Make them say "It's the Network"!

"Jim Dubya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> How can it be better than sprint when sprint will roam on verizon, alltel
> and many other cell service providers? That doesn't make any sense to me.
>
> "Hertz_Donut" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Jim Dubya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have
>>> Verizon, there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because
>>> they either can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever
>>> they have this problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them
>>> say "It's the Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make
>>> their call.
>>>
>>> I make them say "It's the Network" because they are drinking so much
>>> Verizon Kool-Aid that they just can't belive that their phone can't make
>>> a call or is dropping the call. Sometimes they are so brainwashed that
>>> they even try to blame the dropped call on the landline phone of the
>>> person that they are talking with!! Can you believe that?!
>>
>> I think perhaps it is you that has been drinking the kool-aid.
>>
>> I travel extensively, more than 200 days out of the year. I have had the
>> distinct
>> displeasure of having Sprint.
>>
>> I have also used T-mobile.
>>
>> I am now using Verizon.
>>
>> Of the three, Verizon is the best for those who travel.
>> It is head and shoulders above Sprint.
>>
>> There should be a law prohibiting comparing the two.
>>
>> Simply put, Verizon is the carrier that Sprint wants to be when it grows
>> up...
>>
>> Honu
>>
>>
>>
>
>

I use my phone literally all over the U.S., and I rarely have to roam.

With my Sprint, it roamed extensively and often would not work at all.

Even T-Mobile was better than Sprint.

Verizon is much better than either T-Mobile or Sprint.

Honu

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At 27 Aug 2007 22:21:12 -0700 Jim Dubya wrote:
>

> You sre only somewhat correct. Sprint phones have the ability to
"force
> roaming" mode.

As I'd said, I thought Sprint got rid of that long ago. It's a
powerful feature.

> No other cell phone service provider
> allows you to do that. You certainly can't do it with Verizon and I
know
> that the GSM providers don't offer that option wither.


Actually it's a standard GSM feature. The caviat, of course, is that
you can only roam on carriers you're allowed to roam on. But I can
force a manual selection if an allowed carrier is available. I
sometimes force a selection if the phone selects a roaming carrier
that doesn't offer data so I can get e-mail.

To prevent this, GSM carriers sometime remove the manual carrier
selection menu from thir branded phones. I have a few unlocked
Cingular Nokias that are "missing" that particular menu.

> Can you please pass me a glass of T-Mo Kool-aid and a pack of
Splenda? You
> know, the yellow package that tastes like sugar. :-)


You bet.

--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

Agent_C wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700, "Jim Dubya" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call.
> <snip>
>
> You're completely full of ****.
>
> A_C
>

Ha ha ha I tried sprint for about 2 weeks several years ago. It was
incredibly bad on all accounts. CS was bad beyond belief.

"Hertz_Donut" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Jim Dubya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Verizon doesn't work at my house or office. Sprint gets full signal.
>> Explain that.
>>
>> "Pegleg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:33:29 -1000, "Hertz_Donut"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am now using Verizon.
>>>>
>>>>Of the three, Verizon is the best for those who travel.
>>>>It is head and shoulders above Sprint.
>>>
>>> I agree completely...my wife and I travel extensively to many parts of
>>> the country and have never been disappointed with our Verizon coverage,
>>
>>
>
> It could be any number of things:
>
> 1. The Sprint tower is nearer to your house.
> 2. The Verizon phone you had was not one that was good for reception.
> 3. The Verizon phone was not using an update PRL that gave you ability to
> connect to the tower in your area.
>
> At any rate, I stand by my claim....Verizon is *FAR* better than Sprint,
> in network and customer service and support.
>
> Honu
>
Verizon sent a a technicial to evaluate the signal quality in my
neighborhood. They contacted me and told me that they could not provide
reliable service in my neighborhood because the signal was too low. They
also terminated me as a customer and waived the ETF because they couldn't
provide reliable service. That is when I switched to Sprint.

