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  1. #46
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?



    "bruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    >> I've been out of the loop having had satellite for quite a few years,
    >> but I recently looked at the Comcast web site and I was amazed to see
    >> how much cable costs now. Satellite is no bargain, but it's far less
    >> expensive than the equivalent programming from Comcast.

    >
    > Depends on your needs. Comcast just gave me TV, Internet and Telephone for
    > $99/mo on a 2 year contract. Although I only need/want the one included
    > digital box, the other 8 TV's get, and will continue to get after analog
    > shuts down, channels 1-78 with no box at all. Another $29/mo will get me a
    > package of services including HBO and others.


    Wow. I've seen the $99 package on 6- and 12-month deals, but never for two
    years. Quite a coup.








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  2. #47
    George
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    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?

    bruceR wrote:
    >> Todd Allcock wrote:
    >>> At 22 Feb 2008 13:33:14 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Well, I do agree that it will be a disguised price increase--beyond
    >>>> even what they've done over the past two years, which is large.
    >>> Agreed.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> But it just means that more people won't pay the $50 to $75/month,
    >>>> and will instead move to prepaid.
    >>> You give people too much credit! ;-) Who'd have thought years ago
    >>> that "basic cable" would start at $50/month?

    >> I've been out of the loop having had satellite for quite a few years,
    >> but I recently looked at the Comcast web site and I was amazed to see
    >> how much cable costs now. Satellite is no bargain, but it's far less
    >> expensive than the equivalent programming from Comcast.

    >
    > Depends on your needs. Comcast just gave me TV, Internet and Telephone for
    > $99/mo on a 2 year contract. Although I only need/want the one included
    > digital box, the other 8 TV's get, and will continue to get after analog
    > shuts down, channels 1-78 with no box at all. Another $29/mo will get me a
    > package of services including HBO and others.
    >
    >

    They do it because they know it is an excellent strategy. They know most
    people (no comment about you implied) don't care for change. So when the
    rate goes way up after the promo period few will call for disconnection.



  3. #48
    George
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    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    >
    >
    > "bruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>> I've been out of the loop having had satellite for quite a few years,
    >>> but I recently looked at the Comcast web site and I was amazed to see
    >>> how much cable costs now. Satellite is no bargain, but it's far less
    >>> expensive than the equivalent programming from Comcast.

    >>
    >> Depends on your needs. Comcast just gave me TV, Internet and Telephone
    >> for $99/mo on a 2 year contract. Although I only need/want the one
    >> included digital box, the other 8 TV's get, and will continue to get
    >> after analog shuts down, channels 1-78 with no box at all. Another
    >> $29/mo will get me a package of services including HBO and others.

    >
    > Wow. I've seen the $99 package on 6- and 12-month deals, but never for
    > two years. Quite a coup.
    >


    At least in my market they are offering a year as evidenced by the
    glossy flyer that shows up in the mailbox every week.



  4. #49
    bruceR
    Guest

    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?




    > bruceR wrote:
    >>> Todd Allcock wrote:
    >>>> At 22 Feb 2008 13:33:14 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Well, I do agree that it will be a disguised price
    >>>>> increase--beyond even what they've done over the past two years,
    >>>>> which is large. Agreed.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> But it just means that more people won't pay the $50 to $75/month,
    >>>>> and will instead move to prepaid.
    >>>> You give people too much credit! ;-) Who'd have thought years ago
    >>>> that "basic cable" would start at $50/month?
    >>> I've been out of the loop having had satellite for quite a few
    >>> years, but I recently looked at the Comcast web site and I was
    >>> amazed to see how much cable costs now. Satellite is no bargain,
    >>> but it's far less expensive than the equivalent programming from
    >>> Comcast.

    >>
    >> Depends on your needs. Comcast just gave me TV, Internet and
    >> Telephone for $99/mo on a 2 year contract. Although I only need/want
    >> the one included digital box, the other 8 TV's get, and will
    >> continue to get after analog shuts down, channels 1-78 with no box
    >> at all. Another $29/mo will get me a package of services including
    >> HBO and others.

