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  1. #1
    Oxford
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    Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > If you people don't want an iPhone, and hate them so much, why are you
    > > all going out of your way to try and dismiss them as garbage? Just don't
    > > get one and enjoy whatever phone you have and move on.

    >
    > I'm not, but I'm really sick and ****ing tired of people posting all the
    > iPhone crap in newsgroups dedicated to CARRIERS WHOSE NETWORKS THE iPHONE
    > WON'T EVEN RUN ON.


    yes, steve... but you need to learn to deal with it. when Apple enters a
    market, it will take over that market. do you use a PC? yes or you
    wouldn't be posting a reply. you have apple to thank for that. ever used
    a font on a laser or inkjet printer? you have apple to thank for that.
    ever use the world wide web? you have steve jobs to thank for that? and
    on and on... basically your understanding of what the iphone is... IS
    naive.

    you will use an iPhone or a cheap clone of it in 10 years, the iPhone
    makes all other cell phones obsolete.... so might as well learn about
    what we are talking about now.

    > Alt.cellular.cingular, OK. Alt.cellular.tmobile, OK, at least it's the
    > same technology. .verizon, .sprintpcs, .alltel - come on, those customers
    > couldn't use a GSM iPhone even if it was unlocked. I've seen posts in all
    > of those newsgroups. .nokia? Why? So some drooling Apple fanboy can tell us
    > all how much Nokia sucks?


    they are still cell phone companies and will be greatly impacted by the
    iPhone. Nokia is most at risk, expect them to fade away in 10-15 years.
    There is no way they can compete against Apple, they just don't have the
    resources to build fine quality, tiny phones. they just don't have the
    experience or depth of knowledge that Apple has in this area.

    > My take is that the iPhone is cool. I wouldn't buy one, but I can understand
    > why other people might. But several newsgroups have been overrun by iPhone
    > posts. It's obnoxious. Go away already; many (most?) of us don't care.


    Ah, but the iPhone has only been out for 120 days and still in Version
    1, there will be a series of about 20 more models over the next 5 years,
    so at some point you'll understand what we are talking about and join in
    the party. Until then, you can complain all you want, but the iPhone
    will grow and grow until it takes over the entire cell industry.

    -



    See More: iPhone bricks - more info




  2. #2

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info

    On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:15:16 -0600, Oxford <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> > If you people don't want an iPhone, and hate them so much, why are you
    >> > all going out of your way to try and dismiss them as garbage? Just don't
    >> > get one and enjoy whatever phone you have and move on.

    >>
    >> I'm not, but I'm really sick and ****ing tired of people posting all the
    >> iPhone crap in newsgroups dedicated to CARRIERS WHOSE NETWORKS THE iPHONE
    >> WON'T EVEN RUN ON.

    >
    >yes, steve... but you need to learn to deal with it. when Apple enters a
    >market, it will take over that market. do you use a PC? yes or you
    >wouldn't be posting a reply. you have apple to thank for that. ever used
    >a font on a laser or inkjet printer? you have apple to thank for that.
    >ever use the world wide web? you have steve jobs to thank for that? and
    >on and on... basically your understanding of what the iphone is... IS
    >naive.
    >
    >you will use an iPhone or a cheap clone of it in 10 years, the iPhone
    >makes all other cell phones obsolete.... so might as well learn about
    >what we are talking about now.


    The Apple iPhone runs great on WiFi, now with ever easier availability
    of free WiFi. It was Apple that first put 802.11 wireless
    networking/Internet into their computers as standard, using Lucent
    technology then and now called "Airport". My 7 year old Pismo laptop
    still works great; try and find a working 7 year old Compaq laptop.


    Apple was first with Sony's 3 1/2 floppy disks in 1984

    and first with Office networked desktop computers also in 1984.

    The overpriced Lisa doesn't count




    As much as Apple's Laser Writer in 1986 pushed the envelope
    for shared Laser Printers that did more than Courier font,
    I thought Adobe had something to do with fonts.
    >
    >> Alt.cellular.cingular, OK. Alt.cellular.tmobile, OK, at least it's the
    >> same technology. .verizon, .sprintpcs, .alltel - come on, those customers
    >> couldn't use a GSM iPhone even if it was unlocked. I've seen posts in all
    >> of those newsgroups. .nokia? Why? So some drooling Apple fanboy can tell us
    >> all how much Nokia sucks?

