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  1. #151
    Kurt
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    Re: iPhone? We don't need no steenking iPhone!

    In article <140120071914039448%[email protected]>,
    Randall Ainsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, Kurt
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Lemmings and marketing. Apple stumbled some years back and Microsoft
    > > jumped on it.

    >
    > No, they each chose different paths.


    Sculley stumbled.

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  2. #152
    Carl
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    Re: iPhone? We don't need no steenking iPhone!


    "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <140120071914039448%[email protected]>,
    > Randall Ainsworth <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> In article <[email protected]>, Kurt
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> > Lemmings and marketing. Apple stumbled some years back and Microsoft
    >> > jumped on it.

    >>
    >> No, they each chose different paths.

    >
    > Sculley stumbled.


    Apple's choices early on limited the market share it could get. If market
    share
    is youir goal, then Jobs screwed up in a number of places.

    That wasn't necessarily his goal though.








  3. #153
    Edgar
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    Re: iPhone? We don't need no steenking iPhone!

    "Randall Ainsworth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:140120071913025813%[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>, Carl
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> MS and Apple interpret the market very differently.

    >
    > For which I am thankful.
    >
    >> Many of the same things that Apple did with the Mac to make
    >> it what is it also limited the potential market share that it could
    >> achieve. Jobs was fine with that. He sacrificed market share
    >> for total control of the platform and charges a premium price
    >> for buying into his vision of what it should be.

    >
    > The price difference isn't so drastic any more.
    >
    >> I still don't understand why if someone says the iPhone isn't the
    >> ultimate
    >> achievement of mankind they are tagged as a troglodyte.

    >
    > The guy claimed that it was not innovative. There's no one else even
    > comes close.
    >


    The only true innovation is the multi touch screen. After that everything
    on the phone has been done before. Even Visual Voicemail was done by
    someone else with that exact same name (and unless they worked with the same
    company they can expect to be sued for that too). Netfront has the zoom
    feature for browsing the internet on Windows Mobile. Every Pocket PC ever
    made has basically everything else.

    I'd really like to know how this thing is innovative? Don't get me wrong
    it's cool, and will make other PPC manufacturers better themselves, for that
    I am glad.
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  4. #154
    Edgar
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    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Jeffrey Kaplan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> It is alleged that Larry claimed:
    >>>
    >>> Yes. It records, on-the-fly, anything fed to the soundcard...into
    >>> whatever format and speed you've chosen. It doesn't care what software
    >>> sent the data to the soundcard. That data simply passes through Total
    >>> Recorder's proxy engine on its way to the sound card driver. But,
    >>> because the ding-dong of your email client is being also sent on the
    >>> SAME
    >>> CHANNEL to the SAME soundcard, it will be recorded, also. Just turn
    >>> system sounds off.

    >>
    >> So then it really doesn't do anything different, at least as far as
    >> audio goes.

    >
    > Yes it does. It captures the audio stream before it even gets to your
    > audio card. It places an audio driver in front of the existing driver.
    > This eliminates any noise/artifacts that would likely be introduced if the
    > sound was first routed through the audio card itself.
    >
    > It can start recording only when an associated music player (or sound in
    > general) begins playing, automatically creating separate files--filenames
    > gleaned from the player itself--for each track. I won't get into the
    > myriad of other features it has, but suffice to say it's a far cry from
    > anything I've ever seen bundled with audio cards (and the version I have
    > easily mutes system sounds and alerts--and it's been able to do that for
    > years).
    >
    > I have barely scratched the surface as to what it can do (at least the Pro
    > version). What do have that came free/bundled with your audio card that
    > can come close to doing this?
    >
    >
    > --
    > Mike
    >


    Supposedly Vista will be getting rid of this "record what you hear"
    loophole. It's just something I heard, I haven't verified it myself.

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  5. #155
    Tinman
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    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    "Edgar" wrote:
    > "Tinman" wrote:
    >>
    >> Yes it does. It captures the audio stream before it even gets to your
    >> audio card. It places an audio driver in front of the existing driver.
    >> This eliminates any noise/artifacts that would likely be introduced if
    >> the sound was first routed through the audio card itself.
    >>

    <snip>
    >
    > Supposedly Vista will be getting rid of this "record what you hear"
    > loophole. It's just something I heard, I haven't verified it myself.


