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  1. #1
    John Navas
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    On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:46:08 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote in
    <[email protected]m>:

    >On Jan 18, 6:38 pm, 4phun <[email protected]> wrote:


    >> Verizon's shares fell $1.91, or 4.7 percent, to $39. AT&T's shares
    >> fell $1.29, or 3.5 percent, to $36.01.


    >HA HA HA, shoulda went with GSM...those Lucifer radio cards should be
    >good for some gold and silver scrap value....JG


    Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline, and this will tend to accelerate
    the process, leaving Verizon increasingly isolated on a shrinking CDMA
    island, probably why Verizon shares dropped much more than AT&T shares.
    The bet by AT&T on GSM and 3G looks has been paying off well, and
    beating out Verizon for the iPhone has made it the strongest player in
    the U.S. market.

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    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/AT&T_Wireless_FAQ>



    See More: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster" - shares plunged 25.2 percent




  2. #2
    Dennis Ferguson
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster" - shares plunged 25.2 percent

    On 2008-01-19, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:46:08 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote in
    ><[email protected]m>:
    >
    >>On Jan 18, 6:38 pm, 4phun <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >>> Verizon's shares fell $1.91, or 4.7 percent, to $39. AT&T's shares
    >>> fell $1.29, or 3.5 percent, to $36.01.

    >
    >>HA HA HA, shoulda went with GSM...those Lucifer radio cards should be
    >>good for some gold and silver scrap value....JG

    >
    > Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline, and this will tend to accelerate
    > the process, leaving Verizon increasingly isolated on a shrinking CDMA
    > island, probably why Verizon shares dropped much more than AT&T shares.


    ?? Over the past 52 weeks Verizon shares are up 5%, AT&T up 3% and Sprint
    down 50%. The S&P is down 7%.

    Sprint and Verizon don't look like the ones which are closely correlated
    to me.

    Dennis Ferguson



  3. #3
    John Navas
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster" - shares plunged 25.2 percent

    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:14:10 GMT, Dennis Ferguson
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >On 2008-01-19, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:46:08 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote in
    >><[email protected]m>:
    >>
    >>>On Jan 18, 6:38 pm, 4phun <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>
    >>>> Verizon's shares fell $1.91, or 4.7 percent, to $39. AT&T's shares
    >>>> fell $1.29, or 3.5 percent, to $36.01.

    >>
    >>>HA HA HA, shoulda went with GSM...those Lucifer radio cards should be
    >>>good for some gold and silver scrap value....JG

    >>
    >> Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline, and this will tend to accelerate
    >> the process, leaving Verizon increasingly isolated on a shrinking CDMA
    >> island, probably why Verizon shares dropped much more than AT&T shares.

    >
    >?? Over the past 52 weeks Verizon shares are up 5%, AT&T up 3% and Sprint
    >down 50%. The S&P is down 7%.
    >
    >Sprint and Verizon don't look like the ones which are closely correlated
    >to me.


    I'm talking only about the drops today on the Sprint news. Analysts
    believe the fall in AT&T and Verizon reflect a likely tough year in 2008
    for cellular carriers. The greater fall in Verizon presumably means a
    tougher outlook than for AT&T.

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  4. #4
    Ness-Net
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster" - shares plunged 25.2 percent

    John, up to your old tricks again I see......

    Let me give you a hint...... then do your homework.

    N E X T E L

    is where most of the problems are - (which isn't "CDMA")......




    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]
    >
    > Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline, and this will tend to accelerate
    > the process, leaving Verizon increasingly isolated on a shrinking CDMA
    > island, probably why Verizon shares dropped much more than AT&T shares.
    > The bet by AT&T on GSM and 3G looks has been paying off well, and
    > beating out Verizon for the iPhone has made it the strongest player in
    > the U.S. market.
    >
    > --
    > Best regards, FAQ FOR AT&T (CINGULAR) WIRELESS:
    > John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/AT&T_Wireless_FAQ>





  5. #5
    SMS
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster"- shares plunged 25.2 percent

    Dennis Ferguson wrote:
    > On 2008-01-19, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:46:08 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote in
    >> <[email protected]m>:
    >>
    >>> On Jan 18, 6:38 pm, 4phun <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> Verizon's shares fell $1.91, or 4.7 percent, to $39. AT&T's shares
    >>>> fell $1.29, or 3.5 percent, to $36.01.
    >>> HA HA HA, shoulda went with GSM...those Lucifer radio cards should be
    >>> good for some gold and silver scrap value....JG

    >> Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline, and this will tend to accelerate
    >> the process, leaving Verizon increasingly isolated on a shrinking CDMA
    >> island, probably why Verizon shares dropped much more than AT&T shares.

    >
    > ?? Over the past 52 weeks Verizon shares are up 5%, AT&T up 3% and Sprint
    > down 50%. The S&P is down 7%.
    >
    > Sprint and Verizon don't look like the ones which are closely correlated
    > to me.


    Even with the Sprint subscriber losses, CDMA remains the dominant system
    in North America, with well over 50% of subscribers. 2007 saw big
    increases in CDMA penetration in the U.S.. CDMA is also gaining ground
    in Asia, because carriers like the fact that you can have the same
    coverage with 40% fewer cell sites, and the fact that CDMA has much
    higher capacity per Mhz than GSM.

    In Australia, a judge granted an emergency order delaying the CDMA shut
    down because "Next G" could not provide the rural coverage of CDMA. Hey,
    maybe someone can do that for AMPS in the U.S.!

    Of course remember than for data, it's all CDMA, whether it's W-CDMA or
    CDMA-2000. The future is indeed bright for CDMA!



