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  1. #16
    Patrick C
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?


    "clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]...
    > Patrick C wrote:
    >> We use prepaid, buy 1000 minutes at a time for $100 and only pay sales
    >> tax
    >> on that (less we find refill card on EBay). We live in Illinois and our
    >> local sales taxes are 7%. The minutes last a year then are rollable if
    >> you
    >> don't use them. Of course we don't use that many minutes to begin with
    >> and
    >> the prepaid phone selection isn't that great.

    >
    > I was told at a T-Mobile store that you can have any phone they offer, for
    > the equivalent of the one-year-commitment price plus $50.
    >


    Good point. Didn't know that. You'd think they would mention that on their
    web site.

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    > arrested for trying to arrange a sexual tryst with a 13-year old boy.
    > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...72senate1.html





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  2. #17
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
    On 2007-12-05, clifto <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Patrick C wrote:


    > I was told at a T-Mobile store that you can have any phone they offer, for
    > the equivalent of the one-year-commitment price plus $50.


    This is correct. Look online or at the pricing in-store and you should
    see exactly that.


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    Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
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  3. #18
    SMS 斯蒂文• 夏
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > SMS éz‰⁄ï∂• ⃠<[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> PagePlus is probably the best option

    >
    > except, you can't buy it.


    Go to https://www.pagepluscellular.com/ to buy minutes and handsets.

    For activations search eBay for "PAGE PLUS PREPAID ACTIVATION"

    > Go ahead. Try to buy any of what you claim. It doesn't exist. Even on
    > Ebay.


    What are you trying to say? Since activations are available on eBay, and
    minutes can be purchased both on eBay and direct from Pageplus by phone
    or online, clearly you have something that you're not saying.



  4. #19
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    At 05 Dec 2007 02:04:48 +0000 Paul Miner wrote:

    > If I can find a less expensive service, I'll switch to it. My wife
    > uses less than 10 minutes of wireless service per month, so Virgin
    > costs me $15 every 3 months, plus taxes and fees. I haven't found
    > anything cheaper.


    For minimal use, T-Mobile is $100 the first year, $10 (yes, ten) each
    additional year. Target stores run a "free phone" with $100 card (1000
    minutes/one year) purchase as a promo occasionally

    Page Plus is $10 every 120 days, or $2.50/month.


    Check out Dave Markson's excellent prepaid comparison chart at:
    http://www.cellguru.net/prepaid_compare.htm





  5. #20
    DTC
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    Larry wrote:
    > People are stupid.


    People have different needs.

    > I justify it by not having an AT&T landline at home, which I
    > consider obsolete. I'll never figure why someone with a
    > SELLphone they're paying so much for has another drain on their
    > funds with a useless landline with even MORE stupid addon
    > charges, like "long distance", a throwback into the 1930's.


    I have to have at least two phone lines. both with 5 Mbps DSL.

    One has unlimited long distance to use a dial-up ISP in another city to
    test my web servers from the outside. I can't use one DSL line to look
    back into the other DSL line.

    If line one is busy, it rolls over to line two. Cellphone is too awkward
    to take a second call and flip between the two, compared to hitting the
    hold button on the phone and answering second line.

    I have a multi-line phone system at home with voice mail.

    I can receive or place a call on my home phone and transfer the call to
    my cellphone on the fly (and it frees up the land line).




  6. #21
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    At 04 Dec 2007 19:47:08 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

    > > PagePlus is probably the best option

    >
    > except, you can't buy it.
    >
    > Go ahead. Try to buy any of what you claim. It doesn't exist. Even on
    > Ebay.


    Activations available on eBay:
    http://search.ebay.com/page-plus-act...Zm37QQfromZR40
    ....or directly at http://www.uglyeric.com

    Refill minutes available here:
    http://www.babblebug.com/product_wir...cfm?type_id=23
    or,
    http://www.telecomservices.net/cgi-b...tam?tcon=21130

    ....among others...