    I can use Total Record under Vista to record "what you hear" stuff ("sound
    board mode"). But that means the sound is routed through the soundcard, and
    goes from digital to analog and then from analog back to digital. Not the
    best way to record an already lossy-compressed stream. And the fancy
    read-the-title-from-the-player and other features do not work under sound
    board mode.

    Under Vista Total Recorder's audio driver is prevented from capturing the
    stream before it gets to the sound card (this provides the best recording
    possible) unless the app generating the sound is not using Direct Sound. Not
    much chance of finding a DRM-playing app under Vista that doesn't use Direct
    Sound (prolly not too many non-DRM music apps either).

    Essentially, MS--through Vista--has destroyed this application.

    Ironically, I've spent far more money on music (iTunes, etc.) since I bought
    Total Recorder Pro two-years-ago than I had in the five years prior--by a
    lot, and of course that is counting CDs too. Without Total Recorder I
    wouldn't have bothered. And will not bother should I end up with a
    Vista-only machine (that ain't gonna happen anytime soon).

    DRM: Destroy Real Money?


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  6. #156
    Edgar
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    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM


    "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Edgar" wrote:
    >> "Tinman" wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Yes it does. It captures the audio stream before it even gets to your
    >>> audio card. It places an audio driver in front of the existing driver.
    >>> This eliminates any noise/artifacts that would likely be introduced if
    >>> the sound was first routed through the audio card itself.
    >>>

    > <snip>
    >>
    >> Supposedly Vista will be getting rid of this "record what you hear"
    >> loophole. It's just something I heard, I haven't verified it myself.

    >
    > I can use Total Record under Vista to record "what you hear" stuff ("sound
    > board mode"). But that means the sound is routed through the soundcard,
    > and goes from digital to analog and then from analog back to digital. Not
    > the best way to record an already lossy-compressed stream. And the fancy
    > read-the-title-from-the-player and other features do not work under sound
    > board mode.
    >
    > Under Vista Total Recorder's audio driver is prevented from capturing the
    > stream before it gets to the sound card (this provides the best recording
    > possible) unless the app generating the sound is not using Direct Sound.
    > Not much chance of finding a DRM-playing app under Vista that doesn't use
    > Direct Sound (prolly not too many non-DRM music apps either).
    >
    > Essentially, MS--through Vista--has destroyed this application.
    >
    > Ironically, I've spent far more money on music (iTunes, etc.) since I
    > bought Total Recorder Pro two-years-ago than I had in the five years
    > prior--by a lot, and of course that is counting CDs too. Without Total
    > Recorder I wouldn't have bothered. And will not bother should I end up
    > with a Vista-only machine (that ain't gonna happen anytime soon).
    >
    > DRM: Destroy Real Money?
    >
    >
    > --
    > Mike
    >


    Thanks for the info. And of course the exact same thing will happen I'm
    sure for recording video. They aren't designing the OS for consumers
    anymore, instead for content providers.

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  7. #157
    Edgar
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    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    I just saw this article:

    http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/01...ding-in-vista/

    don't know if it is relevant to what you do, but I thought it might be.

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    Edgar
    "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> "Edgar" wrote:
    >>> "Tinman" wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> Yes it does. It captures the audio stream before it even gets to your
    >>>> audio card. It places an audio driver in front of the existing driver.
    >>>> This eliminates any noise/artifacts that would likely be introduced if
    >>>> the sound was first routed through the audio card itself.
    >>>>

    >> <snip>
    >>>
    >>> Supposedly Vista will be getting rid of this "record what you hear"
    >>> loophole. It's just something I heard, I haven't verified it myself.

    >>
    >> I can use Total Record under Vista to record "what you hear" stuff
    >> ("sound board mode"). But that means the sound is routed through the
    >> soundcard, and goes from digital to analog and then from analog back to
    >> digital. Not the best way to record an already lossy-compressed stream.
    >> And the fancy read-the-title-from-the-player and other features do not
    >> work under sound board mode.
    >>
    >> Under Vista Total Recorder's audio driver is prevented from capturing the
    >> stream before it gets to the sound card (this provides the best recording
    >> possible) unless the app generating the sound is not using Direct Sound.
    >> Not much chance of finding a DRM-playing app under Vista that doesn't use
    >> Direct Sound (prolly not too many non-DRM music apps either).
    >>
    >> Essentially, MS--through Vista--has destroyed this application.
    >>
    >> Ironically, I've spent far more money on music (iTunes, etc.) since I
    >> bought Total Recorder Pro two-years-ago than I had in the five years
    >> prior--by a lot, and of course that is counting CDs too. Without Total
    >> Recorder I wouldn't have bothered. And will not bother should I end up
    >> with a Vista-only machine (that ain't gonna happen anytime soon).
    >>
    >> DRM: Destroy Real Money?
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Mike
    >>

    >
    > Thanks for the info. And of course the exact same thing will happen I'm
    > sure for recording video. They aren't designing the OS for consumers
    > anymore, instead for content providers.
    >
    > --
    > Edgar
    >
    >
    > --
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    >




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  8. #158
    Tinman
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    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I just saw this article:
    >
    > http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/01...ding-in-vista/
    >
    > don't know if it is relevant to what you do, but I thought it might be.


