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  1. #1
    William Sheehan, Jr.
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    NO... DUH right back!!

    Nobody cares about PTT anymore. (yes I know it's a vast generalization. but
    not for 3/4 of a million people last quarter alone!) All the old Nextel
    guys here on the job went VZW (joined the rest of us) and just programmed
    the one button dials for who they wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any
    more, but hand sets at half the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.


    "larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > 4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:cdf480de-2269-4320-ba2d-
    > [email protected]:
    >
    >> Among the next steps being considered, say people familiar with the
    >> company, is a speed-up of the network migration of Nextel's iDEN users
    >> to CDMA, and a possible sale of the iDEN network.
    >>

    >
    > The iDen customers will NEVER accept the ****ty poor CDMA walkie-talkie
    > service from any carrier. CDMA was never a trunk radio service, no matter
    > how you spin it. But, for iDen to work, it has to have TOWERS that Nextel
    > never installed. Guys pulling wires through crawlspaces under houses need
    > those towers Nextel never installed to make it work right.
    >
    > Duhh......(c;
    >






    See More: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular




  2. #2
    George
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    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    William Sheehan, Jr. wrote:
    > NO... DUH right back!!
    >
    > Nobody cares about PTT anymore. (yes I know it's a vast generalization. but
    > not for 3/4 of a million people last quarter alone!) All the old Nextel
    > guys here on the job went VZW (joined the rest of us) and just programmed
    > the one button dials for who they wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any
    > more, but hand sets at half the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.
    >
    >


    Pretty much, I work at a couple locations that did just that. Most
    everyone hated the beep---beep---beep Captain Commando walkie talkies.



  3. #3
    larry
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    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    "William Sheehan, Jr." <[email protected] dot att dot net>
    wrote in news:[email protected]:

    > NO... DUH right back!!
    >
    > Nobody cares about PTT anymore. (yes I know it's a vast
    > generalization. but not for 3/4 of a million people last quarter
    > alone!) All the old Nextel guys here on the job went VZW (joined the
    > rest of us) and just programmed the one button dials for who they
    > wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any more, but hand sets at half
    > the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.
    >
    >


    The reason business wants iDen was because the phones could be put in
    restricted walkie ONLY modes that wouldn't dial outside numbers, using the
    boss's phones to talk to the girlfriends instead of working.

    The walkie also allows employees to call "Mike", which comes out all the
    speakers everywhere like a PA. Other employees hearing this and knowing
    Mike is taking a crap in the portable LOO, would answer the call.
    SELLphones don't provide either service.

    SELLphones are also "girly" phones. iDen phones, with CONSTRUCTION in
    mind, survive being stuffed into a jeans pocket crawling under a house to
    fix plumbing. Motorola made them to lay on. If you lay on a girly phone
    from Verizon, it simply disintegrates. Look for the CONSTRUCTION PHONE on
    Verizon's webpage. See any?

    Nextel isn't about phones for company vice presidents. Nextel's phones are
    about plumbers and electricians and carpenters and roofers and drywall guys
    covered in gook.

    Different people in a different market.....altogether.
    If the Nextel guys fled Nextel, they went to Motorola trunk radios you can
    drive the dozer over....not girly phones from Verizon and Sprint.




  4. #4
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    William Sheehan, Jr. wrote:
    > NO... DUH right back!!
    >
    > Nobody cares about PTT anymore. (yes I know it's a vast generalization. but
    > not for 3/4 of a million people last quarter alone!) All the old Nextel
    > guys here on the job went VZW (joined the rest of us) and just programmed
    > the one button dials for who they wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any
    > more, but hand sets at half the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.


    Actually a lot (most?) of the businesses that used Nextel _did_ care
    about broadcast mode, but the other PTT services also have broadcast
    mode. Being able to broadcast out to your entire field staff to find out
    who was free to respond to an urgent call is very useful for many
    businesses.

    Broadcast mode was the only real unique aspect of Nextel, as using
    walkie-talkie mode was painful even with the shorter delay of iDEN.



  5. #5
    larry
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    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:47958663$0$84249
    [email protected]:

    > Broadcast mode was the only real unique aspect of Nextel, as using
    > walkie-talkie mode was painful even with the shorter delay of iDEN.
    >
    >


    Another aspect of the real Nextel users is logging onto OTHER user's
    networks....

    Case in point, I have a friend who owns an electrical service business on
    Nextel. He wouldn't think of using anything else, even though Nextel gives
    him poor coverage in many areas near here. The reason is he can simply
    click up another network and be talking, instantly, to his SUPPLIERS
    warehouse people, even from across town, to check on the availability,
    instantly, even from some just awful locations like the attic of a
    building, ordering on the spot. Oh, sure, he could call them on the phone,
    but that gets him the office bureaucrats, not George in warehouse 3 who
    knows where that E372908DD5 Umptisquat is supposed to be. He doesn't have
    to wait for some secretary to find George. George answers his call
    directly on 28372 group number.

