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  1. #1
    SMS 斯蒂文• 夏
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    "U.S. District Judge James Selna issued the ruling Monday, the latest in
    a series of legal victories Broadcom scored over Qualcomm last year
    related to rights to technology for cell phones. The three patented
    chips use WCDMA technology, a small but fast-growing part of the
    wireless market used mostly in American T-Mobile and AT&T phones.

    Selna ruled that Qualcomm can continue to sell other disputed chips in
    the United States until January 2009, but must pay royalties on those
    chips, which use a different technology called EVDO and are used on
    Verizon and Sprint networks in America. He also allowed Qualcomm to use
    a patented Broadcom walkie-talkie technology until January 2009."

    Broadcom and Qualcomm must be very far apart on settling. Reminds me of
    the whole RIM mess last year, but they settled eventually, as everyone
    predicted.

    This whole patent dispute is one reason that W-CDMA didn't make it into
    the iPhone.



    See More: Judge Immediately Bans Sale of Qualcomm W-CDMA Chips




  2. #2
    Ron
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    Re: Judge Immediately Bans Sale of Qualcomm W-CDMA Chips


    YOu're posting old news. Qualcomm already announced new
    complaint chipsets

    http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...62822220080102


    On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:23:15 -0800, SMS ??? ?
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"U.S. District Judge James Selna issued the ruling Monday, the latest in
    >a series of legal victories Broadcom scored over Qualcomm last year
    >related to rights to technology for cell phones. The three patented
    >chips use WCDMA technology, a small but fast-growing part of the
    >wireless market used mostly in American T-Mobile and AT&T phones.
    >
    >Selna ruled that Qualcomm can continue to sell other disputed chips in
    >the United States until January 2009, but must pay royalties on those
    >chips, which use a different technology called EVDO and are used on
    >Verizon and Sprint networks in America. He also allowed Qualcomm to use
    >a patented Broadcom walkie-talkie technology until January 2009."
    >
    >Broadcom and Qualcomm must be very far apart on settling. Reminds me of
    >the whole RIM mess last year, but they settled eventually, as everyone
    >predicted.
    >
    >This whole patent dispute is one reason that W-CDMA didn't make it into
    >the iPhone.


    That's a fiction about the iphone. It was a battery consumption and
    size issue.



  3. #3
    SMS 斯蒂文• 夏
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    Re: Judge Immediately Bans Sale of Qualcomm W-CDMA Chips

    Ron wrote:
    > YOu're posting old news. Qualcomm already announced new
    > complaint chipsets
    >
    > http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...62822220080102


    I hope they're new chipsets are not complaint chipsets!

    They're announced, but not available yet. It'll take a while for the
    chips to be manufactured, then designed into phones. It could easily
    take six months to see products with the new chips.

    Broadcom will likely claim that the new chips still violate their patents.



  4. #4
    Bill Kearney
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    Re: Judge Immediately Bans Sale of Qualcomm W-CDMA Chips

    > More reason to wait for the Google phone and the results of the analog
    > TV bandwidth auctions. Don't buy a new phone this year !!


    Eh, until they actually start deploying radio HARDWARE it's pointess to
    speculate. You can have all the superior technology you want, but if it
    doesn't have radios on poles covering areas you need then it's pointless.
    We ditched cingular for precisely this reason, their coverage just sucks in
    the places we need to go. Doesn't matter how good the phones are if the
    coverage sucks.






  5. #5
    Larry
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    Re: Judge Immediately Bans Sale of Qualcomm W-CDMA Chips

    "Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote in news:OP-dnV-
    [email protected]:

    > EVERY EDGE iPhone
    > immediately depreciates dramatically. Maybe not zero, but damn near.
    >


    Ebay will be flooded...(c;

    Why would Apple be so stupid as to make their customer base ANGRY at losing
    $600 or $500 or $400 in a few months? It's stupid.

    Upgraded the whole Nokia N800 Linux tablet to the new OS2008, tonight.
    Took the plunge...(c; I may have gone overboard loading programs. It
    needs a 750GB hard drive...(c; The new map function is downloading 733MB
    of USA East maps, as I type this. They integrated a talking mapware right
    into the new OS2008 and GAVE IT TO US! Way cool....



