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- 11-24-2007, 11:57 AM #61Mark CrispinGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, David Friedman wrote:
> I looked it up on Amazon.com and it gave "Weight: 1.32 pounds" under
> "technical details" (not under "shipping weight"). That's about four
> times the iPhone's weight.
FYI, there are three weights to consider, each successively greater:
(1) the weight of the unit itself.
(2) the weight of the unit in its box with all the accessories, manuals,
and packaging.
(3) the shipping weight, which adds the shipping container, shipping
packaging, advertising fliers, invoice, etc.
Amazon quotes you the latter two weights. Thus, Amazon's weight for iPod
Touch is 13 ounces. That does not make iPod Touch twice as heavy as the
Nokia N800.
-- Mark --
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Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
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- 11-24-2007, 12:26 PM #62Mark CrispinGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007, Tinman wrote:
> Mark Crispin wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, Tinman wrote:
>>>> iPhone is huge compared to devices which have twice or four times
>>>> the screen resolution. Apple must have gotten a cheap deal on some
>>>> old technology LCDs
>>> Bzzzt. Wrong. You really do your argument a disservice when you make
>>> these kinds of ridiculous assertions.
>>> Most phones have half the iPhone's pixel count--and this includes
>>> recently-introduced "iPhone killers."
>>
>> You keep on harping on phones, when I am talking about mobile devices.
>
> That makes you a fool for participating in this discussion: no one but you
> was talking about that.
Wrong, bunkie. If you're talking about phones, then the war is over.
As a phone, the iPhone is a loser. It is GSM/EDGE only (no 3G), is
locked, is ridiculously overpriced, has mediocre voice performance, and
lacks important features that are standard on all but the most bottom-line
phones.
Apple fanboys glom onto iPhone's web browser, Wi-Fi, and 320x480 screen,
without realizing that those capabilities HAVE NO VALUE for a phone.
Those are mobile device features.
The moment you start talking about mobile devices, you have to judge the
product by the standards of mobile devices. And by those standards iPhone
is also inferior.
One way, it's a ****ty phone. The other way, it's a ****ty mobile device.
Either way, it is overpriced.
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim "it's a phone, so you can't
judge it by the standards of mobile devices" then turn around and say
"it's a mobile device, which makes it better than a less expensive phone
with greater phone capabilities."
> "Must be" in your mind only. To everyone else--or at least those not
> inflicted with an unhealthy hatred of the device--it's a phone.
I don't really care about iPhone at all. My disdain is for fanboys.
I don't want to kill Apple as a company either. Apple serves an important
purpose; it keeps Microsoft honest. Apple also provides an unending
source of amusement with its silly fanboys.
>> Nokia N800 has a screen which is only slighty larger than the iPhone,
> And any laptop blows that toy out of the water.
Of course. That goes without saying. Nobody in his right mind would
claim that a Nokia N800 is a contender in the laptop market. It's much
too slow with completely inadequate memory and storage.
The mobile devices that crossover to laptops are the UMPCs, such as the
Sony UX. But UMPCs have their own disadvantages; they are too large and
heavy for much mobile device use, and are too cramped for laptop use.
iPhone is also a crossover, this time between phones and mobile devices.
If it is priced competitively and unlocked, it might have a future;
although that low-resolution screen needs to be upgraded sooner rather
than later. Nonetheless, it is neither the ultimate phone nor the
ultimate mobile device, except in the feverish minds of fanboys.
-- Mark --
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
- 11-24-2007, 01:17 PM #63TinmanGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
Mark Crispin wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007, Tinman wrote:
>
>> Mark Crispin wrote:
>>>
>>> You keep on harping on phones, when I am talking about mobile
>>> devices.
>>
>> That makes you a fool for participating in this discussion: no one
>> but you was talking about that.
>
> Wrong, bunkie. If you're talking about phones, then the war is over.
What are you, twelve? Grow up.
>
> I don't really care about iPhone at all. My disdain is for fanboys.
Your disdain is apparently meant for yourself, based on your overly-dramatic
writing "style" (over a phone--you ain't fooling anyone with the "I don't
really care about the iPhone" nonsense).
As for "fanboy" your posts are as out of touch with reality as any fanboy
posts I've seen, characterized by changing arguments midstream and never
really addressing core points (certainly not rationally). But like a hamster
on its wheel, you'll keep up your anti-iPhone campaign, never actually
getting anywhere. Too funny...
--
Mike
- 11-25-2007, 01:29 AM #64Mark CrispinGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007, Tinman wrote:
>> I don't really care about iPhone at all. My disdain is for fanboys.
