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  1. #1
    P.Schuman
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    If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
    can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
    I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
    to be used later by standard GPS units.
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    you have obviously overlooked something." - Steven Wright





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  2. #2
    Larry
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    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?

    "P.Schuman" <[email protected]> wrote in news:AGCIj.23247
    [email protected]:

    > If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
    > can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
    > I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
    > to be used later by standard GPS units.


    SURELY YOU JEST!!

    SELLphone companies letting you see data from what you bought WITHOUT
    PAYING SELLPHONE COMPANIES?!!

    BITE YOUR TONGUE.....and open your wallet!

    (in my best British accent) NEVAH!........(c;




  3. #3
    D
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?

    On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
    >can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
    >I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
    >to be used later by standard GPS units.


    GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
    triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....



  4. #4
    The Bob
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?

    D <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
    news:[email protected]:

    > On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
    >>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
    >>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
    >>to be used later by standard GPS units.

    >
    > GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
    > triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....
    >


    Actually, some phones do have GPS and do not rely on triangulation.

    And your post highlights something that I find interesting. GPS is the
    acronym for "Global Positioning Satellite." Therefore, in order to offer
    GPS as a service, a unit would need to communicate with satellites.
    Anything else is simply a locator service, and is advertised as such.



  5. #5
    Richard B. Gilbert
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?

    The Bob wrote:
    > D <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    >
    >>On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
    >>>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
    >>>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
    >>>to be used later by standard GPS units.

    >>
    >>GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
    >>triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....
    >>

    >
    >
    > Actually, some phones do have GPS and do not rely on triangulation.
    >
    > And your post highlights something that I find interesting. GPS is the
    > acronym for "Global Positioning Satellite." Therefore, in order to offer
    > GPS as a service, a unit would need to communicate with satellites.
    > Anything else is simply a locator service, and is advertised as such.


    Communicate is a slight overstatement. A GPS device needs only to
    receive signals broadcast from the NavStar (GPS) satellites. Four
    satellites are needed to solve four equations in four unknowns:
    latitude, longitude, elevation and time. Even four or five years ago, a
    GPS receiver was about as big as a book of matches!




  6. #6
    George
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?

    D wrote:
    > On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
    >> can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
    >> I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
    >> to be used later by standard GPS units.

    >
    > GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
    > triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....


    Actually some do use that as part of the solution.

    The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
    cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what phone
    they use.



  7. #7
    Bill Kearney
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?

    > And your post highlights something that I find interesting. GPS is the
    > acronym for "Global Positioning Satellite." Therefore, in order to offer
    > GPS as a service, a unit would need to communicate with satellites.


    NO, NO, NO! GPS is a receive-only system. Your unit is listening for
    multiple satellites. Based on what it 'hears' and the timing, it
    triangulates a location.

    At no point, at no time, NOT EVER, do any of the GPS units transmit back to
    the satellites. THINK ABOUT IT. The power to get a signal back to orbit is
    non-trivial. That and managing the traffic from a bajillion different GPS
    unit would be nigh-on impossible.




  8. #8
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?

    On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
    >can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
    >I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
    >to be used later by standard GPS units.


    What phone? What carrier?
    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR AT&T MOBILITY (CINGULAR WIRELESS):
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/AT&T_Mobility_FAQ>



  9. #9
    CRAIG
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?

    The definition of GPS is "Global Positioning System" NOT "Global Positioning
    Satellite".

    Craig

    "The Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >D <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    >> On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
    >>>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
    >>>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
    >>>to be used later by standard GPS units.

    >>
    >> GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
    >> triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....
    >>

    >
    > Actually, some phones do have GPS and do not rely on triangulation.
    >
    > And your post highlights something that I find interesting. GPS is the
    > acronym for "Global Positioning Satellite." Therefore, in order to offer
    > GPS as a service, a unit would need to communicate with satellites.
    > Anything else is simply a locator service, and is advertised as such.






  10. #10
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?

    At 03 Apr 2008 10:19:23 -0700 CRAIG wrote:
    > The definition of GPS is "Global Positioning System" NOT "Global

    Positioning
    > Satellite".