    Many subcontractors have their group number on their trucks...right under
    their phone number! Most subcontractors in the construction business won't
    get a contract UNLESS they HAVE a Nextel Group number to submit with their
    bids!

    Like I said, this ISN'T about suits and bureaucrats. It's about comms for
    the working class, Nextel's bread and butter customers....

    Another thing Verizon doesn't match is a customers call TO that
    electrician's Nextel phone. Verizon wants airtime......Nextel INCOMING
    calls are always FREE.....and that matters to those businesses, too.




  6. #6
    larry
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    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > larry <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Case in point, I have a friend who owns an electrical service
    >> business on Nextel. He wouldn't think of using anything else, even
    >> though Nextel gives him poor coverage in many areas near here. The
    >> reason is he can simply click up another network and be talking,
    >> instantly, to his SUPPLIERS warehouse people, even from across town,
    >> to check on the availability, instantly, even from some just awful
    >> locations like the attic of a building, ordering on the spot. Oh,
    >> sure, he could call them on the phone, but that gets him the office
    >> bureaucrats, not George in warehouse 3 who knows where that
    >> E372908DD5 Umptisquat is supposed to be. He doesn't have to wait for
    >> some secretary to find George. George answers his call directly on
    >> 28372 group number.

    >
    > Yeah. And we all know that George in warehouse 3 could just as easily
    > carry a cell phone, with ITS own phone number.
    >
    >


    Which SELLphone Verizon sells would you have him carry?

    Look closely.....it needs to be:

    Indestructable during forklift, box carrying, cargo movements, crawling
    under things.

    Cannot dial out, no calling outside the company

    INCOMING calls must all be INCLUDED at no airtime charges to the
    company.

    Only business calls from contractors can connect to it, not George's
    harem of bar girls, bookies, other drunks, sports buffs.

    Which phone should we sell him that will do what his Nextel phone does
    quite well right now?

    Doesn't wash, does it?




  7. #7
    George
    Guest

    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    larry wrote:

    > Doesn't wash, does it?
    >

    I never realized Nextel walkie-talkies were free. Because I know with
    your constant use of "Sellphone" you really object to someone paying for
    the value they get from a communications provider so I know you could
    never be an advocate of any communications system that isn't free.



  8. #8
    larry
    Guest

    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in news:elmop-
    [email protected]:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > larry <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> > Yeah. And we all know that George in warehouse 3 could just as

    easily
    >> > carry a cell phone, with ITS own phone number.
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >> Which SELLphone Verizon sells would you have him carry?
    >>
    >> Look closely.....it needs to be:
    >>
    >> Indestructable during forklift, box carrying, cargo movements,

    crawling
    >> under things.
    >>
    >> Cannot dial out, no calling outside the company
    >>
    >> INCOMING calls must all be INCLUDED at no airtime charges to the
    >> company.
    >>
    >> Only business calls from contractors can connect to it, not George's
    >> harem of bar girls, bookies, other drunks, sports buffs.
    >>
    >> Which phone should we sell him that will do what his Nextel phone

    does
    >> quite well right now?
    >>
    >> Doesn't wash, does it?

    >
    > First you focus on the technology, then you focus on the

    administrative
    > aspects.
    >
    > Which do you want to focus on?
    >
    > I can make a cell phone account act exactly as you describe.
    >
    >


    Business doesn't care. Just make it work EXACTLY like Nextel, which you
    can't.




  9. #9
    larry
    Guest

    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    George <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > larry wrote:
    >
    >> Doesn't wash, does it?
    >>

    > I never realized Nextel walkie-talkies were free. Because I know with
    > your constant use of "Sellphone" you really object to someone paying for
    > the value they get from a communications provider so I know you could
    > never be an advocate of any communications system that isn't free.
    >


    Nextel isn't free. INCOMING PHONE CALLS are "free", not charged against
    customer airtime, EVER. Walkie Talkie mode has no airtime charges either.
    So the ONLY airtime payment is for OUTGOING calls.

    Back at the construction site, those phones have absolute MINIMUM airtime,
    but are being used constantly all month. Phone calls INCOMING and walkie
    mode.

    This isn't about me. It's about WHY BUSINESS LIKES NEXTEL. So, shove your
    personal attacks up your ass.