> Your disdain is apparently meant for yourself, based on your overly-dramatic
> writing "style" (over a phone--you ain't fooling anyone with the "I don't
> really care about the iPhone" nonsense).
No, my distain is for fanboys, and especially Oxford. But I'll whack you
on your noggin with a clue-by-four if you insist.
I was offered an iPhone. I turned it down.
> As for "fanboy" your posts are as out of touch with reality as any fanboy
> posts I've seen, characterized by changing arguments midstream and never
> really addressing core points (certainly not rationally). But like a hamster
> on its wheel, you'll keep up your anti-iPhone campaign, never actually
> getting anywhere. Too funny...
All this means that you can't answer the criticisms:
As a mobile phone, iPhone omits many standard features of modern mobile
phones and is locked to an obsolete EDGE network.
As a mobile device, iPhone has inadequate screen resolution, doesn't
support current web technology, and doesn't allow third-party apps (not
yet, anyway).
As a high-end MP3 player, iPhone's memory capability is woefully
inadequate.
It's a jack of all trades, and master of none. Nobody would buy it if it
was called the Microsoft Zune phone instead of the Apple iPhone.
iPhone is an overpriced and overhyped flash in the pan. Now that every
fanboy who wanted one has one, there's no more market. iPhone will not
kill other mobile phones, nor seize control of the mobile phone market for
Apple.
iPod Touch, iPhone's ugly sister, is in worse shape. Just a day after
Black Friday, Wal-Mart is selling it for $50 less than list price. The
iPod models which are selling are the less expensive and higher capacity
models. iPod Touch will be dead shortly.
Even worse news for Apple is that the EU seems to disapprove of iPhone's
business model. Like Microsoft, Apple seems to think that it is above EU
law, and it is now finding out otherwise.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
- 11-25-2007, 11:38 AM #65OxfordGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
> As a mobile phone, iPhone omits many standard features of modern mobile
> phones and is locked to an obsolete EDGE network.
but why would you use the obsolete EDGE network OR the obsolete 3G
network? MOST iPhone users are going to use the faster 802.11 connection
anyway. You only use EDGE or 3G if you are in a remote area.
> As a mobile device, iPhone has inadequate screen resolution, doesn't
> support current web technology, and doesn't allow third-party apps (not
> yet, anyway).
This clearly shows Mark has never used, nor touched an iPhone, it's the
clearest screen in the industry, even clearer than Nokia's phone that
has a higher pixel count. Mark doesn't understand screen technologies,
nor WebKit.
> As a high-end MP3 player, iPhone's memory capability is woefully
> inadequate.
And it's never been sold as such. From a capacity point of view it's not
a high end MP3 player, it's middle of the road but with a huge 8GB of
flash ram for 2,000 songs, deal with it. iTunes easily lets you slide in
new sets automatically every time you sync so it's not an issue of the
iPhone, it's an issue of your ignorance on how iTunes and the iPhone
work.
> It's a jack of all trades, and master of none. Nobody would buy it if it
> was called the Microsoft Zune phone instead of the Apple iPhone.
It does have the best battery life, most full featured MP3 player, best
video screen on a cell phone, best syncing, best web browser, faster
connection to data that "most" phones, best screen resolution, best
resale value, has visual voice mail, only phone to have multi-touch,
thinnest, scratch proof, easiest to use, etc, etc. People buy them since
they know Apple created it, they wouldn't buy a MS phone for the same
reason.
> iPhone is an overpriced and overhyped flash in the pan. Now that every
> fanboy who wanted one has one, there's no more market. iPhone will not
> kill other mobile phones, nor seize control of the mobile phone market for
> Apple.
actually, for the feature set, it's the lowest price phone you can
purchase. $399 or less buys you a lot you can't find on other phones.
(see above) The iPhone is for people that demand quality in their lives,
you don't... and that's fine.
> iPod Touch, iPhone's ugly sister, is in worse shape. Just a day after
> Black Friday, Wal-Mart is selling it for $50 less than list price. The
> iPod models which are selling are the less expensive and higher capacity
> models. iPod Touch will be dead shortly.
And the iPod Touch is the best selling "revenue" MP3 player on the
market today. Nobody is even close to matching the specs for the low
price. Will Apple be able to build enough of them for Christmas is the
only remaining question.
The "iPod Touch will be dead shortly." What a LAUGH Mark!