    >
    >they are still cell phone companies and will be greatly impacted by the
    >iPhone. Nokia is most at risk, expect them to fade away in 10-15 years.
    >There is no way they can compete against Apple, they just don't have the
    >resources to build fine quality, tiny phones. they just don't have the
    >experience or depth of knowledge that Apple has in this area.
    >
    >> My take is that the iPhone is cool. I wouldn't buy one, but I can understand
    >> why other people might. But several newsgroups have been overrun by iPhone
    >> posts. It's obnoxious. Go away already; many (most?) of us don't care.

    >
    >Ah, but the iPhone has only been out for 120 days and still in Version
    >1, there will be a series of about 20 more models over the next 5 years,
    >so at some point you'll understand what we are talking about and join in
    >the party. Until then, you can complain all you want, but the iPhone
    >will grow and grow until it takes over the entire cell industry.
    >
    >-





  3. #3
    ChairMan
    Guest

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info

    In news:[email protected],
    Oxford <[email protected]>spewed forth:
    > Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>> If you people don't want an iPhone, and hate them so much, why are
    >>> you all going out of your way to try and dismiss them as garbage?
    >>> Just don't get one and enjoy whatever phone you have and move on.

    >>
    >> I'm not, but I'm really sick and ****ing tired of people posting all
    >> the iPhone crap in newsgroups dedicated to CARRIERS WHOSE NETWORKS
    >> THE iPHONE WON'T EVEN RUN ON.

    >
    > yes, steve... but you need to learn to deal with it. when Apple
    > enters a market, it will take over that market. do you use a PC? yes
    > or you wouldn't be posting a reply. you have apple to thank for that.
    > ever used a font on a laser or inkjet printer? you have apple to
    > thank for that. ever use the world wide web? you have steve jobs to
    > thank for that? and on and on... basically your understanding of what
    > the iphone is... IS naive.
    >
    > you will use an iPhone or a cheap clone of it in 10 years, the iPhone
    > makes all other cell phones obsolete.... so might as well learn about
    > what we are talking about now.
    >
    >> Alt.cellular.cingular, OK. Alt.cellular.tmobile, OK, at least it's
    >> the
    >> same technology. .verizon, .sprintpcs, .alltel - come on, those
    >> customers couldn't use a GSM iPhone even if it was unlocked. I've
    >> seen posts in all of those newsgroups. .nokia? Why? So some drooling
    >> Apple fanboy can tell us all how much Nokia sucks?

    >
    > they are still cell phone companies and will be greatly impacted by
    > the iPhone. Nokia is most at risk, expect them to fade away in 10-15
    > years. There is no way they can compete against Apple, they just
    > don't have the resources to build fine quality, tiny phones. they
    > just don't have the experience or depth of knowledge that Apple has
    > in this area.
    >
    >> My take is that the iPhone is cool. I wouldn't buy one, but I can
    >> understand why other people might. But several newsgroups have been
    >> overrun by iPhone posts. It's obnoxious. Go away already; many
    >> (most?) of us don't care.

    >
    > Ah, but the iPhone has only been out for 120 days and still in Version
    > 1, there will be a series of about 20 more models over the next 5
    > years, so at some point you'll understand what we are talking about
    > and join in the party. Until then, you can complain all you want, but
    > the iPhone will grow and grow until it takes over the entire cell
    > industry.
    >
    > -


    contrary to what you might think, there are people that use a cell phone
    just as a phone and couldn't care less about bells and whistles.
    Unlike others, my cell is not welded to my hip and never will be. YMMV





  4. #4
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.sprintpcs.]
    On 2007-10-24, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

    > yes, steve... but you need to learn to deal with it. when Apple enters a
    > market, it will take over that market. do you use a PC? yes or you
    > wouldn't be posting a reply. you have apple to thank for that. ever used
    > a font on a laser or inkjet printer? you have apple to thank for that.


    No, Idiot Boy, Apple uses PostScript. PostScript is an Adobe product.

    > you will use an iPhone or a cheap clone of it in 10 years, the iPhone
    > makes all other cell phones obsolete.... so might as well learn about
    > what we are talking about now.


    So in short, what you're saying is "I'm an asshole, and I'll continue to
    be an asshole because I feel that my message warrants me being an asshole."

    Even if you are 100% right, you're still off topic and posting crap that
    others in (most of) the newsgroups you're posting to don't want to read.

    > they are still cell phone companies and will be greatly impacted by the
    > iPhone. Nokia is most at risk, expect them to fade away in 10-15 years.
    > There is no way they can compete against Apple, they just don't have the
    > resources to build fine quality, tiny phones. they just don't have the
    > experience or depth of knowledge that Apple has in this area.


