Make them say "It's the Network"!

At 27 Aug 2007 11:01:36 -0700 Jim Dubya wrote:
> Verizon doesn't work at my house or office. Sprint gets full
signal. Explain
> that.


Neither Verizon nor Cingular work at my house, yet T-Mo, Sprint and
Nextel do. I'm not naive enough to think that "proves" who has
better coverage nationwide, however!



--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

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Traveling Man wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700, Jim Dubya wrote:
>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have this
>> problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's the
>> Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.
>
> Hmm. My experience is exactly opposite. Co-workers traveling with me and
> another field guy with VZW frequently had to borrow our phones to call the
> factory.

I always enjoyed it when my Sprint friend had to ask me for my Verizon
phone to connect to a number for more than three or four seconds at a
time.

I do note that people in other parts of the country say that Sprint works
well in those parts. I note also that it's been a couple of years since
I've known anyone with Sprint; things might have changed. But then, I
might have overlooked a billion dollar deposit to my checking account,
too.

--
Tiger Direct forcibly checking receipts?
http://tinyurl.com/2hz3ht

At 27 Aug 2007 11:00:42 -0700 Jim Dubya wrote:

> How can it be better than sprint when sprint will roam on verizon,
alltel
> and many other cell service providers? That doesn't make any sense
to me.


Sprint phones won't roam if a Sprint signal is also available,
regardless of how crummy the Sprint signal is, or how strong the
roaming signal is. This results in Sprint working in many places,
but not always particularly well in many of them, as it will eschew
the stronger Verizon or Alltel coverage for their own weaker signal.
An effect that gives Sprint "the best coverage on paper" of all
national carriers yet results in disappointment for many of it's
actual users.

Disclaimer: I'm not a Sprint or Verizon customer- I use T-Mo, the
carrier with the undisputed weakest coverage of national carriers,
and it's good enough for my needs! I'd take Sprint over Verizon
personally for reasons of data costs, but I don't have to think my
carrier is the absolute best at everything to make it through the
day! Or, in language YOU might understand, Dubya,- I drank the T-Mo
Kool-aid, realized they forgot to put sugar in it, but swallowed
anyway because it was cheaper! ;-)


--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.sprintpcs.]
On 2007-08-27, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:


> Sprint phones won't roam if a Sprint signal is also available,

Similar to the situation with Verizon. If there's any chance you can get
the most miniscule signal from Verizon, the phone will not roam. In my
experience, that's been true of VZ, Sprint, and T-Mo (three of the four
carriers I've used since 1999) and is probably true of other carriers also.


--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield

At 27 Aug 2007 22:16:27 +0000 Steve Sobol wrote:

> Similar to the situation with Verizon. If there's any chance you
can get
> the most miniscule signal from Verizon, the phone will not roam. In
my
> experience, that's been true of VZ, Sprint, and T-Mo (three of the
four
> carriers I've used since 1999) and is probably true of other
carriers also.


True- I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I wasjust answering the
question why Sprint could have wrse coverage than Verizon if they can
also roam on Verizon.

T-Mo, for example, has better coverage in rural Nebraska than in
Omaha because they have NO native coverage in rural Nebraska and rely
on roaming. Their native Omaha coverage stinks, and they don't allow
roaming in the Omaha metro because they offer native coverage there!
(Apparently no one has told T-Mo that Omaha has expanded westward in
the last fifteen years, and what once was farmland is now a bustling
residential and commercial area!)




--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

"Jim Dubya" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> How can it be better than sprint when sprint will roam on verizon,
> alltel and many other cell service providers? That doesn't make any
> sense to me.
>
>

It doesn't have to make sense on alt.cellular groups. Think of it as 8
little boys sitting in a sand box bragging about which toy truck is
better that his mates. Same idea.

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Here's something I hadn't noticed before. Go here:
http://alltel.com/personal/wireless/...ndividual.html
Click on "North American Freedom" plan. Alltel is branching out!

"North American FreedomSM provides additional value for traveling to or
calling other countries within North America. In addition to National
Freedom coverage at home, the plans also include no roaming for package
and off-peak minutes in Canada, Mexico, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin
Islands. You can also call from the U.S. to those countries toll-free!
You also get unlimited Mobile-to-Mobile and My Circle calling from the
U.S. coverage area."

Wasn't someone looking for coverage in Puerto Rico on here not long ago??

http://alltel.com/docs/MexicoCityList.pdf
800 Mexican cities already covered. I didn't know there were that many
in Mexico!

I think Alltel's getting ready to cover the new North American Union that
Bush-Fox-and the Canadian PM quietly signed an agreement to form without
asking the people of any of the countries. Payment will simply switch to
the Amero at the appropriate time of rollout. We, of course, won't be
asked if we want to consolidate the three countries....

It's why the US Gummit isn't arresting illegal aliens. They'll all be
automatic members of the NAU and can live where they are, anyways.