Translation from the book of Mark: "iPod Touch will become the biggest
seller in the history of MP3 players"
> Even worse news for Apple is that the EU seems to disapprove of iPhone's
> business model. Like Microsoft, Apple seems to think that it is above EU
> law, and it is now finding out otherwise.
Yes, and Apple has addressed that already, it simply means more sales
for Apple and more access for citizens in the EU to the world's greatest
cell phone.
The EU loves the iPhone, the big event in France is coming up on Nov
29th! Are you going to fly out for the launch?
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/16orange.html
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- 11-25-2007, 01:19 PM #66CozmicDebrisGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> It does have the best battery life,
With others duplicating this in real life (not test) situations.
> most full featured MP3 player,
Hardly.
> best video screen on a cell phone,
I don't know many people that stare at their screen while on a call.
> best syncing,
Far from it. It is not seamlees, as most other phones on the market
have.
> best web browser,
Not true.
> faster connection to data that "most" phones,
Not even close.
> best screen resolution,
Um- no.
> best resale value,
Check back in a year when they are going for $50 on ebay.
> has visual voice mail,
Come to find out, others have that ability as well.
> only phone to have
> multi-touch,
Toy
> thinnest,
You mean ONE of the thinnest
> scratch proof, easiest to use,
Transaltion- made for simpletons
> etc, etc. People
> buy them since they know Apple created it,
They buy it because of the viral marketing. They'll soon dump it when
they find all the things it doesn't do.
> they wouldn't buy a MS
> phone for the same reason.
And yet there are more MS phones in the hands of the public than Apple
phones. Hmmmm....
>
Welcom back, little Oxturd. We missed your stupidity.
- 11-25-2007, 02:19 PM #67DTCGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
Oxford wrote:
> but why would you use the obsolete EDGE network OR the obsolete 3G
> network?
Because EDGE covers about 3 million square miles of the U.S. and *OPEN*
WiFi covers only 2 thousand square miles. Rough ad-hoc estimate.
- 11-25-2007, 04:11 PM #68OxfordGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
DTC <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oxford wrote:
> > but why would you use the obsolete EDGE network OR the obsolete 3G
> > network?
>
> Because EDGE covers about 3 million square miles of the U.S. and *OPEN*
> WiFi covers only 1 million square miles. Rough ad-hoc estimate.
yes, and if you are in a tight spot you can resort to EDGE or 3G, but
most of the time, you'll just choose 802.11g, it makes more sense,
faster and is free.
- 11-25-2007, 04:26 PM #69edGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> DTC <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Oxford wrote:
>> > but why would you use the obsolete EDGE network OR the obsolete 3G
>> > network?
>>
>> Because EDGE covers about 3 million square miles of the U.S. and *OPEN*
>> WiFi covers only 1 million square miles. Rough ad-hoc estimate.
>
> yes, and if you are in a tight spot you can resort to EDGE or 3G, but
> most of the time, you'll just choose 802.11g, it makes more sense,
> faster and is free.
i've travelled quite a bit this month- and at lax, dfw, dca, and phl, there
was no free wi-fi. only one hotel i stayed at had free wi-fi. most coffee
shops and restaurants don't have free wi-fi. where are you getting the
impression that free wi-fi is available in most places?
- 11-25-2007, 05:09 PM #70OxfordGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> > It does have the best battery life,
>
> With others duplicating this in real life (not test) situations.
those are real world test situations, the iphone always gets the best on
battery life scores of all smartphones.
> > most full featured MP3 player,
>
> Hardly.
don't make me laugh Cozmic, name a single MP3 player that has more
features than iTunes and the iPhone.
> > best video screen on a cell phone,
>
> I don't know many people that stare at their screen while on a call.
having the largest screen on the smallest cell phone makes everything
clearer to the eye. buttons are bigger, the keys on the keyboard are
bigger, the browser is bigger, movies are bigger, album art is bigger,
etc.
> > best syncing,
>
> Far from it. It is not seamlees, as most other phones on the market
> have.
then name one better than the iPhone / iPod and iSync...
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/isync/
trust me, there aren't any.
> > best web browser,
>
> Not true.
then name one better... that's all i ask. which cell phone has a full
browser that operates just like a desktop or laptop browser... but with
a finger?
you are "out of touch" with reality cozmic. nobody else can do this...
http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/index.html#safari
> > faster connection to data that "most" phones,
>
> Not even close.
name one cell phone with 802.11n... if there is one, it's not
mainstream, nor does it have the features of the iphone. 3G is about
twice as slow as 802.11g. no thanks, i'll stick with the faster speed.
