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  1. #1
    Ralph
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    Which is better? Thanks for your help





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  2. #2
    Bill Marriott
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    Re: Windows mobile OS or Palm OS??

    Ultimately it depends on your personal preference and what you'll be using
    it for.

    Windows Mobile is multitasking; Palm is not.

    Palm uses memory sparingly; Windows Mobile eats a lot of it.

    There are still more apps for Palm than Windows Mobile.

    The IE browser in Windows Mobile is generally considered superior to Blazer.

    Windows Mobile has drivers for WiFi SD cards; Palm does not.

    Palm syncs with Windows and Microsoft; Windows Mobile works just with
    Windows. (Unless you buy add-on software.)

    Many people consider the DataViz products bundled with most Palm smartphones
    to be superior
    to the "Pocket Office" apps included with Windows Mobile.

    Windows Mobile is designed to work like Windows so it's easier to use. Palm
    is optimized to work for the smartphone environment, so it's easier to use.



    "Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Which is better? Thanks for your help
    >






  3. #3
    Joel Kolstad
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    Re: Windows mobile OS or Palm OS??

    "Bill Marriott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Windows Mobile is multitasking; Palm is not.


    I believe the latest Palm OS does (more or less) multitask.

    > Palm uses memory sparingly; Windows Mobile eats a lot of it.


    True. Memory is pretty cheap, though.

    > There are still more apps for Palm than Windows Mobile.


    But perhaps not for long? Hard to say.

    > Windows Mobile has drivers for WiFi SD cards; Palm does not.


    I believe there's one brand of WiFi card that comes with Palm drivers? Kinda
    limiting, but at least it's there.






  4. #4
    Bill Marriott
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    Re: Windows mobile OS or Palm OS??

    > I believe the latest Palm OS does (more or less) multitask.

    Um, no not really. Or at least a lot "less" than "more." You can play pTunes
    music in the background but you'll get super-choppy sound whenever you
    actually do something like switch to the apps launcher or open a new program
    (and it's a hack).

    > True. Memory is pretty cheap, though.


    There are reports of people with very large cards -- 1G, 2G -- still running
    into memory problems because of the distinction between internal RAM and
    add-on RAM, and the way memory gets fragmented during use. No matter how
    much RAM you add to your Windows Mobile device, you're going to run into
    memory troubles.

    > I believe there's one brand of WiFi card that comes with Palm drivers?
    > Kinda limiting, but at least it's there.


    And that card would be?? There are WiFi cards that work with *certain*
    models (including Palm's own SD WiFi card). But none that work with the 700p
    smartphone. Not that WiFi is a burning need with EvDO.





  5. #5
    AZ Nomad
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    Re: Windows mobile OS or Palm OS??

    On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 02:52:28 -0500, Bill Marriott <[email protected]> wrote:


    >> I believe the latest Palm OS does (more or less) multitask.


    >Um, no not really. Or at least a lot "less" than "more." You can play pTunes
    >music in the background but you'll get super-choppy sound whenever you
    >actually do something like switch to the apps launcher or open a new program
    >(and it's a hack).


    >> True. Memory is pretty cheap, though.


    >There are reports of people with very large cards -- 1G, 2G -- still running
    >into memory problems because of the distinction between internal RAM and
    >add-on RAM, and the way memory gets fragmented during use. No matter how
    >much RAM you add to your Windows Mobile device, you're going to run into
    >memory troubles.


    Those add on cards aren't ram. RAM is fast, but volatile (meaning it will vanish
    when power is removed) memory used as 'short-term memory' to hold temporary
    results and to hold the program code and data that is ready for execution.

    Plugin flash memory cards operate more like a hard drive. They store data
    when it is finished being operated on for long term storage.



  6. #6
    Bill Marriott
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    Re: Windows mobile OS or Palm OS??

    The main thing is, you can't buy add-on cards to improve the memory
    situation on a Windows Mobile device.

    "AZ Nomad" <[email protected]moveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
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    > On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 02:52:28 -0500, Bill Marriott <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> True. Memory is pretty cheap, though.

    >
    >>There are reports of people with very large cards -- 1G, 2G -- still
    >>running
    >>into memory problems because of the distinction between internal RAM and
    >>add-on RAM, and the way memory gets fragmented during use. No matter how
    >>much RAM you add to your Windows Mobile device, you're going to run into
    >>memory troubles.