    Are you on crack?

    One of the first phones I ever carried was a Nokia 100 AMPS handset.

    That was in 1995.

    That'd be twelve years ago.

    Apple just started manufacturing phones.... exactly when?


    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com

    SoCal Fire news at the Los Angeles Times Breaking News Blog:
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/breakingnews/



  5. #5
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info

    On 2007-10-24, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

    > The Apple iPhone runs great on WiFi, now with ever easier availability
    > of free WiFi.


    Cool. But what both you and Oxford fail to understand is that I'm not
    arguing that the iPhone is a piece of junk. I don't know, I don't care, and
    I don't want to see five gazillion messages about the iPhone in the VZ or
    Sprint newsgroups.

    > As much as Apple's Laser Writer in 1986 pushed the envelope
    > for shared Laser Printers that did more than Courier font,
    > I thought Adobe had something to do with fonts.


    PostScript was and still is an Adobe product. It IS an open standard, but
    it's a page definition language originally designed by, and still maintained
    by, Adobe. Newer Macs can display TrueType/OpenType fonts too IIRC, but for
    quite some time, Mac fonts were PostScript, and only PostScript.

    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com

    SoCal Fire news at the Los Angeles Times Breaking News Blog:
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/breakingnews/



  6. #6
    IMHO IIRC
    Guest

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info

    In news:[email protected],
    Steve Sobol <[email protected]> typed:
    > ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.sprintpcs.]
    > On 2007-10-24, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> yes, steve... but you need to learn to deal with it. when Apple enters a
    >> market, it will take over that market. do you use a PC? yes or you
    >> wouldn't be posting a reply. you have apple to thank for that. ever used
    >> a font on a laser or inkjet printer? you have apple to thank for that.

    >
    > No, Idiot Boy, Apple uses PostScript. PostScript is an Adobe product.
    >
    >> you will use an iPhone or a cheap clone of it in 10 years, the iPhone
    >> makes all other cell phones obsolete.... so might as well learn about
    >> what we are talking about now.

    >
    > So in short, what you're saying is "I'm an asshole, and I'll continue to
    > be an asshole because I feel that my message warrants me being an
    > asshole."
    >
    > Even if you are 100% right, you're still off topic and posting crap that
    > others in (most of) the newsgroups you're posting to don't want to read.
    >
    >> they are still cell phone companies and will be greatly impacted by the
    >> iPhone. Nokia is most at risk, expect them to fade away in 10-15 years.
    >> There is no way they can compete against Apple, they just don't have the
    >> resources to build fine quality, tiny phones. they just don't have the
    >> experience or depth of knowledge that Apple has in this area.

    >
    > Are you on crack?
    >
    > One of the first phones I ever carried was a Nokia 100 AMPS handset.
    >
    > That was in 1995.
    >
    > That'd be twelve years ago.
    >
    > Apple just started manufacturing phones.... exactly when?



    The Apple logo has a piece missing ~ which is where logic and reasoning
    ability was. lol






  7. #7
    Mr. Strat
    Guest

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info

    In article <[email protected]>,
    ChairMan <[email protected]> wrote:

    > contrary to what you might think, there are people that use a cell phone
    > just as a phone and couldn't care less about bells and whistles.
    > Unlike others, my cell is not welded to my hip and never will be. YMMV


    I resisted for many years, even after working in a computer store that
    sold tons of cell phones.

    But last year, my girlfriend got me a phone for my birthday. I don't do
    texting and rarely approach the number of minutes in my plan.



  8. #8
    Stephen R. Conrad
    Guest

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info



    > ever use the world wide web? you have steve jobs to thank for that?


    And all along I thought it was Al Gore.



  9. #9
    Joel Koltner
    Guest

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > It was Apple that first put 802.11 wireless
    > networking/Internet into their computers as standard, using Lucent
    > technology then and now called "Airport".


    I very much doubt that no PCs had WiFi as standard prior to Apple coming it
    with it standard on their computers. Are you really suggesting that's the
    case? No, e.g., laptop manufacturer was shipping WiFi already integrated onto
    the motherboard when Apple first released a machine with
    motherboard-integrated WiFi?

    > My 7 year old Pismo laptop
    > still works great; try and find a working 7 year old Compaq laptop.


    You don't see them because something like a 7-year-old Compaq laptop has zero
    (or negative!) resale value, but I guarantee you that there are plenty sitting
    around in peoples' closests.