> > best screen resolution,
>
> Um- no.
then name a single phone with better resolution, smaller package,
crisper screen. bet you can't.
> > best resale value,
>
> Check back in a year when they are going for $50 on ebay.
perhaps in 4-5 years, but the iPhone will be the top value of all cell
phones from purchase date to resale date. apple stuff is like the Volvo
or BMW class machines. sure they go down a little bit, but they last for
decades and hold their value well.
> > has visual voice mail,
>
> Come to find out, others have that ability as well.
like who cozmic? name a Verizon phone with this feature, name a t-mobile
phone with this feature in the US. nope, none of them have this...
an industry first...
http://www.apple.com/iphone/features...html#voicemail
> > only phone to have
> > multi-touch,
>
> Toy
only because you can't afford high quality toys.
> > thinnest,
>
> You mean ONE of the thinnest
it's the "thinnest" phone with this many features, BAR NONE... apple has
always been the world's leader in creating the most elegant devices with
the least amount of chips, the world marvels at them for this. the
iphone is a breakthrough product in thinnest form factor for this many
features. no other phone is this advanced... BAR NONE.
> > scratch proof, easiest to use,
>
> Transaltion- made for simpletons
Translation for the real world: It's built to last.
> > etc, etc. People
> > buy them since they know Apple created it,
>
> They buy it because of the viral marketing. They'll soon dump it when
> they find all the things it doesn't do.
Like what doesn't it do? It's the most full featured phone on the
market, what exactly doesn't it do that you need someone to help explain
to you that it does?
> > they wouldn't buy a MS
> > phone for the same reason.
>
> And yet there are more MS phones in the hands of the public than Apple
> phones. Hmmmm....
MS has never made a single phone... you are talking about the Newton OS
they copied from Apple years ago, and still trying to foist it on the
"blue collar" workabee crowd.
> Welcom back, little Oxturd. We missed your stupidity.
so you can't even ***** welcome? talk about stupid... too funny.
- 11-25-2007, 05:20 PM #71David FriedmanGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
In article <[email protected]>,
Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
> It's a jack of all trades, and master of none. Nobody would buy it if it
> was called the Microsoft Zune phone instead of the Apple iPhone.
>
I think you are wrong.
Quite aside from the question of function, on which I don't know enough
to offer an opinion, it is a strikingly attractive piece of machinery. I
expect I will continue to resist the temptation to buy one, since it
isn't designed to do what I want done, but the temptation is still real.
--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
Published by Baen, in bookstores now
- 11-25-2007, 05:22 PM #72David FriedmanGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
In article
<[email protected]>,
Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> but why would you use the obsolete EDGE network OR the obsolete 3G
> network? MOST iPhone users are going to use the faster 802.11 connection
> anyway. You only use EDGE or 3G if you are in a remote area.
I don't think this is correct. Do you have any actual data to support
the (implied) claim that most people in the U.S. are in range of either
a free WiFi network or one they already have bought the right to use? I
would have thought it was a small minority.
That might change at some point in the past, but current buyers are
going to be basing their decisions on what is currently available.
--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
Published by Baen, in bookstores now
- 11-25-2007, 05:24 PM #73David FriedmanGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
In article <[email protected]>,
"ed" <[email protected]> wrote:
> i've travelled quite a bit this month- and at lax, dfw, dca, and phl, there
> was no free wi-fi. only one hotel i stayed at had free wi-fi. most coffee
> shops and restaurants don't have free wi-fi. where are you getting the
> impression that free wi-fi is available in most places?
In my experience, in the U.S., midlevel hotels--Hampton Inn and the
like--almost always have free WiFi. Low end hotels either have free WiFi
or none. High end hotels have WiFi but charge about ten dollars a day
for it.
--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
Published by Baen, in bookstores now
- 11-25-2007, 05:30 PM #74David FriedmanGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
In article <[email protected]>,
David Friedman <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > but why would you use the obsolete EDGE network OR the obsolete 3G
> > network? MOST iPhone users are going to use the faster 802.11 connection
> > anyway. You only use EDGE or 3G if you are in a remote area.
>
> I don't think this is correct. Do you have any actual data to support
> the (implied) claim that most people in the U.S. are in range of either
> a free WiFi network or one they already have bought the right to use? I
> would have thought it was a small minority.
>
> That might change at some point in the past, but current buyers are
> going to be basing their decisions on what is currently available.
Oops. That should have been:
"That might change at some point in the future."