BTW: I don't understand how you can say that Verizon is better than Sprint.
I can go into the Roaming Menu on my Sprint Phone and set the phone to
"Roaming Mode". It will roam on Verizon reglardless of whether I have a
Sprint signal. Therefore, I have the best of both worlds. Verizon phones
cannot roam on Sprint and cannot be forced into roaming mode at all. They
will appempt to hold-on to a Verizon signal even if that signal is unusable.
Does that make sense?

"It's the Network!"

>

> I use my phone literally all over the U.S., and I rarely have to roam.
>
> With my Sprint, it roamed extensively and often would not work at all.
>
> Even T-Mobile was better than Sprint.
>
> Verizon is much better than either T-Mobile or Sprint.
>
> Honu

HOw long ago have you used Sprint? The folks in the company that I work for
have many Sprint phones and have never been in a situation where Verizon
worked and Sprint didn't work. Remember the Sprint phone can be placed into
roaming mode and will roam on Verizon if I want it to.

Think about that for a while before hitting "reply".

I will admit Sprint CS is bad beyond belief. In fact, they are beyond
worst!! On the other hand, you never have to call CS because the Sprint
network is so good that it just works. I can also force roaming mode anytime
that I like. Therefore with the ability to force roaming mode, I have more
options available to me than a Verizon user. Take note Verizon users: "I can
force my phone to roam on Verizon if I want to". This is a very powerful
feature.

Believe me I was a Verizon user for 10 years before being forced to switch
to Sprint because Verizon could not provide signal to my home in Orange
County California or to my office in Carlsbad California, Sprint has full
signal strength in both areas! "Can you hear me now?" It definitely is "the
network".




"Gareth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Agent_C wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700, "Jim Dubya" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have
>>> Verizon, there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because
>>> they either can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call.
>> <snip>
>>
>> You're completely full of ****.
>>
>> A_C
>>
>
> Ha ha ha I tried sprint for about 2 weeks several years ago. It was
> incredibly bad on all accounts. CS was bad beyond belief.

Jim Dubya wrote:
> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have this
> problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's the
> Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.

I'm sure it's possible that there is someplace where Sprint works that
Verizon doesn't, but it's very very rare. Look at the results for all
the independent surveys on coverage and quality, and Verizon is almost
always the top network.

In the San Francisco Bay Area and in Southern California, Sprint is a
joke, with large coverage gaps even in urban and suburban areas. Part of
the problem is that Sprint's cells are at 1900 MHz which results in much
poorer indoor coverage.

One advantage of Sprint is that they often allow roaming onto Verizon
even in areas where Sprint has a network, though not always. The reverse
is usually not true, Verizon won't allow roaming onto Sprint if Verizon
has a network in that area.

In the western region anyway, Verizon has better coverage than Sprint
(and T-Mobile and AT&T) by a huge margin. Back east Sprint is pretty
good except in a few places like the Washington DC Metro where Verizon
is the only carrier to pay to install coverage in the underground portion.

"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jim Dubya wrote:
>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have
>> this problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's
>> the Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.
>
> I'm sure it's possible that there is someplace where Sprint works that
> Verizon doesn't, but it's very very rare. Look at the results for all the
> independent surveys on coverage and quality, and Verizon is almost always
> the top network.
>
> In the San Francisco Bay Area and in Southern California, Sprint is a
> joke, with large coverage gaps even in urban and suburban areas. Part of
> the problem is that Sprint's cells are at 1900 MHz which results in much
> poorer indoor coverage.
>
> One advantage of Sprint is that they often allow roaming onto Verizon even
> in areas where Sprint has a network, though not always. The reverse is
> usually not true, Verizon won't allow roaming onto Sprint if Verizon has a
> network in that area.
>
> In the western region anyway, Verizon has better coverage than Sprint (and
> T-Mobile and AT&T) by a huge margin. Back east Sprint is pretty good
> except in a few places like the Washington DC Metro where Verizon is the
> only carrier to pay to install coverage in the underground portion.

Your response is not correct. Sprint coverage in Southern California
LA/Orange/Riverside counties is as good as or better than Verizon. Sprint
allows users to force roaming when ever they desire to do so. Even if there
is a Sprint signal, you can force your phone to roam on another carrier.
That is a very good option! Verizon will not roam even if there is a low
Verizon signal that cuases you to drop calls. At least with Sprint, I can
choose.