    Will check it out. Thanks.


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  9. #159
    George
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    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    Edgar wrote:

    >>

    >
    > Thanks for the info. And of course the exact same thing will happen I'm
    > sure for recording video. They aren't designing the OS for consumers
    > anymore, instead for content providers.
    >

    Yeah and it seems like this guy got the right amount for his Christmas
    present:

    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070112-8609.html



  10. #160
    Larry
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    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    > Essentially, MS--through Vista--has destroyed this application.
    >


    Simply another reason to NOT buy Vista, a non-essential operating system
    that is buggy as hell with many more uses than this disabled......

    Never buy Version 1.0 of ANYTHING....

    Lots of printers will be forced to the scrap heap, which, I think, is
    another conspiracy with the hardware manufacturers. I have a really nice
    Canon jet printer Canon refuses to write an XP driver for in a stupid
    attempt to force me to buy a new printer. I did, but it will never be a
    Canon, again....damn them all.

    Larry
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  11. #161
    Verne Arase
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    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:27:57 -0600, Bucky wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    > Larry wrote:
    >> Spending $600 on ANYTHING that won't play an MP3 is really stupid.....

    >
    > are you sure the iPhone can't play mp3s? All the other iPods can play
    > mp3s, so I don't see why the iPhone wouldn't. I think only the first
    > generation iPods couldn't play mp3s.


    Hmmph ... my first generation iPod played mp3s ... in fact, it greatly
    preceded aacs and wasn't firmware updated to accept them until much later.




  12. #162
    Verne Arase
    Guest

    Re: Apple iPhone is GSM

    On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:26:11 -0600, Bucky wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    > Although I personally don't own an iPod, I'm pretty sure they play mp3s
    > natively. You're not the only person to think that iPod's don't play
    > mp3s, I've had other friends with that misconception too. Although part
    > of the blame can be placed on apple, the first generation could not,
    > and that stigma stuck with them. Also due to the fact that apple
    > probably downplays the fact that they play mp3s, so that people will
    > buy songs from iTunes.


    You know, the first gen iPods preceded the iTunes music store.

    If it didn't play mp3s, what the heck do you think it played? AIFFs?

    I remember using the lame encoder to create music for it because it did a
    slightly better job than iTunes. I'm not sure that the first gen (at it's
    initial firmware level) successfully decoded vbr mp3s.

    What it didn't do (and probably never will) is WMAs <big surprise>.




  13. #163
    Balsof Steele
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    Re: iPhone? We don't need no steenking iPhone!

    Randall Ainsworth wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, Carl
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> What I don't understand is why the MacTribe seems to think it's impossible
    >> for Apple to make any mistake. They do a lot of great things but they're
    >> not perfect.

    >
    > They're still far better than Microsoft.


    "better" at what, exactly?

    I think Steve Jobs is better at locating LSD than Bill Gates...




  14. #164
    Kevin Weaver
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    Re: iPhone? We don't need no steenking iPhone!

    With all the money Bill Gates has, They deliver it. No need to look for
    it.


    Balsof Steele wrote:
    > Randall Ainsworth wrote:
    >> In article <[email protected]>, Carl
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> What I don't understand is why the MacTribe seems to think it's
    >>> impossible for Apple to make any mistake. They do a lot of great
    >>> things but they're not perfect.

    >>
    >> They're still far better than Microsoft.

    >
    > "better" at what, exactly?
    >
    > I think Steve Jobs is better at locating LSD than Bill Gates...
    >




  15. #165
    Randall Ainsworth
    Guest

    Re: iPhone? We don't need no steenking iPhone!

    In article <[email protected]>, Balsof Steele
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "better" at what, exactly?
    >
    > I think Steve Jobs is better at locating LSD than Bill Gates...


    OK, let mom have her e-Machine back now.



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