have your desktop call
    in and then send it to you.

    **BIG NEW QUESTION***

    Is the battery time on a W the same as a P ?

    ""one of the doctors here has a 6700 and all she said was she likes it
    but the battery time is L O W.....

    but I think that is one cool little phone.
    I heard that some of them want the W phone for wifi....I said why
    and they had a few good reasons, no minutes and use in coffee shops
    and the like.


    thanks again for all your help

    sparks


    On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:29:49 -0400, Isaiah Beard
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >sparks wrote:
    >> My boss wants a new phone...because one of the other bosses has a 650p
    >> and loves it. But it has versamail and wont' push email so he has to
    >> use 15 minute sync to get his emails and says that this shortens his
    >> battery use.
    >> SO does the W version have push for email?
    >> (sorry I am talking built in and not 3rd party)

    >
    >Sprint provides a push e-mail service for ALL of those phones; the 650,
    >the 700p and the 700wx. It's called Sprint business connection.
    >
    >Like all push e-mail, to get this to work you will have to run a small
    >application on your desktop taht connects to yoru mail server, checks
    >for messages, and then "pushes" them to your phone. You then install a
    >small app on your handheld that's used to read the messages as they get
    >pushed to you.
    >
    >I've seen it used, and it seems to work quite well. In some ways I'd
    >even argue it's more flexible than the Blackberry offering, in that you
    >can have push e-mail without having to have an exchange server.
    >
    >> how about the battery life of the 700W it list more talk time but not
    >> sure about overall with standby.
    >>
    >> the new 700wx is it some sort of improvement?

    >
    >The wx doubles the available memory over the 700w. You will have 64Mb
    >of useable free memory on the wx, as opposed about 30 or so on the W.
    >
    >> overall do people still prefer the p over the w ?

    >
    >My view of smartphones in general is rather critical and dim, but having
    >used Palm OS for a long time, I still would prefer it over Windows
    >Mobile if I had to choose. Palm OS seems to be a more practical
    >implementation, and was basically designed from the start as an OS
    >intended for mobile devices. This is different from Windows Mobile,
    >which started life as MS Windows shoehorned into a small space. If you
    >ask me, Windows Mobile tries to do too much, and performance suffers
    >because of it.
    >
    >Don't get me wrong. I have my issues with Palm OS, too. I think
    >smartphones really are kind of a jack-of-all-trades and master of none.
    > However, if you really want a device that does a lot of things and
    >does them all badly, then my bet is that the 700p will do things LESS
    >badly than the 700wx.
    >
    >>
    >> thank you for reading this I am confused as to which to get. The P has
    >> been around a long time but it seems that everything you need is 3rd
    >> party and pay and pay.. but again without using a Windows version I
    >> don't know ...is it the same...everything you need you have to buy
    >> later?

    >
    >Pretty much. In fact, I would say that many Windows Mobile apps are
    >probably more expensive than the Palm equivalents.
    >
    >One last thing: no matter what, you're GOING to pay for push e-mail.
    >The whole point of "push" is that there is a provider with a server out
    >there "pushing" the e-mail to your phone. Inevitably, you'll have to
    >pay whoever's running that server for doing the pushing.





  7. #7
    Skorkles
    Guest

    Re: need help with 700P or 700W....questions here

    The 700W has the MSFP / AKU 2.0 pack needed to support push email from
    Exchange 2003 SP2.


    "sparks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > My boss wants a new phone...because one of the other bosses has a 650p
    > and loves it. But it has versamail and wont' push email so he has to
    > use 15 minute sync to get his emails and says that this shortens his
    > battery use.
    > SO does the W version have push for email?
    > (sorry I am talking built in and not 3rd party)
    >
    > how about the battery life of the 700W it list more talk time but not
    > sure about overall with standby.
    >
    > the new 700wx is it some sort of improvement?
    >
    > overall do people still prefer the p over the w ?
    >
    > thank you for reading this I am confused as to which to get. The P has
    > been around a long time but it seems that everything you need is 3rd
    > party and pay and pay.. but again without using a Windows version I
    > don't know ...is it the same...everything you need you have to buy
    > later?
    >
    > thanks again for any info
    >
    > sparks
    >






  8. #8
    General Schvantzkoph
    Guest

    Re: need help with 700P or 700W....questions here

    On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:16:55 -0700, Mij Adyaw wrote:

    > How is the reception on the Treo 650P and Treo 700P as compared to a normal
    > non-PDA cell phone? Do the PDAs really make good phones?