    Larry
    --
    Next time some broker tells you what a great investment he's selling,
    ask him about Rhodium, a shiny metal used in Catalytic Converters.
    Jan 1st 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
    Rhodium $452 $1341 $3006 $5339 $6775 PER OUNCE!
    How much longer can we pay for new cars at this rate?
    Feb '97 it was $182/oz



  6. #6
    Bill Kearney
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    Re: Judge Immediately Bans Sale of Qualcomm W-CDMA Chips


    > Why would Apple be so stupid as to make their customer base ANGRY at
    > losing
    > $600 or $500 or $400 in a few months? It's stupid.


    Apple is famous for screwing their exising bleeding edge customers. Why
    would they be any different this time? The Apple fanboys are so ****ing
    stupid. They'll probably come up with some silly ass rationalization about
    how they were "helping" the company by going along with it. Cripes, it's
    practically the Stockholm syndrome.





  7. #7
    IMHO IIRC
    Guest

    Re: Judge Immediately Bans Sale of Qualcomm W-CDMA Chips

    In news:[email protected],
    Bill Kearney <[email protected]> typed:
    >> Why would Apple be so stupid as to make their customer base ANGRY at
    >> losing
    >> $600 or $500 or $400 in a few months? It's stupid.

    >
    > Apple is famous for screwing their exising bleeding edge customers. Why
    > would they be any different this time? The Apple fanboys are so ****ing
    > stupid. They'll probably come up with some silly ass rationalization
    > about how they were "helping" the company by going along with it. Cripes,
    > it's practically the Stockholm syndrome.



    They believe everything Steve Jobs says since he knows best.






  8. #8
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Judge Immediately Bans Sale of Qualcomm W-CDMA Chips

    Ness-Net wrote:

    <snip>

    > There is a fundamental flaw in your premise.
    > The second that a 3G iPhone hits the market, EVERY EDGE iPhone
    > immediately depreciates dramatically. Maybe not zero, but damn near.
    > It is what I call a bad investment. Now, if you can afford buying toys and
    > can afford buying another one in a year or so, then go for it...


    First of all, don't assume that the 3G iPhone means no more EDGE
    iPhones. The monthly pricing on the 3G model will likely be higher, or
    you'll be able to have your choice of 3G or EDGE service at different
    price points. It isn't corporations buying iPhones, it's individuals
    that may be happy paying $20 less per month and having the lower speed.

    Second, the judges ruling will delay the 3G iPhone in the U.S., as
    Qualcomm cannot sell their current chip design, and the cycle time to
    get new silicon into devices is long to very long, depending on how many
    revisions of silicon they need to go through. By the time the 3G iPhone
    hits stores, it'll be a year since the first model.

    Third, company's really can't be too concerned that their newer products
    will hurt the resale value of their older products, nor do most
    purchasers expect the company to stop introducing new products.

    Fourth, the current iPhone buyers purchased their iPhones knowing full
    well that a 3G model would be introduced, they just didn't know when.
    Very few will be really mad about it.

    Finally, there's a tendency to dismiss all iPhone buyers as morons,
    based on Usenet posts in CSMA or the alt.cellular groups. It gives a
    really warped picture of the average iPhone user, who would be aghast
    and angry to be equated with the fanboys that post on Usenet. They knew
    the feature limitations when they bought it, and they're not spending
    time rationalizing the missing pieces. It's not a phone I would buy for
    a host of reasons, but those I know that them are happy with them for
    the most part. The biggest complaint is not the lack of 3G, it's the
    lack of voice-dialing.



  9. #9
    clifto
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    Re: Judge Immediately Bans Sale of Qualcomm W-CDMA Chips

    Bill Kearney wrote:
    >> Why would Apple be so stupid as to make their customer base ANGRY at
    >> losing
    >> $600 or $500 or $400 in a few months? It's stupid.

    >
    > Apple is famous for screwing their exising bleeding edge customers. Why
    > would they be any different this time? The Apple fanboys are so ****ing
    > stupid. They'll probably come up with some silly ass rationalization about
    > how they were "helping" the company by going along with it. Cripes, it's
    > practically the Stockholm syndrome.


    As I recall, it was a mark of honor to have paid $10,000 for a Lisa and
    then to have gotten the letter (and pin) telling you that the computer
    they would henceforth be developing software for only cost $5,000.

    --
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    Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
    as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.