    > They do it because they know it is an excellent strategy. They know
    > most people (no comment about you implied) don't care for change. So
    > when the rate goes way up after the promo period few will call for
    > disconnection.


    True. I responded to the one year offer but the CS person offered me two
    years so I grabbed it. When the two years is up, I will likely call and read
    them ATT's latest offer and get them to match it. They'll usually do it for
    6 months at a time.





  5. #50
    Curtis R Anderson
    Guest

    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?

    SMS wrote:

    > Also, in natural disasters, often the wireless networks are overloaded
    > or go down, but landlines still work. During the bad hurricane season a
    > few years ago, we also saw that a lot of wireless sites had no back-up
    > generator, only batteries, so they went down pretty quickly. Cingular
    > had 25% of their sites with generators (according to their own press
    > release), while Verizon had 80% with back up power (Verizon claims to
    > have a generator at every site where they are allowed to have one).
    > Cingular's goal is to have enough sites up to provide complete coverage,
    > but to sacrifice capacity, "We will sacrifice the capacity piece to try
    > to attain blanket coverage as much as possible."


    Thinking of this old AUTOVON relay site very near where I lived when I
    went to high school:

    http://www.gleepy.net/gallery/images/napoli1.jpg
    http://www.gleepy.net/gallery/images/napoli2.jpg
    http://www.gleepy.net/gallery/images/napoli3.jpg

    I had found documentation on one web site showing that a Solar[tm]
    backup generator made by International Harvester was ready to kick in at
    that site any time power went down. Given that it was a deep rural area,
    wind could easily take down a power line and knock power out.

    These days VZW maintains a cell site there and has done so since 1999. I
    wonder if that Solar generator is still there.
    --
    Curtis R. Anderson, Co-creator of "Gleepy the Hen", still
    Email not munged, SpamAssassin [tm] in effect.
    http://www.gleepy.net/ mailto:[email protected]
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  6. #51
    Curtis R Anderson
    Guest

    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?

    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
    > M.L. wrote:
    >
    >>> Also, in natural disasters, often the wireless networks are overloaded
    >>> or go down, but landlines still work.

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Actually, just the opposite is true. Granted, as usual you showed an
    >> exception to the rule in order to pass it along as the rule. However,
    >> during most natural disasters it's the landlines that go down first.

    >
    >
    > Don't cell phones eventually connect via landlines? It seems to me that
    > it's cell phone to tower by air, tower to central office by wire,
    > Central office to central office by wire, central office to tower by
    > wire and tower to cell by air. For wire, you may substitute fiber
    > optics, if the local phone company is REALLY up-to-date.


    Rural sites (like the one I just posted links to pictures of) used
    microwave to connect to another cell site or to the main switch's tower
    with all kinds of microwave dishes on it.

    Think of the days of AT&T running Radio Relay, from the mid-'50s to the
    mid-'90s. with all those feed horns and L-2 and L-3 circuits passing
    phone calls and televison network feeds.
    --
    Curtis R. Anderson, Co-creator of "Gleepy the Hen", still
    Email not munged, SpamAssassin [tm] in effect.
    http://www.gleepy.net/ mailto:[email protected]
    mailto:[email protected] (and others) Yahoo!: gleepythehen



  7. #52
    Dennis Ferguson
    Guest

    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?

    On 2008-02-23, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Todd Allcock wrote:
    >> At 22 Feb 2008 15:16:12 -0500 Carl wrote:
    >>
    >>>> Yes, T-Mobile is a great deal for a lot of peak minutes. Unfortunately
    >>>> they have no coverage yet where I live, and poor coverage where I
    >>>> usually travel to.
    >>>>
    >>> If they had better coverage, they wouldn't be only $40! There's a point
    >>> there somewhere that some seem to miss. Maybe it's me. Sorry.