    I have the 650, it's a great e-mail device, it's OK for web browsing and
    Google searches, it can also run secure shell so I've been able to log
    into my Linux systems and run Emacs remotely. It also does Bluetooth well
    and it hot syncs with Evolution. Those are the good things. As a stand
    alone phone it's awful. It's very difficult to hear when you are using it
    by itself. In the car I love it, it has good reception and the Bluetooth
    speakers in the car fix the sound problem, however when I get a call when
    I'm not in the car I find it nearly unusable.






  9. #9
    Isaiah Beard
    Guest

    Re: need help with 700P or 700W....questions here

    sparks wrote:

    >
    > **BIG NEW QUESTION***
    >
    > Is the battery time on a W the same as a P ?


    Palm claims that the 700p has slightly more talk time (4.5 hours as
    opposed to 3 on the 700wx), but claims that both have the same 300 hour
    standby time.

    I WILL say that I highly doubt anyone who really uses the phone has ever
    come close to 300 hours of standby. If you have the phone doing push
    e-mail (or pull e-mail for that matter), or have other apps running all
    the time, that uses up the battery. Typical "real world" battery life
    seems to be enough for one or two days before you need a charge.

    The general recommendation is to plug it in every night to top off the
    battery.

    The good news is, there is an extended battery that can be bought, for
    those who aren't happy with the standard battery life. It advertises
    about 33% more capacity than the OEM battery:

    http://www.seidio.com/700_Treo_battery.htm

    > ""one of the doctors here has a 6700 and all she said was she likes it
    > but the battery time is L O W.....


    The reality is that this is a disadvantage of a smartphone. Your
    battery just isn't going to last forever, but at least ont he Palm
    devices, should be enough for an average day's use.


    > but I think that is one cool little phone.
    > I heard that some of them want the W phone for wifi....I said why
    > and they had a few good reasons, no minutes and use in coffee shops
    > and the like.


    Those folks need to realize that these phones use EVDO data, which does
    not use airtime minutes on either Verizon or Sprint, and is about as
    fast as a DSL connection. Both offer unlimited data plans for PDAs, and
    if you're using push e-mail, then most likely you HAVE the unlimited
    data plan as well. So, why pay extra for WiFi at a coffee shop?


    >
    >
    > thanks again for all your help
    >
    > sparks
    >
    >
    > On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:29:49 -0400, Isaiah Beard
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> sparks wrote:
    >>> My boss wants a new phone...because one of the other bosses has a 650p
    >>> and loves it. But it has versamail and wont' push email so he has to
    >>> use 15 minute sync to get his emails and says that this shortens his
    >>> battery use.
    >>> SO does the W version have push for email?
    >>> (sorry I am talking built in and not 3rd party)

    >> Sprint provides a push e-mail service for ALL of those phones; the 650,
    >> the 700p and the 700wx. It's called Sprint business connection.
    >>
    >> Like all push e-mail, to get this to work you will have to run a small
    >> application on your desktop taht connects to yoru mail server, checks
    >> for messages, and then "pushes" them to your phone. You then install a
    >> small app on your handheld that's used to read the messages as they get
    >> pushed to you.
    >>
    >> I've seen it used, and it seems to work quite well. In some ways I'd
    >> even argue it's more flexible than the Blackberry offering, in that you
    >> can have push e-mail without having to have an exchange server.
    >>
    >>> how about the battery life of the 700W it list more talk time but not
    >>> sure about overall with standby.
    >>>
    >>> the new 700wx is it some sort of improvement?