    > Apple was first with Sony's 3 1/2 floppy disks in 1984


    That might be relatively close to accurate.

    > and first with Office networked desktop computers also in 1984.


    Hardly -- there were tons of PC networking options available before 1984.
    Remember ARCNET?

    Apple certainly tries hard to innovate -- as many companies do -- and they do
    appear to have some legitimate new contributations in the iPhone.





  10. #10
    AZ Nomad
    Guest

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info

    On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:37:26 -0700, Joel Koltner <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> and first with Office networked desktop computers also in 1984.


    >Hardly -- there were tons of PC networking options available before 1984.
    >Remember ARCNET?


    >Apple certainly tries hard to innovate -- as many companies do -- and they do
    >appear to have some legitimate new contributations in the iPhone.



    What I best remember apple for is proprietary hardware that cost 70-250% more
    than comparable PC hardware. I always laughed inwardly when helping a mac
    owning friend replace some common component like a modem that cost $120
    instead of $15, or a motherboard that was $600 instead of $60.

    I've considered apple a few times, but could never get past the
    amazing prices.





  11. #11
    Ness_net
    Guest

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info


    "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > yes, steve... but you need to learn to deal with it. when Apple enters a
    > market, it will take over that market. do you use a PC? yes or you
    > wouldn't be posting a reply. you have apple to thank for that. ever used
    > a font on a laser or inkjet printer? you have apple to thank for that.
    > ever use the world wide web? you have steve jobs to thank for that? and
    > on and on... basically your understanding of what the iphone is... IS
    > naive.
    >
    > you will use an iPhone or a cheap clone of it in 10 years, the iPhone
    > makes all other cell phones obsolete.... so might as well learn about
    > what we are talking about now.
    >
    > they are still cell phone companies and will be greatly impacted by the
    > iPhone. Nokia is most at risk, expect them to fade away in 10-15 years.
    > There is no way they can compete against Apple, they just don't have the
    > resources to build fine quality, tiny phones. they just don't have the
    > experience or depth of knowledge that Apple has in this area.
    >
    > Ah, but the iPhone has only been out for 120 days and still in Version
    > 1, there will be a series of about 20 more models over the next 5 years,
    > so at some point you'll understand what we are talking about and join in
    > the party. Until then, you can complain all you want, but the iPhone
    > will grow and grow until it takes over the entire cell industry.
    >



    It is amazing that one person can spout so much total bull****.
    (PC = the AT, Intel / 8080, etc and yes, Redmond)
    (Font = Adobe you dolt)
    (WWW = SBLee, Arpanet, etc, etc)
    (Nokia at risk?? - "fade away in 10-15" and the "resources" stupidly is especially moronic)

    and on and on...

    The FOOL Oxford is nothing more than a snotty kid, completely delusional and full of himself.

    Pay no attention to the ramblings of a fanboy cretin.







  12. #12
    Mark Crispin
    Guest

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info

    Adding the Apple fanboy newsgroup so they can see why the people in the
    mobile phone newsgroups are so annoyed at them.

    On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, Oxford wrote:
    >> I'm not, but I'm really sick and ****ing tired of people posting all the
    >> iPhone crap in newsgroups dedicated to CARRIERS WHOSE NETWORKS THE iPHONE
    >> WON'T EVEN RUN ON.

    > yes, steve... but you need to learn to deal with it. when Apple enters a
    > market, it will take over that market.


    And this is why Apple is forever doomed to be an "also-ran" in the
    industry -- cretin fanboys like Oxford that so thoroughly annoy everybody
    else that they PROHIBIT use of Apple products in their companies.

    > do you use a PC? yes or you
    > wouldn't be posting a reply. you have apple to thank for that.


    Wrong. Apple did not invent the personal computer. I was around at that
    time.

    > ever used
    > a font on a laser or inkjet printer? you have apple to thank for that.


    Wrong. Apple did not invent laser or inkjet printers. For that matter, I
    used laser printers in 1975, long before Apple existed. Quick, how many
    people know what that printer was called?

    > ever use the world wide web? you have steve jobs to thank for that?


    Wrong. Neither Steve Jobs, nor Apple, invented the web. I happen to know
    the inventor (who by the way is a European) of the web.

    > you will use an iPhone or a cheap clone of it in 10 years, the iPhone
    > makes all other cell phones obsolete.... so might as well learn about
    > what we are talking about now.