    >
    > Those add on cards aren't ram. RAM is fast, but volatile (meaning it will
    > vanish
    > when power is removed) memory used as 'short-term memory' to hold
    > temporary
    > results and to hold the program code and data that is ready for execution.
    >
    > Plugin flash memory cards operate more like a hard drive. They store data
    > when it is finished being operated on for long term storage.






  7. #7
    AZ Nomad
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    Re: Windows mobile OS or Palm OS??

    On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:26:49 -0500, Bill Marriott <[email protected]> wrote:


    >The main thing is, you can't buy add-on cards to improve the memory
    >situation on a Windows Mobile device.

    Not even wrong.

    You're still confusing RAM with flash memory.

    Add seventy gig of SD memory and you can still run out of RAM as one has
    nothing to do with the other.



  8. #8
    Ralph
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    Re: Windows mobile OS or Palm OS??

    What about viewing such apps as excel, word or powerpoint - my blacberry
    claims it can do it but spread sheets are unreadable.

    "AZ Nomad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:26:49 -0500, Bill Marriott <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>The main thing is, you can't buy add-on cards to improve the memory
    >>situation on a Windows Mobile device.

    > Not even wrong.
    >
    > You're still confusing RAM with flash memory.
    >
    > Add seventy gig of SD memory and you can still run out of RAM as one has
    > nothing to do with the other.






  9. #9
    Bill Marriott
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    Re: Windows mobile OS or Palm OS??

    I'm not confusing them at all. I said, "can't" not "can" -- in other words,
    exactly what you said in your last paragraph.

    I said Windows Mobile used a lot of memory (and didn't manage it well). Some
    other guy said that memory was cheap. My point is that you cannot improve
    the situation with an add-on card. What comes with your device is what
    you've got to work with -- and usually that's not enough on Windows Mobile.

    "AZ Nomad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:26:49 -0500, Bill Marriott <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>The main thing is, you can't buy add-on cards to improve the memory
    >>situation on a Windows Mobile device.

    > Not even wrong.
    >
    > You're still confusing RAM with flash memory.
    >
    > Add seventy gig of SD memory and you can still run out of RAM as one has
    > nothing to do with the other.






  10. #10
    Joel Kolstad
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    Re: Windows mobile OS or Palm OS??

    Hi Bill,

    "Bill Marriott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> I believe the latest Palm OS does (more or less) multitask.

    >
    > Um, no not really. Or at least a lot "less" than "more."


    I was thinking that the Palm OS 5, "Cobalt" was supposed to be able to
    multitask pretty well. I take it the 700p is running an older Palm OS?

    > There are reports of people with very large cards -- 1G, 2G -- still running
    > into memory problems because of the distinction between internal RAM and
    > add-on RAM, and the way memory gets fragmented during use.


    Soft boot regularly? :-) Not a great solution but, hey, it is Windoze...

    > No matter how much RAM you add to your Windows Mobile device, you're going
    > to run into memory troubles.


    I never have with a PPC-6700, but I only have about 400MB full on a 1GB card,
    so...

    >> I believe there's one brand of WiFi card that comes with Palm drivers?

    > And that card would be?? There are WiFi cards that work with *certain*
    > models (including Palm's own SD WiFi card). But none that work with the 700p
    > smartphone.


    I agree, I'm not aware of one for the 700p (I was thinking of the "sleds" for
    earlier models...). I don't know for certain, but I want to believe that
    getting a SDIO WiFi card is strictly a matter of software for the 700p, so
    perhaps someday one will exist.

    ---Joel





  11. #11
    Tinman
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    Re: Windows mobile OS or Palm OS??


    "Joel Kolstad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Hi Bill,
    >
    > "Bill Marriott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >>> I believe the latest Palm OS does (more or less) multitask.

    >>
    >> Um, no not really. Or at least a lot "less" than "more."

    >
    > I was thinking that the Palm OS 5, "Cobalt" was supposed to be able to
    > multitask pretty well. I take it the 700p is running an older Palm OS?


    Cobalt has never been implemented in an actual shipping device, and at this
    point I'd be surprised if it does (and it was going to be Palm OS 6.x).

    Garnet is the "current" version of Palm OS 5.x, which is what runs the Treo
    700p (and the 650/600 too). Actually, Palm OS5 has been around so long now
    (in shipping products since 2002) that its current incarnation is sometime
    referred to as FrankenGarnet.

    Within Garnet 3rd-party application multi-tasking--for all intents and
    purposes--is restricted to a sound thread. And even that performs less than
    stellar, IMO (though the 650, which has the same CPU as the 700--ditto for
    the 600--doesn't seem to stutter as much when audio is playing in the
    background).


    --
    Mike





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