    Then Verizon' and Sprint's systems still fail the definition, since, unlike
    satellite-based systems, they're not available globally! ;-)





  11. #11
    The Bob
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?

    "Bill Kearney" <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following
    in news:[email protected]:

    >> And your post highlights something that I find interesting. GPS is
    >> the acronym for "Global Positioning Satellite." Therefore, in order
    >> to offer GPS as a service, a unit would need to communicate with
    >> satellites.

    >
    > NO, NO, NO! GPS is a receive-only system. Your unit is listening for
    > multiple satellites. Based on what it 'hears' and the timing, it
    > triangulates a location.
    >
    > At no point, at no time, NOT EVER, do any of the GPS units transmit
    > back to the satellites. THINK ABOUT IT. The power to get a signal
    > back to orbit is non-trivial. That and managing the traffic from a
    > bajillion different GPS unit would be nigh-on impossible.
    >
    >


    So by listening to the satellites, communication is happening.

    Thanks for nothing.



  12. #12
    Jack Hamilton
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?

    George <[email protected]> wrote:

    >D wrote:
    >> On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
    >>> can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
    >>> I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
    >>> to be used later by standard GPS units.

    >>
    >> GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
    >> triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....

    >
    >Actually some do use that as part of the solution.
    >
    >The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
    >cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what phone
    >they use.


    And yet no one has answered the question for any phone or any carrier.
    Perhaps someone will have to write a custom program. Does GPS return
    lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?



  13. #13
    Roger 2008
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?


    "Jack Hamilton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > George <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >D wrote:
    > >> On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
    > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
    > >>> can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application

    ?
    > >>> I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
    > >>> to be used later by standard GPS units.
    > >>
    > >> GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
    > >> triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....

    > >
    > >Actually some do use that as part of the solution.
    > >
    > >The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
    > >cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what phone
    > >they use.

    >
    > And yet no one has answered the question for any phone or any carrier.
    > Perhaps someone will have to write a custom program. Does GPS return
    > lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?


    -----

    Cross posting removed

    *GPS lat/lon": YES
    "simple": NO

    The program I currently use is GPS2BLUE found at:
    http://users.skynet.be/hofinger/GPS2Blue.html

    The reason why I say it is *not* simple is because the only way I have been
    able to get the "GPS long/lat" to display is when I use GPS2BLUE to redirect
    the GPS data via Bluetooth from a "Sprint Mogul" to another device.

    To get the redirection to work I assign a comport to the other device. To
    assign a comport to the other device the other device has to have an
    incomming port so that rules out a lot of devices.

    BTW once the redirection via Bluetooth is working it makes it look like the
    other device has a built in GPS just like the Sprint Mogul has.

    As for "simple." I am still looking for something "simple" myself and if I
    find a "simple" program I'll try to post about it too.





  14. #14
    Roger 2008
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?


    "P.Schuman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
    > can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
    > I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
    > to be used later by standard GPS units.
    > --
    > ----------------------------------
    > "If everything seems to be going well,
    > you have obviously overlooked something." - Steven Wright


    Crossposting left in.

    If you have a WM6 PPC/phone with a built in GPS like the Sprint Mogul has
    then you mght find something with a "simple GPS lat/long display" here:
    http://pocketpcfreewares.com/en/inde...cat=30&sortby=





  15. #15
    News
    Guest

    Re: simple GPS lat/lon display?



    Jack Hamilton wrote:

    > George <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>D wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
    >>><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
    >>>>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
    >>>>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
    >>>>to be used later by standard GPS units.
    >>>
    >>>GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
    >>>triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....

    >>
    >>Actually some do use that as part of the solution.
    >>
    >>The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
    >>cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what phone
    >>they use.

    >
    >
    > And yet no one has answered the question for any phone or any carrier.
    > Perhaps someone will have to write a custom program. Does GPS return
    > lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?



    The HP iPaq hw65**/67**/69** GPS radio outputs NMEA 0183 Geographic
    Latitude and Longitude (GLL) format coordinates, independent of carrier.



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