--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
Published by Baen, in bookstores now
- 11-25-2007, 05:44 PM #75CozmicDebrisGuest
Re: NO!! Oxford is FULL of crap - as ALWAYS
Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:linuxlovesosx-
[email protected]:
> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> > It does have the best battery life,
>>
>> With others duplicating this in real life (not test) situations.
>
> those are real world test situations, the iphone always gets the best
on
> battery life scores of all smartphones.
You need to reread the fine print on the website. They admit that the
phone used was not a production model and the network situations were
not on the consumer network.
>
>> > most full featured MP3 player,
>>
>> Hardly.
>
> don't make me laugh Cozmic, name a single MP3 player that has more
> features than iTunes and the iPhone.
The list is endless, unless you have specific features in mind.
>
>> > best video screen on a cell phone,
>>
>> I don't know many people that stare at their screen while on a call.
>
> having the largest screen on the smallest cell phone
It's not the smallest cell phone
> makes everything
> clearer to the eye. buttons are bigger, the keys on the keyboard are
> bigger, the browser is bigger, movies are bigger, album art is bigger,
> etc.
And none of that matters on a phone. Of course, with it not having
voice dialing, people would have to resort to the old way of calling
people- having to dial the number manually. I thought this was supposed
to be cutting edge?
>
>> > best syncing,
>>
>> Far from it. It is not seamlees, as most other phones on the market
>> have.
>
> then name one better than the iPhone / iPod and iSync...
Any Blackberry.
>
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/isync/
>
> trust me, there aren't any.
>
>> > best web browser,
>>
>> Not true.
>
> then name one better... that's all i ask. which cell phone has a full
> browser that operates just like a desktop or laptop browser... but
with
> a finger?
You need to catch up on the posts. The iPhone has been proven to not
function like a full browser. Larry posted something earlier in the
rweek.
>
> you are "out of touch" with reality cozmic. nobody else can do this...
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/index.html#safari
>
>> > faster connection to data that "most" phones,
>>
>> Not even close.
>
> name one cell phone with 802.11n... if there is one, it's not
> mainstream, nor does it have the features of the iphone. 3G is about
> twice as slow as 802.11g. no thanks, i'll stick with the faster speed.
For the last time- 802.11x does not guarantee ANY speed. You arer a
newbie idiot that
>
>> > best screen resolution,
>>
>> Um- no.
>
> then name a single phone with better resolution, smaller package,
> crisper screen. bet you can't.
>
>> > best resale value,
>>
>> Check back in a year when they are going for $50 on ebay.
>
> perhaps in 4-5 years, but the iPhone will be the top value of all cell
> phones from purchase date to resale date. apple stuff is like the
Volvo
> or BMW class machines. sure they go down a little bit, but they last
for
> decades and hold their value well.
>
>> > has visual voice mail,
>>
>> Come to find out, others have that ability as well.
>
> like who cozmic? name a Verizon phone with this feature, name a t-
mobile
> phone with this feature in the US. nope, none of them have this...
>
> an industry first...
Again- catch up on the posts around here. The technology has been
available for cell phones for quite some time.
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/features...html#voicemail
>
>
>> > only phone to have
>> > multi-touch,
>>
>> Toy
>
> only because you can't afford high quality toys.
>
>> > thinnest,
>>
>> You mean ONE of the thinnest
>
> it's the "thinnest" phone with this many features, BAR NONE
That's not what you said, pinhead. And the list of features missing is
almost as long as the list of features available.
.... apple has
> always been the world's leader in creating the most elegant devices
with
> the least amount of chips, the world marvels at them for this. the
> iphone is a breakthrough product in thinnest form factor for this many
> features. no other phone is this advanced... BAR NONE.
It's not advanced- it's mid-tier technology at best.
>
>> > scratch proof, easiest to use,
>>
>> Transaltion- made for simpletons
>
> Translation for the real world: It's built to last.
>
>> > etc, etc. People
>> > buy them since they know Apple created it,
>>
>> They buy it because of the viral marketing. They'll soon dump it
when
>> they find all the things it doesn't do.
>
> Like what doesn't it do? It's the most full featured phone on the
> market, what exactly doesn't it do that you need someone to help
explain
> to you that it does?
>
>> > they wouldn't buy a MS
>> > phone for the same reason.
>>
>> And yet there are more MS phones in the hands of the public than
Apple
>> phones. Hmmmm....
>
> MS has never made a single phone... you are talking about the Newton
OS
> they copied from Apple years ago, and still trying to foist it on the
> "blue collar" workabee crowd.
Mighty powerful words for such a moron. Any proof?
>
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