    >> The wx doubles the available memory over the 700w. You will have 64Mb
    >> of useable free memory on the wx, as opposed about 30 or so on the W.
    >>
    >>> overall do people still prefer the p over the w ?

    >> My view of smartphones in general is rather critical and dim, but having
    >> used Palm OS for a long time, I still would prefer it over Windows
    >> Mobile if I had to choose. Palm OS seems to be a more practical
    >> implementation, and was basically designed from the start as an OS
    >> intended for mobile devices. This is different from Windows Mobile,
    >> which started life as MS Windows shoehorned into a small space. If you
    >> ask me, Windows Mobile tries to do too much, and performance suffers
    >> because of it.
    >>
    >> Don't get me wrong. I have my issues with Palm OS, too. I think
    >> smartphones really are kind of a jack-of-all-trades and master of none.
    >> However, if you really want a device that does a lot of things and
    >> does them all badly, then my bet is that the 700p will do things LESS
    >> badly than the 700wx.
    >>
    >>> thank you for reading this I am confused as to which to get. The P has
    >>> been around a long time but it seems that everything you need is 3rd
    >>> party and pay and pay.. but again without using a Windows version I
    >>> don't know ...is it the same...everything you need you have to buy
    >>> later?

    >> Pretty much. In fact, I would say that many Windows Mobile apps are
    >> probably more expensive than the Palm equivalents.
    >>
    >> One last thing: no matter what, you're GOING to pay for push e-mail.
    >> The whole point of "push" is that there is a provider with a server out
    >> there "pushing" the e-mail to your phone. Inevitably, you'll have to
    >> pay whoever's running that server for doing the pushing.

    >



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  10. #10
    Isaiah Beard
    Guest

    Re: need help with 700P or 700W....questions here

    sparks wrote:

    >
    > **BIG NEW QUESTION***
    >
    > Is the battery time on a W the same as a P ?


    Palm claims that the 700p has slightly more talk time (4.5 hours as
    opposed to 3 on the 700wx), but claims that both have the same 300 hour
    standby time.

    I WILL say that I highly doubt anyone who really uses the phone has ever
    come close to 300 hours of standby. If you have the phone doing push
    e-mail (or pull e-mail for that matter), or have other apps running all
    the time, that uses up the battery. Typical "real world" battery life
    seems to be enough for one or two days before you need a charge.

    The general recommendation is to plug it in every night to top off the
    battery.

    The good news is, there is an extended battery that can be bought, for
    those who aren't happy with the standard battery life. It advertises
    about 33% more capacity than the OEM battery:

    http://www.seidio.com/700_Treo_battery.htm

    > ""one of the doctors here has a 6700 and all she said was she likes it
    > but the battery time is L O W.....


    The reality is that this is a disadvantage of a smartphone. Your
    battery just isn't going to last forever, but at least ont he Palm
    devices, should be enough for an average day's use.


    > but I think that is one cool little phone.
    > I heard that some of them want the W phone for wifi....I said why
    > and they had a few good reasons, no minutes and use in coffee shops
    > and the like.


    Those folks need to realize that these phones use EVDO data, which does
    not use airtime minutes on either Verizon or Sprint, and is about as
    fast as a DSL connection. Both offer unlimited data plans for PDAs, and
    if you're using push e-mail, then most likely you HAVE the unlimited
    data plan as well. So, why pay extra for WiFi at a coffee shop?


    >
    >
    > thanks again for all your help
    >
    > sparks
    >
    >
    > On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:29:49 -0400, Isaiah Beard
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> sparks wrote:
    >>> My boss wants a new phone...because one of the other bosses has a 650p
    >>> and loves it. But it has versamail and wont' push email so he has to
    >>> use 15 minute sync to get his emails and says that this shortens his
    >>> battery use.
    >>> SO does the W version have push for email?
    >>> (sorry I am talking built in and not 3rd party)