Larry
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:11:16 -0600, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

>At 27 Aug 2007 11:00:42 -0700 Jim Dubya wrote:
>
>> How can it be better than sprint when sprint will roam on verizon,
>alltel
>> and many other cell service providers? That doesn't make any sense
>to me.
>
>
>Sprint phones won't roam if a Sprint signal is also available,
>regardless of how crummy the Sprint signal is, or how strong the
>roaming signal is. This results in Sprint working in many places,
>but not always particularly well in many of them, as it will eschew
>the stronger Verizon or Alltel coverage for their own weaker signal.
>An effect that gives Sprint "the best coverage on paper" of all
>national carriers yet results in disappointment for many of it's
>actual users.
>
>Disclaimer: I'm not a Sprint or Verizon customer- I use T-Mo, the
>carrier with the undisputed weakest coverage of national carriers,
>and it's good enough for my needs! I'd take Sprint over Verizon
>personally for reasons of data costs, but I don't have to think my
>carrier is the absolute best at everything to make it through the
>day! Or, in language YOU might understand, Dubya,- I drank the T-Mo
>Kool-aid, realized they forgot to put sugar in it, but swallowed
>anyway because it was cheaper! ;-)


Sprint phones can be forced to roam regardless of the strength of the
available Sprint signal. To keep on getting free roaming with Sprint
you have to use more than half of your anytime minutes on the Sprint
network, but aside from that it seems like Sprint is the best of both
worlds.

At 27 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700 wrote:

> Sprint phones can be forced to roam regardless of the strength of
the
> available Sprint signal. To keep on getting free roaming with
Sprint
> you have to use more than half of your anytime minutes on the Sprint
> network, but aside from that it seems like Sprint is the best of
both
> worlds.


Interesting. I knew that older Sprint phones worked that way, but I
thought they "fixed" that in recent years.

Thanks for the heads-up!


--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:s%[email protected]...
> At 27 Aug 2007 11:00:42 -0700 Jim Dubya wrote:
>
>> How can it be better than sprint when sprint will roam on verizon,
> alltel
>> and many other cell service providers? That doesn't make any sense
> to me.
>
>
> Sprint phones won't roam if a Sprint signal is also available,
> regardless of how crummy the Sprint signal is, or how strong the
> roaming signal is. This results in Sprint working in many places,
> but not always particularly well in many of them, as it will eschew
> the stronger Verizon or Alltel coverage for their own weaker signal.
> An effect that gives Sprint "the best coverage on paper" of all
> national carriers yet results in disappointment for many of it's
> actual users.
>
> Disclaimer: I'm not a Sprint or Verizon customer- I use T-Mo, the
> carrier with the undisputed weakest coverage of national carriers,
> and it's good enough for my needs! I'd take Sprint over Verizon
> personally for reasons of data costs, but I don't have to think my
> carrier is the absolute best at everything to make it through the
> day! Or, in language YOU might understand, Dubya,- I drank the T-Mo
> Kool-aid, realized they forgot to put sugar in it, but swallowed
> anyway because it was cheaper! ;-)
>

Todd,

You sre only somewhat correct. Sprint phones have the ability to "force
roaming" mode. In other words, here is southern california, if I want to use
verizon, all that I have to do is to go into the "roaming menu" and set the
phone to roaming mode. It will ignore the sprint signal even if I am right
next to a sprint tower. That is why sprint is so cool. If I don't like the
sprint signal I can force roaming. No other cell phone service provider
allows you to do that. You certainly can't do it with Verizon and I know
that the GSM providers don't offer that option wither.

Can you please pass me a glass of T-Mo Kool-aid and a pack of Splenda? You
know, the yellow package that tastes like sugar. :-)

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>> Sprint phones won't roam if a Sprint signal is also available,
>>
>> Similar to the situation with Verizon. If there's any chance you can
>> get the most miniscule signal from Verizon, the phone will not roam.
>> In my experience, that's been true of VZ, Sprint, and T-Mo (three of
>> the four carriers I've used since 1999) and is probably true of other
>> carriers also.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steve Sobol
>
> Verizon won't roam onto Sprint or Alltel in Charleston, SC, no matter if
> it says NO SERVICE on the Verizon phone. Verizon owners are easy to spot
> at WalMart in the Oakbrook shopping district of Summerville. They're the
> ones angrily shaking their phones blinking red 1/8th mile from the Sprint
> tower on PCS they're not allowed to use.
>
> I always give them an Alltel referral card with my info filled in when I
> let them use my Alltel phone at Wally World. Worked great! I got THREE
> $25 credits so far!
>
> "Can you hear me now?"....Yes, they can hear him at Walmart because the
> little **** is STANDING OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT where the temperature
> is 120F in a stupid JACKET!
>
> Larry
> --
> Alltel's guy wears long sleeve shirts to cover his needle tracks...(c;
> .....all summer long......

Yup, that is my case and point. But Sprint users can just go into the menu
and set their phone to permanent roaming if they want. I do it everywhile
just for the fun of it, but usually go back to using the native sprint
service because it is better here in southern california.

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Jim Dubya" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> How can it be better than sprint when sprint will roam on verizon,
>> alltel and many other cell service providers? That doesn't make any
>> sense to me.
>>
>>
>
> It doesn't have to make sense on alt.cellular groups. Think of it as 8
> little boys sitting in a sand box bragging about which toy truck is
> better that his mates. Same idea.
>

I am the biggest little boy and my toy truck can smash your toy truck!