  6. #6
    John Navas
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster" - shares plunged 25.2 percent

    On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:05:25 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Of course remember than for data, it's all CDMA, whether it's W-CDMA or
    >CDMA-2000. The future is indeed bright for CDMA!


    Nope. CMDA-2000 and W-CDMA are totally different.

    --
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    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/AT&T_Wireless_FAQ>



  7. #7
    Charles
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster" - shares plunged 25.2 percent

    In article <[email protected]>, SMS
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Of course remember than for data, it's all CDMA, whether it's W-CDMA or
    > CDMA-2000. The future is indeed bright for CDMA!


    I gather you have not heard of LTE the 4G upgrade.

    --
    Charles



  8. #8
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster" - shares plunged 25.2 percent

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
    On 2008-01-19, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline


    Were you ever a Sprint customer? I was, 2000-2005 for my wife's phone
    and 2004-2005 for both phones. The biggest problem at Sprint wasn't the
    network.



    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
    Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol




  9. #9
    Dennis Ferguson
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster" - shares plunged 25.2 percent

    On 2008-01-19, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Even with the Sprint subscriber losses, CDMA remains the dominant system
    > in North America, with well over 50% of subscribers.


    Unless my math is really screwed up that statistic is just wrong. Where
    did it come from?

    Dennis Ferguson



  10. #10
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster" - sharesplunged 25.2 percent

    At 19 Jan 2008 01:00:33 +0000 John Navas wrote:

    > Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline, and this will tend to accelerate
    > the process, leaving Verizon increasingly isolated on a shrinking CDMA
    > island, probably why Verizon shares dropped much more than AT&T shares.


    But Sprint's problems have nothing to do with being CDMA. If CDMA is
    "declining," it's because Sprint is hemmoraging customers- not the other
    way around. If Sprint was GSM, GSM would've lost 650,000 customers instead.


    > The bet by AT&T on GSM and 3G looks has been paying off well, and
    > beating out Verizon for the iPhone has made it the strongest player in
    > the U.S. market.



    Which has nothing to do with GSM (or CDMA), either. Other than a few savvy
    customers that travel internationally, I doubt 9 out of 10 cellular
    customers know or care what technology their carrier uses.





  11. #11
    George
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster"- shares plunged 25.2 percent

    John Navas wrote:
    > On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:46:08 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote in
    > <[email protected]m>:
    >
    >> On Jan 18, 6:38 pm, 4phun <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >>> Verizon's shares fell $1.91, or 4.7 percent, to $39. AT&T's shares
    >>> fell $1.29, or 3.5 percent, to $36.01.

    >
    >> HA HA HA, shoulda went with GSM...those Lucifer radio cards should be
    >> good for some gold and silver scrap value....JG

    >
    > Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline, and this will tend to accelerate
    > the process, leaving Verizon increasingly isolated on a shrinking CDMA
    > island, probably why Verizon shares dropped much more than AT&T shares.
    > The bet by AT&T on GSM and 3G looks has been paying off well, and
    > beating out Verizon for the iPhone has made it the strongest player in
    > the U.S. market.
    >

    From everything I read the screwup was to buy the toy Nextel
    properties. Initially that boosted their subscriber numbers but then
    when they started raising the prices and not building out the network
    the former nextel customers started fleeing. The walkie talkie thing was
    attractive for a while because it gave cheap calling for businesses. Now
    that the other carriers have free calling within their networks it has
    made the walkie talkie thing much less attractive.



  12. #12
    SMS
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster"- shares plunged 25.2 percent

    Dennis Ferguson wrote:
    > On 2008-01-19, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Even with the Sprint subscriber losses, CDMA remains the dominant system
    >> in North America, with well over 50% of subscribers.

    >
    > Unless my math is really screwed up that statistic is just wrong. Where
    > did it come from?
    >
    > Dennis Ferguson


    It was in an article last year. They added up the subscribers from the
    major carriers for each technology, Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, AT&T,
    T-Mobile, then divided by the total number of customers.



  13. #13
    SMS
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster"- shares plunged 25.2 percent

    George wrote:

    > From everything I read the screwup was to buy the toy Nextel
    > properties. Initially that boosted their subscriber numbers but then
    > when they started raising the prices and not building out the network
    > the former nextel customers started fleeing. The walkie talkie thing was
    > attractive for a while because it gave cheap calling for businesses. Now
    > that the other carriers have free calling within their networks it has
    > made the walkie talkie thing much less attractive.


    Some businesses really like the broadcast capability of Nextel. However
    the other PTT systems also have it now, and the fact that Nextel is a
    couple of second faster is of no consequence in broadcast mode.



  14. #14
    John Navas
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster" - shares plunged 25.2 percent

    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:53:04 GMT, Dennis Ferguson
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >On 2008-01-19, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Even with the Sprint subscriber losses, CDMA remains the dominant system
    >> in North America, with well over 50% of subscribers.

    >
    >Unless my math is really screwed up that statistic is just wrong. Where
    >did it come from?


    He's wrong, of course, but still desperately clinging to his forecast
    that Verizon and Sprint will take over the U.S. market.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR AT&T (CINGULAR) WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/AT&T_Wireless_FAQ>



  15. #15
    John Navas
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    Re: SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster" - shares plunged 25.2 percent

    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 05:28:50 +0000 (UTC), Steve Sobol
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
    >On 2008-01-19, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline

    >
    >Were you ever a Sprint customer? I was, 2000-2005 for my wife's phone
    >and 2004-2005 for both phones. The biggest problem at Sprint wasn't the
    >network.


    I have indeed been a Sprint customer. Other issues aside, the network
    is a big problem in many areas, and network integration and migration is
    nothing short of a nightmare.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR AT&T (CINGULAR) WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/AT&T_Wireless_FAQ>



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