    >> Sprint provides a push e-mail service for ALL of those phones; the 650,
    >> the 700p and the 700wx. It's called Sprint business connection.
    >>
    >> Like all push e-mail, to get this to work you will have to run a small
    >> application on your desktop taht connects to yoru mail server, checks
    >> for messages, and then "pushes" them to your phone. You then install a
    >> small app on your handheld that's used to read the messages as they get
    >> pushed to you.
    >>
    >> I've seen it used, and it seems to work quite well. In some ways I'd
    >> even argue it's more flexible than the Blackberry offering, in that you
    >> can have push e-mail without having to have an exchange server.
    >>
    >>> how about the battery life of the 700W it list more talk time but not
    >>> sure about overall with standby.
    >>>
    >>> the new 700wx is it some sort of improvement?

    >> The wx doubles the available memory over the 700w. You will have 64Mb
    >> of useable free memory on the wx, as opposed about 30 or so on the W.
    >>
    >>> overall do people still prefer the p over the w ?

    >> My view of smartphones in general is rather critical and dim, but having
    >> used Palm OS for a long time, I still would prefer it over Windows
    >> Mobile if I had to choose. Palm OS seems to be a more practical
    >> implementation, and was basically designed from the start as an OS
    >> intended for mobile devices. This is different from Windows Mobile,
    >> which started life as MS Windows shoehorned into a small space. If you
    >> ask me, Windows Mobile tries to do too much, and performance suffers
    >> because of it.
    >>
    >> Don't get me wrong. I have my issues with Palm OS, too. I think
    >> smartphones really are kind of a jack-of-all-trades and master of none.
    >> However, if you really want a device that does a lot of things and
    >> does them all badly, then my bet is that the 700p will do things LESS
    >> badly than the 700wx.
    >>
    >>> thank you for reading this I am confused as to which to get. The P has
    >>> been around a long time but it seems that everything you need is 3rd
    >>> party and pay and pay.. but again without using a Windows version I
    >>> don't know ...is it the same...everything you need you have to buy
    >>> later?

    >> Pretty much. In fact, I would say that many Windows Mobile apps are
    >> probably more expensive than the Palm equivalents.
    >>
    >> One last thing: no matter what, you're GOING to pay for push e-mail.
    >> The whole point of "push" is that there is a provider with a server out
    >> there "pushing" the e-mail to your phone. Inevitably, you'll have to
    >> pay whoever's running that server for doing the pushing.

    >



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  11. #11
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: need help with 700P or 700W....questions here

    Isaiah Beard wrote:
    > sparks wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> **BIG NEW QUESTION***
    >>
    >> Is the battery time on a W the same as a P ?

    >
    > Palm claims that the 700p has slightly more talk time (4.5 hours as
    > opposed to 3 on the 700wx),


    You have an interesting definition of "slightly more talk time." For
    instance, mine would not include a 50% increase, which is exactly what
    4.5 Vs. 3 works out to be.


    >
    > The good news is, there is an extended battery that can be bought, for
    > those who aren't happy with the standard battery life. It advertises
    > about 33% more capacity than the OEM battery:


    Key word there is "advertises."

    While it may indeed have 33% more capacity, that doesn't seem to be
    translating into 33% more battery life. There are several possible
    explanations for this, none of which I wish to get into here.


    --
    Mike





  12. #12
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: need help with 700P or 700W....questions here

    Isaiah Beard wrote:
    > sparks wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> **BIG NEW QUESTION***
    >>
    >> Is the battery time on a W the same as a P ?

    >
    > Palm claims that the 700p has slightly more talk time (4.5 hours as
    > opposed to 3 on the 700wx),


    You have an interesting definition of "slightly more talk time." For
    instance, mine would not include a 50% increase, which is exactly what
    4.5 Vs. 3 works out to be.


    >
    > The good news is, there is an extended battery that can be bought, for
    > those who aren't happy with the standard battery life. It advertises
    > about 33% more capacity than the OEM battery:


    Key word there is "advertises."

    While it may indeed have 33% more capacity, that doesn't seem to be
    translating into 33% more battery life. There are several possible
    explanations for this, none of which I wish to get into here.


    --
    Mike





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