    >>
    >>
    >> Or maybe believing that is how Verizon's and AT&T's customers get to sleep
    >> at night! ;-)

    >
    > Yes, that's how I am able to sleep.
    >
    > Seriously though, I have two GSM phones without 800 MHz, my original
    > Cingular GSM phone from when Cingular out west was only 1900 MHz, and my
    > tri-mode "traveling phone" which is 900/1800/1900. If I put my SIM card
    > into one of those phones, which limits me to roaming on the T-Mobile


    Why would you be limited to T-Mobile? AT&T has 1900 MHz coverage in the
    bay area. I get it when I put my AT&T SIM in a phone which lacks 850 MHz,
    though the coverage is abysmal for reasons that aren't clear to me.

    > network with SpeakOut (an AT&T MVNO), the loss of coverage is very
    > noticeable (starting with no coverage where I live, unless I go outside
    > and down the street a bit).


    The funny thing is, the last time I tried a SpeakOut SIM in my phone
    I couldn't even force it to use T-Mobile's network in the bay area (I
    can't force my AT&T SIM to use T-Mobile's network either); I got
    registration failures.

    If you are evaluating T-Mobile's coverage using a SpeakOut SIM either
    you have a much better SpeakOut SIM than I had, or you may be evaluating
    AT&T's 1900 MHz service instead. That latter is indeed poor.

    Dennis Ferguson



  8. #53
    Dennis Ferguson
    Guest

    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?

    On 2008-02-23, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
    > At 23 Feb 2008 10:42:44 -0800 SMS wrote:
    >> Todd Allcock wrote:

    >
    >> Yes, I use a very good 850/1900 Motorola model handset for GSM
    >> testing on AT&T Wireless, I just tried the SIM in the 1900 MHz models
    >> because I wanted to see if T-Mobile had added coverage to my area.

    >
    >
    > Are you sure SpeakOut still roams on T-Mo in your area? I think the
    > network transition is over (or darn near.) The network IDs were recently
    > changed, IIRC.
    >
    >
    > Can't you just do a network search and see who comes up? Or does Cingular
    > lock that menu out?
    >
    > (Although last year when I was in the Bay Area a network search on my T-Mo
    > phone and SIM showed "Cingular" and "Cingular") ;-)


    Last year the MCC-MNC for AT&T and T-Mobile were 310-380 and 310-170,
    respectively, which a lot of phones of a certain vintage might call
    "Cingular" and "Cingular".

    This year they are now 310-410 and 310-260, which most phones will
    get right, though with my AT&T SIM in my phone they show up as "AT&T"
    and "AT&T". I don't quite know the reason for that, though I assume
    it has something to do with AT&T using T-Mobile for roaming in other
    parts of the country.

    Dennis Ferguson



  9. #54
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?

    At 23 Feb 2008 16:25:30 -0600 bruceR wrote:
    > I responded to the one year offer but the CS person offered me two
    > years so I grabbed it. When the two years is up, I will likely call and
    > read them ATT's latest offer and get them to match it. They'll usually
    > do it for 6 months at a time.



    Which, by then, you'll be elligible for another Comcast promo. Well played!






  10. #55
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?

    bruceR wrote:

    > Depends on your needs. Comcast just gave me TV, Internet and Telephone for
    > $99/mo on a 2 year contract. Although I only need/want the one included
    > digital box, the other 8 TV's get, and will continue to get after analog
    > shuts down, channels 1-78 with no box at all. Another $29/mo will get me a
    > package of services including HBO and others.


    2 years is pretty good, around here they only offer 6 months. Still, I
    pay less than $99 a month for Dish, plus Sonic.net DSL, plus AT&T POTS,
    though that doesn't include unlimited LD or any of the phone features
    like 3 way calling, caller ID, etc., that AT&T really gouges you for.
    None of the prices are "introductory," I could pay less if I kept
    switching DSL providers back and forth.