    PagePlus is certainly a weird outfit in that they don't really sell phones
    (that I've been able to find- they simply activate phones you acquire
    yourself.

    I bought a used Verizon phone on eBay last month, e-mailed the info to
    "Ugly Eric" along with a few bucks via PayPal, and my $25 eBay phone was
    active within an hour.





  7. #22
    Kevin Weaver
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > At 04 Dec 2007 19:47:08 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    >
    >> > PagePlus is probably the best option

    >>
    >> except, you can't buy it.
    >>
    >> Go ahead. Try to buy any of what you claim. It doesn't exist. Even on
    >> Ebay.

    >
    > Activations available on eBay:
    > http://search.ebay.com/page-plus-act...Zm37QQfromZR40
    > ...or directly at http://www.uglyeric.com
    >
    > Refill minutes available here:
    > http://www.babblebug.com/product_wir...cfm?type_id=23
    > or,
    > http://www.telecomservices.net/cgi-b...tam?tcon=21130
    >
    > ...among others...
    >
    >
    > PagePlus is certainly a weird outfit in that they don't really sell phones
    > (that I've been able to find- they simply activate phones you acquire
    > yourself.
    >
    > I bought a used Verizon phone on eBay last month, e-mailed the info to
    > "Ugly Eric" along with a few bucks via PayPal, and my $25 eBay phone was
    > active within an hour.
    >

    Page Plus sells phones.
    http://www.pagepluscellular.com/onli...re/phones.aspx





  8. #23
    SMS 斯蒂文• 夏
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    Paul Miner wrote:
    > On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:20:28 -0800, SMS ???• ?
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> P.Schuman wrote:
    >>> wonder which prepaid you are using ?
    >>> We have our son on Virgin Mobile right now....
    >>> but he's starting to eat up the minutes
    >>> It seemed the best at 90 day interval for adding funds.

    >> Virgin is one of the worst prepaid plans in terms of cost.

    > <snip>
    >
    > If I can find a less expensive service, I'll switch to it. My wife
    > uses less than 10 minutes of wireless service per month, so Virgin
    > costs me $15 every 3 months, plus taxes and fees. I haven't found
    > anything cheaper.


    7-11 Speak-Out has a minimum cost of $25/year. It's 15¢/minute plus
    $1.25 per month. You only have to add time once a year. Ten minutes per
    month would be $1.25 + $1.50 = $2.75 per month. AT&T network.

    PagePlus is 50¢/month and the cheapest card is $10 for 83 minutes, or
    12¢/minute. Ten minutes per month would be 50¢+$1.20=$1.70, but since
    you must buy airtime every four months, $10/4=$2.50/month.

    With T-Mobile, if you buy $100 to start (1000 minutes), your airtime
    lasts a year, and then future airtime purchases, even the least
    expensive amounts will last a year. So while the first year is
    $8.33/month, future years will be $10/12 months (33 minutes for $10), or
    83¢/month, as you deplete the initial 1000 minutes, which would take you
    about six years if you add 33 minutes a year for $10. There is no
    monthly fee. If T-Mobile has coverage where you expect to need it, it's
    the cheapest by far, after the first year. Alas, in many areas,
    including where I live, their coverage is not good. In the latest
    Consumer Reports, T-Mobile got a black circle for coverage in my area
    (though they still were the second rated carrier).

    In terms of coverage, look at the January Consumer Reports Magazine that
    just came out. In _every_ market, a CDMA carrier was #1 (Verizon in 17
    out of 20, and Alltel in 3 out of 20). PagePlus uses Verizon (and can
    roam on Alltel, though at extra cost, plus there is AMPS roaming when
    needed, also at extra cost). With Virgin, you're on the carrier that was
    rated worst in 19 out of 20 cities, and second to worst in one city, and
    you aren't able to roam onto other CDMA carriers, or onto AMPS. AMPS is
    _not_ going away in rural areas in 2008, only in metro areas that have
    overlapping digital.