    Too bad for your predictions that the overwhelming majority of mobile
    phone users have neither the slightest interest nor use for an iPhone or
    any other doo-dad that does anything more than make calls.

    Most people do not WANT to access the Internet from their mobile phone,
    much less pay for an obscenely priced data plan to use an obsolete EDGE
    network. Much of the mobile phone market is people who have el cheapo
    phones on bare-bones plans.

    > they are still cell phone companies and will be greatly impacted by the
    > iPhone. Nokia is most at risk, expect them to fade away in 10-15 years.
    > There is no way they can compete against Apple, they just don't have the
    > resources to build fine quality, tiny phones.


    You must be taking some fine drugs to have such hallucinations.

    Tell that to the people who have had to have their iPhones replaced due to
    cracked screens.

    Tell that to the people in Japan who have 3G Nokia phones that in every
    way are far superior of iPhone. There's a set of reasons why Apple
    doesn't even try to enter the Japanese mobile phone market. One is the
    lack of 3G. Another is that the Japanese already have much better.

    > Ah, but the iPhone has only been out for 120 days and still in Version
    > 1, there will be a series of about 20 more models over the next 5 years,
    > so at some point you'll understand what we are talking about and join in
    > the party. Until then, you can complain all you want, but the iPhone
    > will grow and grow until it takes over the entire cell industry.


    More likely, Apple will drop iPhone and exit the mobile phone market.

    Everybody who could possibly want an iPhone has bought one. There's no
    further market.

    -- Mark --

    http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
    Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
    Si vis pacem, para bellum.



  13. #13
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info

    Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > yes, steve... but you need to learn to deal with it. when Apple enters a
    > > market, it will take over that market.

    >
    > And this is why Apple is forever doomed to be an "also-ran" in the
    > industry -- cretin fanboys like Oxford that so thoroughly annoy everybody
    > else that they PROHIBIT use of Apple products in their companies.


    well, we'll see, it's still quite early in the PC game... especially now
    that MS seems to be exiting the market is telling. They loose .25% each
    month to Apple and that's increasing at a rapid rate.

    29% of the laptop market is now Apple... that's shocking... in the
    future, all modern university classrooms will look like this:

    http://snipurl.com/1sodk

    smart people buy Macs, iPods and iPhones, dumb people don't - it's
    really that simple.

    > > do you use a PC? yes or you
    > > wouldn't be posting a reply. you have apple to thank for that.

    >
    > Wrong. Apple did not invent the personal computer. I was around at that
    > time.


    Ah, you might want to talk to the inventor. Woz... or read the book:

    iWoz: From Computer Geek to Cult Icon: How I Invented the Personal
    Computer, Co-Founded Apple, and Had Fun Doing It

    Woz is widely credited to creating the first personal computer.

    I was around at that time too, and he was the first one to do it.

    > > ever used
    > > a font on a laser or inkjet printer? you have apple to thank for that.

    >
    > Wrong. Apple did not invent laser or inkjet printers. For that matter, I
    > used laser printers in 1975, long before Apple existed. Quick, how many
    > people know what that printer was called?


    and I never said they did, but they were the first to popularize the
    Laser Printer on a huge scale. First with Fonts on a wide scale, etc.

    You are talking about huge HP 1000 pound boxes, not the Laser Printers
    that Apple popularized. Think Mark, THINK.

    > > ever use the world wide web? you have steve jobs to thank for that?

    >
    > Wrong. Neither Steve Jobs, nor Apple, invented the web. I happen to know
    > the inventor (who by the way is a European) of the web.


    And I never said they did, but they did provide the critical tool that
    made the Web possible. If there was no Interface Builder, there would be
    no Web. Sure, Tim is a common enough fellow, lots of people know him.
    But he was able to create the Web on a NeXT Cube, no other machine could
    have made it possible. NeXTSTEP, now called OSX Leopard, did it... And
    you have Apple/SJ to thank.

    > > you will use an iPhone or a cheap clone of it in 10 years, the iPhone
    > > makes all other cell phones obsolete.... so might as well learn about
    > > what we are talking about now.

    >
    > Too bad for your predictions that the overwhelming majority of mobile
    > phone users have neither the slightest interest nor use for an iPhone or
    > any other doo-dad that does anything more than make calls.


    Yes, and they said the same thing about the iPod in 2002, not it 5 years
    later and it has 72% of the market. the iPhone will take a similar path,
    just watch...