  10. #10
    Larry
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    Re: Judge Immediately Bans Sale of Qualcomm W-CDMA Chips

    "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote in news:ck9gj.4156$M24.3994
    @newsfe17.lga:

    > They believe everything Steve Jobs says since he knows best.
    >


    That can't be true because Billy Gates has more of nearly everything.....
    (c;

    Apple is proof that Micro$oft isn't trying to conquer the world....(c;
    I think Apple amuses them.

    Larry
    --
    As the price of Monopoly money rises, at some point it will equal
    Federal Reserve Private Bank fake banknotes in value!



  11. #11
    Larry
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    The WebTV Sellphone Simulator - Try before you buy!

    I'm the guy who wrote the "Liveaboard Simulator" for people thinking of
    moving their families aboard a sailboat to live. Google it and you'll find
    it in a lot of places. I never dreamed it would still be there years
    later.

    In that same "simulator" idea, when someone asks me what I think of these
    big PDA phones or WebTV appliances like iPhone or Voyager, I tell them
    before they buy they need to try my "WebTV Phone Simulator" before making
    such a mistake and being stuck with it, besides being laughed at in public
    which is embarrassing.

    So, Here is:
    The Pocket WebTV SELLphone Simulator

    Before making a mistake and buying that big-screened WebTV appliance
    they've all been hyping on TV, internet and in the Bigboy Toy Stores, pick
    out the one you think you want to buy and go to its specification webpage
    such as:
    iPhone:
    http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
    Verizon Voyager:
    http://www.voyager10000.com/
    search Google for "iPhone clones" to find the others...

    Now, note the physical dimensions and weight of your choice:
    iPhone:
    Size and weight
    * Height: 4.5 inches (115 mm)
    * Width: 2.4 inches (61 mm)
    * Depth: 0.46 inch (11.6 mm)
    * Weight: 4.8 ounces (135 grams)

    Voyager:
    Weight - 4.69oz
    Dimensions - 4.64 x 2.12 x 0.71"

    (You hunt for your particular choices physics.)

    Now, find a little clear plastic box as near to those dimensions as you
    can. If you beg a little at a jewelry store, they'll probably give you one
    just to get rid of you fast, if you promise to never come back in those
    clothes.

    If you don't have a letter scale, take the box and some coins or washers to
    the post office where they have really calibrated small scales right out
    where you can use them. Put the box on the scale and keep adding coins or
    washers until you come up to the new phone's weight. A little superglue
    setting up overnight on the coins EVENLY DISTRIBUTED inside the plastic box
    will provide the simulated weight.

    Now that we have a faux fone for "testing", and the washers inside aren't
    rattling around attracting attention, clean off the "front" of your new
    fauxfone 5000 really good because that is going to be part of the
    test....keeping the screen clean while using it as a phone up against your
    sweaty cheeks. More on that later. We're ready to start the simulator to
    see how we like it.

    We'll start by carrying around the fauxfone every place you carry around
    your current SELLphone, in the pocket you always carry the SELLphone in.
    Move the real SELLphone to another pocket during the simulation, so you can
    see how the new WebTVfone is going to feel and fit in your favorite pocket.
    If you currently wear your tiny SELLphone on a hip carrier on or in a nice
    carrying case on your belt, you can put that out of your mind and leave the
    SELLphone in its carrier. You won't be carrying an iPhone, with its large-
    target, fragile touchscreen, banging into the desks/copier/file
    cabinets/steering wheel/door frames/seat belt buckles/etc. for long before
    it's destroyed. These gadgets cannot take that kind of daily punishment.
    If you doubt this, superglue an old belt clip onto the back of the
    simulator box and carry it on your hip, putting the SELLphone in a pocket
    all week. See if the "screen" on the plastic box gets "scratched" or
    gouged while in simulation. This will also discourage you when you "feel"
    this huge box every time you jam it into your ribs upon entering your car
    or dropping into your favorite easy chair. The corners of an iPhone are
    more rounded than the simulator box...but not THAT much more.

    Simple rules for simulation....

    Every time you phone rings, answer it as you always do. Estimate how long
    you held it to your ear while being *****ed out for your current
    infractions by "her" (in attack mode, which differs from simulator mode).
    When you hang up the little SELLphone and put it away, fish out the
    simulator box and put it to your ear, screen against your cheek, for
    approximately the same time as the real phone call. (You may, of course,
    delay doing this when the simulation might get you fired or divorced or
    sent to the drunk tank, but make the simulated "call" as soon as practical,
    once you're not standing in front of your boss' desk or "her" punishment
    area. If more calls come in too quick to use the simulator box, ADD the
    TOTAL TIME and simulate as soon as you can, even if it inconveniences you.
    (Noone can see you holding a stupid plastic box to your ear in a bathroom
    stall. You're stuck in there for some time, make good use of it dropping
    the stacked up simulator time slots.)