    See "http://www.cellguru.net/prepaid_compare.htm" but I notice at least
    one error in his table, 7-11 is now 15¢/minute not 20¢,



  9. #24
    SMS 斯蒂文• 夏
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    Todd Allcock wrote:

    > PagePlus is certainly a weird outfit in that they don't really sell phones
    > (that I've been able to find- they simply activate phones you acquire
    > yourself.


    PagePlus does sell a couple of refurbished phones.

    PagePlus also sells through dealers, who presumably offer either new or
    used phones, but I've never visited a dealer though there is one not far
    from me.

    Reality is that used CDMA phones are very cheap on craigslist or eBay,
    or free on a Freecycle group (http://www.freecycle.org/), and people are
    often happy to give away their old phones rather than tossing them.



  10. #25
    SMS 斯蒂文• 夏
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>>> PagePlus is probably the best option
    >>> except, you can't buy it.
    >>>
    >>> Go ahead. Try to buy any of what you claim. It doesn't exist. Even on
    >>> Ebay.

    >> Activations available on eBay:
    >> http://search.ebay.com/page-plus-act...Zm37QQfromZR40
    >> ...or directly at http://www.uglyeric.com
    >>
    >> Refill minutes available here:
    >> http://www.babblebug.com/product_wir...cfm?type_id=23

    >
    > Go to that page. Now, pull down the menu.
    >
    > Where are the $80 cards? Only in someone's imagination, apparently.


    Go directly to PagePlus, not to a reseller.

    Go to "https://www.pagepluscellular.com/online%20store/minutes.aspx"

    The $80 card is the last one listed.

    PagePlus has greatly improved their website, which was indeed very poor
    up until recently. The $80 card was gone for a while, but is now back,
    and is a better deal than before, at 1400 minutes for $80.

    What I like about PagePlus is that a) they have the cheapest per minute
    rate, by far; b) they have the best coverage, by far (just look at the
    most recent Consumer Reports survey of 48,000 cellular subscribers and
    see how Verizon is ranked), c) the expiration is 4 months on even the
    least expensive refill which is better than any prepaid company other
    than 7-11 Speakout which is 365 days.

    > PagePlus is a ****ed up company.


    They're a small MVNO offering the best rates and coverage, but they
    don't have the retail brick and mortar presence of AT&T, Virgin,
    T-Mobile, Verizon, or even 7-11. You have to expend a little effort to
    get started with them.



  11. #26
    SMS 斯蒂文• 夏
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    -= Hawk =- wrote:

    > If you don't use a lot of air time there's no beating T-Mobile. We'll be
    > going into our third year of pre-paid service for another $10 in Feb.
    > Not counting the cost of the phone $120 for three years cell phone
    > service is amazing. Judging by the minutes we've used over these last
    > two years and as long as t-mobile doesn't change it's way of doing
    > things I expect to get five years of service before having to spend
    > another $100 on another block of 1000 minutes.


    I don't think they'll change their policy for existing customers that
    did the "Gold" thing of $100 for 1000 minutes and future airtime
    expiration of one year for all future purchases. That was essentially a
    contract when they said that future airtime purchases last a year. What
    they _could_ do is to stop selling $10 airtime cards, or no longer offer
    the 1 year expiration to new customers.

    The problem I have with T-Mobile is that their coverage in my area is
    poor. I have no coverage at my house in Silicon Valley, and I'm not out
    in the boonies. NIMBYs have stopped T-Mobile and Sprint from putting up
    more towers, and at 1900 MHz they need a lot more towers than AT&T or
    Verizon to cover the same area. T-Mobile was recently granted permission
    to put up a tower near me, on an office building, with the only caveat
    being that they needed to shield the equipment from the view of
    neighboring residences with some sort of a low wall. They dropped their
    plans because of that restriction, which would have added only a few
    thousand dollars to the cost.