The purpose of my posts is to hopefully get folks off their high-horse
regarding Verizon. It is all marketing and Verizon has done a great job and
I congratulate them. In many areas, Sprint is better, Cingular is better, or
T-Mobile is better.

The only cell phone service that is "the best" is the one that works the
best where you live, travel, work and play. That will not always be Verizon.
In my case, I was a Verizon customer for 10 years and Verizon does not work
in my area of Orange County California or at myt office in Carlsbad
California. Sprint provides full signal in those locations and Congular is
also pretty good. It is interesting that Verizon is so weak in this
technology park in Carlsbad California. Also, please don't try to tell me
that 1900 Mhz can't compete. 1900 Mhz is just as good as 800 MHz if it is
deployed properly. A prime example of this in the GSM 1800 MHz network in
England. It is deployed properly and is as good or better than Verizon's USA
CDMA network.

I rest my case and will have another glass of Sprint pre-sweetened Kool-aid.
:-)

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On 2007-08-28, Jim Dubya <[email protected]> wrote:
> I will admit Sprint CS is bad beyond belief.

That was my experience. It sucked ass. Best phones, best data plans,
best network where they have coverage (and they've done a lot of improvement
in that area over the years), coupled with a bunch of asshole third-world
flunkie idiots that don't care about accurate answers or decent customer
service.

CS is the only thing I couldn't stand about Sprint when I left them in '05.

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield

Gareth wrote:
> Agent_C wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700, "Jim Dubya" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have
>>> Verizon, there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone
>>> because they either can't get a signal or they keep dropping the
>>> call.
>> <snip>
>>
>> You're completely full of ****.
>>
>> A_C
>>
>
> Ha ha ha I tried sprint for about 2 weeks several years ago. It was
> incredibly bad on all accounts. CS was bad beyond belief.

I think the funniest was I used to work for sprint (in overland park KS),
and even though we had free sprint phones, myself and my coworkers also
carried verizon ones cuz they worked better!

Jim Dubya presented the following explanation :
> "Hertz_Donut" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Jim Dubya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Verizon doesn't work at my house or office. Sprint gets full signal.
>>> Explain that.
>>>
>>> "Pegleg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:33:29 -1000, "Hertz_Donut"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I am now using Verizon.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of the three, Verizon is the best for those who travel.
>>>>>It is head and shoulders above Sprint.
>>>>
>>>> I agree completely...my wife and I travel extensively to many parts of
>>>> the country and have never been disappointed with our Verizon coverage,
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It could be any number of things:
>>
>> 1. The Sprint tower is nearer to your house.
>> 2. The Verizon phone you had was not one that was good for reception.
>> 3. The Verizon phone was not using an update PRL that gave you ability to
>> connect to the tower in your area.
>>
>> At any rate, I stand by my claim....Verizon is *FAR* better than Sprint,
>> in network and customer service and support.
>>
>> Honu
>>
> Verizon sent a a technicial to evaluate the signal quality in my
> neighborhood. They contacted me and told me that they could not provide
> reliable service in my neighborhood because the signal was too low. They
> also terminated me as a customer and waived the ETF because they couldn't
> provide reliable service. That is when I switched to Sprint.
>
> BTW: I don't understand how you can say that Verizon is better than Sprint.
> I can go into the Roaming Menu on my Sprint Phone and set the phone to
> "Roaming Mode". It will roam on Verizon reglardless of whether I have a
> Sprint signal. Therefore, I have the best of both worlds. Verizon phones
> cannot roam on Sprint and cannot be forced into roaming mode at all. They
> will appempt to hold-on to a Verizon signal even if that signal is unusable.
> Does that make sense?
>
> "It's the Network!"
>
>>

Why don't you just set the roaming indicator on your newsreader to
another group. You are just so wonderful that you can set the roaming
indicator on your Sprint phone to roam. You've said it over and over
again.

On 2007-08-28, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
> The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> > I have to wonder, if you are so unhappy with VZW, why were you with
>> them for ten years?
>
> If he is like a lot of us Jim Dubya is a creature of habit and most
> firms depend on that. Not so much loyalty as not wanting change!
> But then that is just my opinion and not necessarily correct either.