    Every time you need to make a call, look closely at the simulator "screen"
    you'll be dialing on or at least looking at to see what you're dialing. At
    some point, even the most sedate of us is gonna grease up that "screen" to
    the point it needs more cleaning. It's inevitable! Clean it when it needs
    it, noting how this changes your day. Hold the box to your face and make
    the call right after you get off the phone, just like you did receiving
    calls.

    Again, it's a good idea to be in discrete in simulation and not let
    important people see you "testing"....unless, of course, you notice OTHERS
    in simulation mode carrying around plastic boxes with washers glued into
    them! If you find other simulatees, you both should compare notes and
    share simulator stories, including simulator construction plans which lend
    themselves to field improvements for more realism.

    OK, Day 1 is over and you're home. As you put your SELLphone down on the
    computer desk, lay down the simulator next to it with ONE LITTLE
    EXCEPTION.... WebTVfones being played with EAT BATTERIES during the day
    and MUST be recharged or we're not going to have SELLphone service tomorrow
    afternoon. Dig out an old AC power brick you used to charge the old flip
    phone with and lay it near an outlet by your desk. (No need to plug it in
    as simulators are "self-recharging" and last forever.) Lay the simulator
    on top of the phone end of its cable to simulate PLUGGING THIS BATTERY HOG
    INTO THE GRID EVERY NIGHT.

    Ok, we'll let you run in simulator for a couple of weeks until the next big
    price retraction and inevitable rebate scheme on the one you want. If you
    still want it and save a hundred bucks because of my simulator holding you
    back a couple of weeks, you'll think of me every time you power up the
    accessory you bought with the extra hundred bucks to go with it.

    Two Week Review.....

    OK, two weeks have passed....

    Question: Do you want to carry around the plastic box every place you need
    a SELLphone for the next TWO years of your contract?

    Question: Do you think the plastic box would last 2 years, looking at all
    the gouges and scratches on the plastic box's simulated screen after only
    two weeks?

    Question: Did you stomp and dump the plastic box in the trash any time
    during the last two weeks when it pissed you off sticking you in the gut or
    gouging the end of your nipples?

    Question: Did anyone poke fun at you, directly, or seem to point and laugh
    in a public place just because you had an iPhone-sized plastic box to your
    face walking down the ramp?

    These questions should help you make your own decision about the neat new
    WebTVfone you had in mind.....no matter who made it.

    WAIT! Before rushing out waving that credit card, spend WEEK 3 carrying
    around JUST your trusty old flip or candy bar in that favorite pocket.
    Make the decision ONE WEEK AFTER passing on this simulator and your
    simulator box, if it survives, to the NEXT googly-eyed buyer you know.


    Larry
    --
    NO IMPULSE BUYING YOU'LL REGRET FOR TWO YEARS!



  12. #12
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Judge Immediately Bans Sale of Qualcomm W-CDMA Chips

    digi wrote:
    > On Jan 6, 2:58 pm, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Ness-Net wrote:
    >>
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >>> There is a fundamental flaw in your premise.
    >>> The second that a 3G iPhone hits the market, EVERY EDGE iPhone
    >>> immediately depreciates dramatically.

    >
    > Yeah, even though cell phones are notorious for depreciation, the
    > iPhone will be the execption to the rule because its so cool?
    >> First of all, don't assume that the 3G iPhone means no more EDGE
    >> iPhones.

    >
    > Youre right! they will probably keep it around much like they did the
    > 4 gb iPhone. You know how they like to give customers choice!
    >
    >> The monthly pricing on the 3G model will likely be higher, or
    >> you'll be able to have your choice of 3G or EDGE service at different
    >> price points.

    >
    > So does this mean ATT has to give SJ even more money per month now?
    >
    >> It isn't corporations buying iPhones, it's individuals
    >> that may be happy paying $20 less per month and having the lower speed.

    >
    > Right here, your making my next point for me! tia!
    >
    >
    >> Fourth, the current iPhone buyers purchased their iPhones knowing full
    >> well that a 3G model would be introduced, they just didn't know when.
    >> Very few will be really mad about it.