  11. #56
    George
    Guest

    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    > At 23 Feb 2008 16:25:30 -0600 bruceR wrote:
    >> I responded to the one year offer but the CS person offered me two
    >> years so I grabbed it. When the two years is up, I will likely call and
    >> read them ATT's latest offer and get them to match it. They'll usually
    >> do it for 6 months at a time.

    >
    >
    > Which, by then, you'll be elligible for another Comcast promo. Well played!
    >
    >
    >

    It could be based on market. I know in my area it is next to impossible
    to get another promo when a promo has expired.



  12. #57
    Jerome Zelinske
    Guest

    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?

    I am guessing that the number of users and the percentage of users
    are very small. It would not help me any. If someone's bill including
    overages averages less than $99, then there would be no savings.


    SMS wrote:
    > For the cost of one of those $99 unlimited plans (which will be about
    > $115 after taxes and fees), you could buy about 2150 minutes on a
    > prepaid network (at about 5.3¢ per minute). That's about 35 hours a
    > month. Other than certain business people, i.e. realtors, field service,
    > etc., how many users actually use over 2000 minutes per month?
    >
    > PagePlus charges as low as 5.3¢/minute for voice, and as low as 3.5¢ per
    > text message (when you buy the $80 "1400 minute" card at a discounted
    > price of $74). They also offer unlimited voice minutes for $2.49 a day,
    > or $75 for a 30 day month.
    >
    > It seems that too many consumers look at the "unlimited" part, without
    > understanding that $99 is a) not really $99, and b) not such a great
    > deal compared to non-unlimited plans, and c) a lot more than they have
    > to pay for unlimited voice.




  13. #58
    Jerome Zelinske
    Guest

    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?

    That depends on the phone. On some the options are Sprint and
    Automatic.


    SMS wrote:
    > Todd Allcock wrote:
    >> At 22 Feb 2008 15:16:12 -0500 Carl wrote:
    >>
    >>>> Yes, T-Mobile is a great deal for a lot of peak minutes. Unfortunately
    >>>> they have no coverage yet where I live, and poor coverage where I
    >>>> usually travel to.
    >>>>
    >>> If they had better coverage, they wouldn't be only $40! There's a
    >>> point there somewhere that some seem to miss. Maybe it's me. Sorry.

    >>
    >>
    >> Or maybe believing that is how Verizon's and AT&T's customers get to
    >> sleep
    >> at night! ;-)

    >
    > Yes, that's how I am able to sleep.
    >
    > Seriously though, I have two GSM phones without 800 MHz, my original
    > Cingular GSM phone from when Cingular out west was only 1900 MHz, and my
    > tri-mode "traveling phone" which is 900/1800/1900. If I put my SIM card
    > into one of those phones, which limits me to roaming on the T-Mobile
    > network with SpeakOut (an AT&T MVNO), the loss of coverage is very
    > noticeable (starting with no coverage where I live, unless I go outside
    > and down the street a bit).
    >
    > The big problem with T-Mo, is that they won't let you roam onto AT&T in
    > areas where they have a network. According to some Sprint users, if you
    > set your handset to roaming only then Sprint does allow roaming onto
    > Verizon even in areas where Sprint has a network.




  14. #59
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?



    "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    > It could be based on market. I know in my area it is next to impossible to
    > get another promo when a promo has expired.


    In my market (Denver) the Comcast promo literature just says you can't have
    had Comcast in the last 90 days to be eligible for the current offer.











  15. #60
    Tom J
    Guest

    Re: How many users actually benefit from $99 unlimited?

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    > "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >> It could be based on market. I know in my area it is next to
    >> impossible to get another promo when a promo has expired.

    >
    > In my market (Denver) the Comcast promo literature just says you
    > can't have had Comcast in the last 90 days to be eligible for the
    > current offer.


    I've had the same Verizon plan for over 6 years & they throw every new
    plan at me several times. At the cost of my plan and my use, I don't
    bite, even though the analog section is dying.

    Tom J





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