    > Most people do not WANT to access the Internet from their mobile phone,
    > much less pay for an obscenely priced data plan to use an obsolete EDGE
    > network. Much of the mobile phone market is people who have el cheapo
    > phones on bare-bones plans.
    >
    > > they are still cell phone companies and will be greatly impacted by the
    > > iPhone. Nokia is most at risk, expect them to fade away in 10-15 years.
    > > There is no way they can compete against Apple, they just don't have the
    > > resources to build fine quality, tiny phones.

    >
    > You must be taking some fine drugs to have such hallucinations.


    No, I'm just skilled at perceiving how products/markets interact. You
    don't seem to have any of those skills, so you are stuck at a university
    in one of the most backwards technology states in the USA.

    > Tell that to the people who have had to have their iPhones replaced due to
    > cracked screens.


    Like all 200 of 1,300,000? I'm sure Nokia has a far higher failure rates
    of cracked screens. The iPhone screen is a ROCK... most solid smart
    phone ever created for the mass market.

    > Tell that to the people in Japan who have 3G Nokia phones that in every
    > way are far superior of iPhone. There's a set of reasons why Apple
    > doesn't even try to enter the Japanese mobile phone market. One is the
    > lack of 3G. Another is that the Japanese already have much better.


    But they also have access to free WiFi everywhere they go, so 3G kinda
    doesn't make sense in those densely concentrated areas.

    > > Ah, but the iPhone has only been out for 120 days and still in Version
    > > 1, there will be a series of about 20 more models over the next 5 years,
    > > so at some point you'll understand what we are talking about and join in
    > > the party. Until then, you can complain all you want, but the iPhone
    > > will grow and grow until it takes over the entire cell industry.

    >
    > More likely, Apple will drop iPhone and exit the mobile phone market.


    Yes, kinda like they are about ready to drop the iPod, it's only selling
    137,838 units A DAY... that's a failure in your eyes correct?

    > Everybody who could possibly want an iPhone has bought one. There's no
    > further market.


    Gosh, I've never run into someone so scared of the iPhone. You are
    freaking out that Apple is going to take over the cell market, I can see
    it in your posts. Well my friend, it's going to happen... just like the
    iPod did to the music industry. It's too late for slow moving companies
    like Nokia... they just don't have the talent, patents or resources to
    compete against Apple.

    Get started developing for the iPhone today! You'll be glad you did!

    http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/

    -



  14. #14
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: iPhone bricks - more info

    "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > Ah, you might want to talk to the inventor. Woz... or read the book:
    > >
    > > iWoz: From Computer Geek to Cult Icon: How I Invented the Personal
    > > Computer, Co-Founded Apple, and Had Fun Doing It
    > >
    > > Woz is widely credited to creating the first personal computer.
    > >
    > > I was around at that time too, and he was the first one to do it.

    >
    > Just when I think Oxford has said the ultimate in stupid things, he
    > one-ups himself.


    then take that up with computer historians, Woz, and everyone else. i'm
    just repeating the facts.

    if you can find a full fledged personal computer that had an actual
    case, screen output, keyboard, cassette input and sold on a massive
    scale before April 1st, 1976... I'm sure people would love to know your
    2nd secret you keep hiding from everyone.

    -



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    Re: iPhone bricks - more info

    In news:[email protected],
    Oxford <[email protected]> typed:
    > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>> Ah, you might want to talk to the inventor. Woz... or read the book:
    >>>
    >>> iWoz: From Computer Geek to Cult Icon: How I Invented the Personal
    >>> Computer, Co-Founded Apple, and Had Fun Doing It
    >>>
    >>> Woz is widely credited to creating the first personal computer.
    >>>
    >>> I was around at that time too, and he was the first one to do it.

    >>
    >> Just when I think Oxford has said the ultimate in stupid things, he
    >> one-ups himself.

    >
    > then take that up with computer historians, Woz, and everyone else. i'm
    > just repeating the facts.
    >
    > if you can find a full fledged personal computer that had an actual
    > case, screen output, keyboard, cassette input and sold on a massive
    > scale before April 1st, 1976... I'm sure people would love to know your
    > 2nd secret you keep hiding from everyone.
    >
    > -


    The Apple I computer designed by Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, the most
    famous members of the Homebrew Computer Club, over 30 years ago, in 1976. It
    was mostly a kit computer. Users bought the workings and built their own
    case.
    http://www.our-picks.com/archives/20...ars-ago-photo/

    The Commodore PET, Announced and demonstrated in January of 1977 at the
    Consumer Electronics Show in Chicago, months before the Apple II, meets your
    specs.






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