    >
    > The majority of current iPhone users DO NOT KNOW WHAT 3G is, much less
    > know that the iPhone doesnt have it, and that is why they wont be mad
    > about it. The majority of people in general, were told the iPhone was
    > 246 devices in one, and hence beleive that it does EVERYTHING.


    However the reason that it's selling poorly in Europe is because of the
    lack of 3G. So at least in some parts of the world people do know what
    3G is. Part of the reason it is selling poorly in Europe is because in
    some areas without EDGE it's on GPRS, so users are even more aware of
    the speed issues than in the U.S..

    > The real deal average joe iPhone user doesnt even know about these
    > shortcomings. There are three classes of iPhone users it seems, the
    > fanboys which we see here all the time, we all know their level of
    > intelligence. Then there is the blissful idiot iPhone user, who think
    > they are part of some special clique because they use Apple products.
    > These users are not technically motivated, think their phone does
    > everything, and really have no idea the real features available on a
    > modern day cell phone. These are also the users who own a macbook, and
    > brag about how great it is to make movies on a mac, even though they
    > have never once even had spark of thought in their simple mind that
    > could ever be stretched into a film. Then there is the remorseful
    > buyer iPhone user, who now knows all too well that he was robbed, not
    > only of his hard earned cash on crippled, old, over-hyped technology,
    > but also of his dignity because he was totally suckered.


    Then there are the ones that wanted a WiFi web browser, iPod, and quad
    band phone all in one, and didn't think that $400 was an outrageous
    price to pay, and that rarely does EDGE web browsing, but that does use
    it to check e-mail. They may not know what 3G is, but they probably
    wouldn't pay more each month for it even if they did know.

    To me, the most glaring problem with the iPhone is that you can't
    legally use it while driving in three states (NY, NJ, & CT), and
    starting July 1, 2008 add CA and WA to the list. Many Asian and European
    countries also don't allow its use while driving.





  13. #13

    problem with the iPhone

    SMS wrote:

    > To me, the most glaring problem with the iPhone is that you can't
    > legally use it while driving in three states (NY, NJ, & CT), and
    > starting July 1, 2008 add CA and WA to the list. Many Asian and European
    > countries also don't allow its use while driving.


    Interesting.

    I would say that the overpriced and underpowered net connection (as
    compared to Sprint) was the most glaring problem with the iPhone. I
    _won_ an iPhone from a local TV station contest this year, and despite
    my long-time devotion to the Palm platform (I've carried a Palm-based
    device for 9 years), I would have kept that iPhone if I could have
    activated it on Sprint under EVDO. Instead, I sold it on eBay.

    As for hands-free usage, I'm not sure what you're talking about: The
    iPhone (like my Treo 700P) has Bluetooth support. Nearly all phones
    support hands-free usage compatible with the new laws -- via BT handsets
    and automotive hands-free systems. How is the iPhone any different?



  14. #14
    Richard B. Gilbert
    Guest

    Re: Judge Immediately Bans Sale of Qualcomm W-CDMA Chips

    SMS wrote:
    > digi wrote:
    >
    >> On Jan 6, 2:58 pm, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Ness-Net wrote:
    >>>
    >>> <snip>
    >>>
    >>>> There is a fundamental flaw in your premise.
    >>>> The second that a 3G iPhone hits the market, EVERY EDGE iPhone
    >>>> immediately depreciates dramatically.

    <snip>
    > To me, the most glaring problem with the iPhone is that you can't
    > legally use it while driving in three states (NY, NJ, & CT), and
    > starting July 1, 2008 add CA and WA to the list. Many Asian and European
    > countries also don't allow its use while driving.
    >
    >


    At least in New Jersey the law applies to ANY hand held phone!

    A lot of people seem to have responded by getting a "Bluetooth" device
    to hang in their ear! A little silly looking and probably still not a
    good idea while driving. . . . Not that it's going to stop some people
    .. . . .





  15. #15
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: The WebTV Sellphone Simulator - Try before you buy!

    -= Hawk =- <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:23:19 +0000, Larry <[email protected]>

    scribbled:
    >
    >>SELLphone

    >
    > The above idiocy negates any inherent usefulness of your post. You

    make
    > yourself look like a moron.
    >
    >


    Why? Because you do not like its truth?

    Larry
    --
    As the price of Monopoly money rises, at some point it will equal
    Federal Reserve Private Bank fake banknotes in value!



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