I'm trying to figure out if "Jim Dubya" is Mij Adyaw. Mij lives in Orange
County and has had no success getting Verizon to work out there.

Might be two different people. Mij lives in Laguna Niguel, I think, Jim
doesn't, and Jim sounds much more trollish than Mij ever has.

Why is it that I have to repeat myself OVER AND OVER that different carriers
work better in different parts of the country?!

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield

"Jim Dubya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>> I use my phone literally all over the U.S., and I rarely have to roam.
>>
>> With my Sprint, it roamed extensively and often would not work at all.
>>
>> Even T-Mobile was better than Sprint.
>>
>> Verizon is much better than either T-Mobile or Sprint.
>>
>> Honu
>
> HOw long ago have you used Sprint? The folks in the company that I work
> for have many Sprint phones and have never been in a situation where
> Verizon worked and Sprint didn't work. Remember the Sprint phone can be
> placed into roaming mode and will roam on Verizon if I want it to.
>
> Think about that for a while before hitting "reply".
>

I had Sprint for four years. Lousy reception...even worse customer service.

Honu

"Jim Dubya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>> I use my phone literally all over the U.S., and I rarely have to roam.
>>
>> With my Sprint, it roamed extensively and often would not work at all.
>>
>> Even T-Mobile was better than Sprint.
>>
>> Verizon is much better than either T-Mobile or Sprint.
>>
>> Honu
>
> HOw long ago have you used Sprint? The folks in the company that I work
> for have many Sprint phones and have never been in a situation where
> Verizon worked and Sprint didn't work. Remember the Sprint phone can be
> placed into roaming mode and will roam on Verizon if I want it to.
>
> Think about that for a while before hitting "reply".
>

Your post also indicates that Verizon has signals where Sprint does not.
You claim that you roam on Verizon. That does not say much for Sprint.
Why not just drop Sprint and go with Verizon?

Honu

"Jim Dubya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Hertz_Donut" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Jim Dubya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Verizon doesn't work at my house or office. Sprint gets full signal.
>>> Explain that.
>>>
>>> "Pegleg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:33:29 -1000, "Hertz_Donut"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I am now using Verizon.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of the three, Verizon is the best for those who travel.
>>>>>It is head and shoulders above Sprint.
>>>>
>>>> I agree completely...my wife and I travel extensively to many parts of
>>>> the country and have never been disappointed with our Verizon coverage,
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It could be any number of things:
>>
>> 1. The Sprint tower is nearer to your house.
>> 2. The Verizon phone you had was not one that was good for reception.
>> 3. The Verizon phone was not using an update PRL that gave you ability
>> to connect to the tower in your area.
>>
>> At any rate, I stand by my claim....Verizon is *FAR* better than Sprint,
>> in network and customer service and support.
>>
>> Honu
>>
> Verizon sent a a technicial to evaluate the signal quality in my
> neighborhood. They contacted me and told me that they could not provide
> reliable service in my neighborhood because the signal was too low. They
> also terminated me as a customer and waived the ETF because they couldn't
> provide reliable service. That is when I switched to Sprint.
>
> BTW: I don't understand how you can say that Verizon is better than
> Sprint. I can go into the Roaming Menu on my Sprint Phone and set the
> phone to "Roaming Mode". It will roam on Verizon reglardless of whether I
> have a Sprint signal. Therefore, I have the best of both worlds. Verizon
> phones cannot roam on Sprint and cannot be forced into roaming mode at
> all. They will appempt to hold-on to a Verizon signal even if that signal
> is unusable. Does that make sense?
>
> "It's the Network!"
>
>>
>
>

Simple; I *NEVER* have to roam with my Verizon phone. I had to frequently
roam when I was with Sprint.
You make a big deal about roaming, which indicates that coverage from Sprint
sucks where you are (as it does in mist places).
So you admit that you are using other carrier's signals and seem to think
that it makes your phone better because you have to
roam.

For your information, Verizon phones roam just fine. Like your phone, you
have to set them to do so. You continue to falsely claim
that Verizon phones will not roam, which is completely false.

Honu