<Jack Ketch> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:11:16 -0600, Todd Allcock
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>At 27 Aug 2007 11:00:42 -0700 Jim Dubya wrote:
>>
>>> How can it be better than sprint when sprint will roam on verizon,
>>alltel
>>> and many other cell service providers? That doesn't make any sense
>>to me.
>>
>>
>>Sprint phones won't roam if a Sprint signal is also available,
>>regardless of how crummy the Sprint signal is, or how strong the
>>roaming signal is. This results in Sprint working in many places,
>>but not always particularly well in many of them, as it will eschew
>>the stronger Verizon or Alltel coverage for their own weaker signal.
>>An effect that gives Sprint "the best coverage on paper" of all
>>national carriers yet results in disappointment for many of it's
>>actual users.
>>
>>Disclaimer: I'm not a Sprint or Verizon customer- I use T-Mo, the
>>carrier with the undisputed weakest coverage of national carriers,
>>and it's good enough for my needs! I'd take Sprint over Verizon
>>personally for reasons of data costs, but I don't have to think my
>>carrier is the absolute best at everything to make it through the
>>day! Or, in language YOU might understand, Dubya,- I drank the T-Mo
>>Kool-aid, realized they forgot to put sugar in it, but swallowed
>>anyway because it was cheaper! ;-)
>
>
> Sprint phones can be forced to roam regardless of the strength of the
> available Sprint signal. To keep on getting free roaming with Sprint
> you have to use more than half of your anytime minutes on the Sprint
> network, but aside from that it seems like Sprint is the best of both
> worlds.

Amen Sprint Brother! Thanks for telling the truth because the guys here
probably wouldnt have believed me. Anyway, I will have another glass of
Sprint Kool-aid. It is pre-sweetened and therefore you don't need to add
sugar. It's just good to the last drop! :-)

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At 27 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700 wrote:
>
>> Sprint phones can be forced to roam regardless of the strength of
> the
>> available Sprint signal. To keep on getting free roaming with
> Sprint
>> you have to use more than half of your anytime minutes on the Sprint
>> network, but aside from that it seems like Sprint is the best of
> both
>> worlds.
>
>
> Interesting. I knew that older Sprint phones worked that way, but I
> thought they "fixed" that in recent years.
>
> Thanks for the heads-up!
>
>
> --
That is a feature of sprint.

"Jim Dubya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> <Jack Ketch> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:11:16 -0600, Todd Allcock
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>At 27 Aug 2007 11:00:42 -0700 Jim Dubya wrote:
>>>
>>>> How can it be better than sprint when sprint will roam on verizon,
>>>alltel
>>>> and many other cell service providers? That doesn't make any sense
>>>to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sprint phones won't roam if a Sprint signal is also available,
>>>regardless of how crummy the Sprint signal is, or how strong the
>>>roaming signal is. This results in Sprint working in many places,
>>>but not always particularly well in many of them, as it will eschew
>>>the stronger Verizon or Alltel coverage for their own weaker signal.
>>>An effect that gives Sprint "the best coverage on paper" of all
>>>national carriers yet results in disappointment for many of it's
>>>actual users.
>>>
>>>Disclaimer: I'm not a Sprint or Verizon customer- I use T-Mo, the
>>>carrier with the undisputed weakest coverage of national carriers,
>>>and it's good enough for my needs! I'd take Sprint over Verizon
>>>personally for reasons of data costs, but I don't have to think my
>>>carrier is the absolute best at everything to make it through the
>>>day! Or, in language YOU might understand, Dubya,- I drank the T-Mo
>>>Kool-aid, realized they forgot to put sugar in it, but swallowed
>>>anyway because it was cheaper! ;-)
>>
>>
>> Sprint phones can be forced to roam regardless of the strength of the
>> available Sprint signal. To keep on getting free roaming with Sprint
>> you have to use more than half of your anytime minutes on the Sprint
>> network, but aside from that it seems like Sprint is the best of both
>> worlds.
>
> Amen Sprint Brother! Thanks for telling the truth because the guys here
> probably wouldnt have believed me. Anyway, I will have another glass of
> Sprint Kool-aid. It is pre-sweetened and therefore you don't need to add
> sugar. It's just good to the last drop! :-)
>

"Jim Dubya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Verizon doesn't work at my house or office. Sprint gets full signal.
> Explain that.
>
> "Pegleg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:33:29 -1000, "Hertz_Donut"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I am now using Verizon.
>>>
>>>Of the three, Verizon is the best for those who travel.
>>>It is head and shoulders above Sprint.
>>
>> I agree completely...my wife and I travel extensively to many parts of
>> the country and have never been disappointed with our Verizon coverage,
>
>

It could be any number of things:

1. The Sprint tower is nearer to your house.
2. The Verizon phone you had was not one that was good for reception.
3. The Verizon phone was not using an update PRL that gave you ability to
connect to the tower in your area.

At any rate, I stand by my claim....Verizon is *FAR* better than Sprint, in
network and customer service and support.

Honu