  10. #10
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    George wrote:
    > William Sheehan, Jr. wrote:
    >> NO... DUH right back!!
    >>
    >> Nobody cares about PTT anymore. (yes I know it's a vast
    >> generalization. but not for 3/4 of a million people last quarter
    >> alone!) All the old Nextel guys here on the job went VZW (joined the
    >> rest of us) and just programmed the one button dials for who they
    >> wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any more, but hand sets at half
    >> the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Pretty much, I work at a couple locations that did just that. Most
    > everyone hated the beep---beep---beep Captain Commando walkie talkies.


    At my wife's company they called it PTA (Push to Annoy). Still, it did
    have it's benefits being able to contact an entire field staff without
    calling every person individually, at least until the staff started
    turning off their phones to stop being interrupted. The biggest problem
    with Nextel was that the coverage was so limited. Her staff goes well
    outside the metro area, and they have to carry another phone, usually
    Verizon, in order to have coverage.



  11. #11
    larry
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    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > larry <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Nextel isn't free. INCOMING PHONE CALLS are "free", not charged
    >> against customer airtime, EVER. Walkie Talkie mode has no airtime
    >> charges either. So the ONLY airtime payment is for OUTGOING calls.
    >>
    >> Back at the construction site, those phones have absolute MINIMUM
    >> airtime, but are being used constantly all month. Phone calls
    >> INCOMING and walkie mode.
    >>
    >> This isn't about me. It's about WHY BUSINESS LIKES NEXTEL. So,
    >> shove your personal attacks up your ass.

    >
    > Are you saying that, for example, Verizon couldn't sell a plan with
    > free incoming? That free incoming is somehow only for, and inherent
    > to, Nextel and iDEN?
    >
    >


    Nope, not at all. I'm saying the reason Joe's Storm Door and Electric,
    Inc., buys Nextel is because Verizon DOESN'T OFFER IT TO HIM.




  12. #12
    Cellguy
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    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:07:35 GMT, William Sheehan, Jr. wrote:

    > Nobody cares about PTT anymore. (yes I know it's a vast generalization. but
    > not for 3/4 of a million people last quarter alone!) All the old Nextel
    > guys here on the job went VZW (joined the rest of us) and just programmed
    > the one button dials for who they wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any
    > more, but hand sets at half the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.


    Same experience here. Several of my distributors and resellers who used
    Nextel for their industrial customer field support have migrated to VZW for
    better coverage at rural customer sites. The influx of camera and
    messaging phones has killed PTT.



  13. #13
    Cellguy
    Guest

    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:23:01 +0000, larry wrote:

    > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in news:elmop-
    > [email protected]:
    >
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> larry <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> > Yeah. And we all know that George in warehouse 3 could just as

    > easily
    >>> > carry a cell phone, with ITS own phone number.
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>>
    >>> Which SELLphone Verizon sells would you have him carry?
    >>>
    >>> Look closely.....it needs to be:
    >>>
    >>> Indestructable during forklift, box carrying, cargo movements,

    > crawling
    >>> under things.
    >>>
    >>> Cannot dial out, no calling outside the company
    >>>
    >>> INCOMING calls must all be INCLUDED at no airtime charges to the
    >>> company.
    >>>
    >>> Only business calls from contractors can connect to it, not George's
    >>> harem of bar girls, bookies, other drunks, sports buffs.
    >>>
    >>> Which phone should we sell him that will do what his Nextel phone

    > does
    >>> quite well right now?
    >>>
    >>> Doesn't wash, does it?

    >>
    >> First you focus on the technology, then you focus on the

    > administrative
    >> aspects.
    >>
    >> Which do you want to focus on?
    >>
    >> I can make a cell phone account act exactly as you describe.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Business doesn't care. Just make it work EXACTLY like Nextel, which you
    > can't.


    Business will have to adapt when Sprint kills the IDEN network.



  14. #14
    larry
    Guest

    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    Cellguy <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
    40tude.net:

    > Business will have to adapt when Sprint kills the IDEN network.
    >


    They will. Motorola still rents time on their trunk radio systems with
    phone interconnect. You can't break those Moto walkies without using a
    bulldozer. It works like the iDen they love but has lots more power and
    range.




  15. #15
    Ness-Net
    Guest

    Re: Rumor: Price War About to Erupt in Cellular

    You better fact check that....

    On 800, Nextel yanked the plug on ALL of the existing customers.
    (Both the Moto 800 and the LTR 800 systems they took over)

    I still remember the certified letters - and the backlash.

    There isn't any maxtrac, (etc) customers on 800 anymore.

    "larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > They will. Motorola still rents time on their trunk radio systems with
    > phone interconnect. You can't break those Moto walkies without using a
    > bulldozer. It works like the iDen they love but has lots more power and
    > range.
    >





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