  12. #27
    SMS 斯蒂文• 夏
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 wrote:

    > See "http://www.cellguru.net/prepaid_compare.htm" but I notice at least
    > one error in his table, 7-11 is now 15¢/minute not 20¢,


    Oops, he does have the proper rate, I was looking at the SpeakOut CDMA
    rate, not the SpeakOut GSM rate. Sorry.



  13. #28
    SMS 斯蒂文• 夏
    Guest

    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    -= Hawk =- wrote:
    > On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:57:00 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
    > <[email protected]> scribbled:
    >
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> For minimal use, T-Mobile is $100 the first year, $10 (yes, ten) each
    >>> additional year.

    >> No, after the second year everything expires and nothing rolls over.
    >> You're back to $100 every other year, if that's what you're doing.

    >
    > That's the first I've heard of that in the two years I've been reading
    > this group. Odd you're the only person in all that time to bring it up.


    That poster is a source of misinformation on a wide variety of subjects.

    It's clear that "Gold Rewards Status" isn't something that needs to be
    requalified for. Once you're "Gold" you're "Gold" for as long as you
    keep the prepaid account. If "Gold" status had to be requalified for
    every two years then they would have to have explicitly stated that
    fact. See:

    "http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/default.aspx?plancategory=4"
    "http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm22440.htm"



  14. #29
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    At 05 Dec 2007 05:57:00 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

    > > For minimal use, T-Mobile is $100 the first year, $10 (yes, ten) each
    > > additional year.

    >
    > No, after the second year everything expires and nothing rolls over.


    That's incorrect. First you piss on PagePlus for being unavailable for
    purchase (which wasincorrect) and then on T-Mo with more misinformation.
    What's your interest in this Elmo? Are you a Sprint stockholder?

    > You're back to $100 every other year, if that's what you're doing.


    No. Not only is that not mentioned anywhere in T-Mo's website or literature,
    I can tell you from personal experience that you're dead wrong. As long as
    you don't let the account expire, all future refills on "gold" accounts
    (over $100 of airtime added) have a one year expiration. I have three
    active T-Mo prepaid accounts now that I don't even need, but for $10/year I
    can't let them go. One is going on it's fourth year this month (the first
    year cost me $25, due to a special Christmas promo T-Mo ran a few years ago
    that gave you "Gold" status for $25 instead of $100) so I have invested $45
    in that account- $25 for year one, and $10 each for 2 and 3. Another $10 is
    due later this month to carry me through 2008.






  15. #30
    bruceR
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    Re: basic cellular bill + added taxes ?

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    > At 05 Dec 2007 05:57:00 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    >
    >>> For minimal use, T-Mobile is $100 the first year, $10 (yes, ten)
    >>> each additional year.

    >>
    >> No, after the second year everything expires and nothing rolls over.

    >
    > That's incorrect. First you piss on PagePlus for being unavailable
    > for purchase (which wasincorrect) and then on T-Mo with more
    > misinformation. What's your interest in this Elmo? Are you a Sprint
    > stockholder?
    >
    >> You're back to $100 every other year, if that's what you're doing.

    >
    > No. Not only is that not mentioned anywhere in T-Mo's website or
    > literature, I can tell you from personal experience that you're dead
    > wrong. As long as you don't let the account expire, all future
    > refills on "gold" accounts (over $100 of airtime added) have a one
    > year expiration. I have three active T-Mo prepaid accounts now that
    > I don't even need, but for $10/year I can't let them go. One is
    > going on it's fourth year this month (the first year cost me $25, due
    > to a special Christmas promo T-Mo ran a few years ago that gave you
    > "Gold" status for $25 instead of $100) so I have invested $45 in that
    > account- $25 for year one, and $10 each for 2 and 3. Another $10 is
    > due later this month to carry me through 2008.


    I can confirm this. Both my parents bought an initial $100 card and then
    they just buy another $10 card every year. They've had the service for 3
    years.





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