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  1. #16
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"


    "Carl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...




    >> And the story gets a little more interesting
    >>
    >> Sprint sets price for new smart phone: $129.99
    >>
    >> http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...77342bc44d9291
    >> 19b0bffdb238.htm
    >>

    > Without seeing this new device, or knowing much more about it, I'm willing
    > to bet it will not have the appeal or functionality of the iPhone. It's
    > lower price may give it some appeal to teenagers, but I don't think that
    > $70 would motivate me to choose the copycat over the real thing.



    To be fair, I don't think Sprint thinks so either- while some cellular
    customers are motivated by the latest shiny object, (at least 6 million so
    far!) ;-) there are a good number of customers who choose carrier first,
    and then find a device they like (or hate the least!) out of that carrier's
    offerings. For THAT type of customer, Sprint offers the new Samsung- to
    offer 70-80% of an iPhone to thier customers who wouldn't switch to AT&T
    regardless. I suspect that the low price is sort of an acknowledgement that
    the device falls a bit short, and they don't have the hubris to sell it at
    the iPhone price (unlike Verizon, who has no trouble selling handsets at
    twice what they're worth.)





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  2. #17
    The Bob
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    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> amazed us all with the
    following in news:[email protected]:

    >
    > "Carl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >>> And the story gets a little more interesting
    >>>
    >>> Sprint sets price for new smart phone: $129.99
    >>>
    >>>

    http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...8d977342bc44d9
    >>> 291 19b0bffdb238.htm
    >>>

    >> Without seeing this new device, or knowing much more about it, I'm
    >> willing to bet it will not have the appeal or functionality of the
    >> iPhone. It's lower price may give it some appeal to teenagers, but I
    >> don't think that $70 would motivate me to choose the copycat over the
    >> real thing.

    >
    >
    > To be fair, I don't think Sprint thinks so either- while some cellular
    > customers are motivated by the latest shiny object, (at least 6
    > million so far!) ;-) there are a good number of customers who choose
    > carrier first, and then find a device they like (or hate the least!)
    > out of that carrier's offerings. For THAT type of customer, Sprint
    > offers the new Samsung- to offer 70-80% of an iPhone


    Please explain which 30% of the iPhone is missing. Except for a
    slightly smaller screen and slighty lower screen resolution, every
    review over the last month has put it on a par wirh the iPhone. And the
    inclusion of many features missing on the iPhone would seem to make it a
    better value if priced comparable to the iPhone.

    > to thier
    > customers who wouldn't switch to AT&T regardless. I suspect that the
    > low price is sort of an acknowledgement that the device falls a bit
    > short, and they don't have the hubris to sell it at the iPhone price
    > (unlike Verizon, who has no trouble selling handsets at twice what
    > they're worth.)
    >


    Or it is none of the above and represents the best value on the market.
    If I do the math, it would appear that the combination of reduced phone
    price and potentially cheaper plan pricing would make this the best
    value for the toyphone crowd.

    In looking at the specs, I just noticed an interesting perk- the
    Instinct comes with a spare battery, with each battery measuring almost
    6 hours of continous talk time.

    >
    >





  3. #18
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    At 19 Jun 2008 15:34:20 -0500 The Bob wrote:

    > > To be fair, I don't think Sprint thinks so either- while some cellular
    > > customers are motivated by the latest shiny object, (at least 6
    > > million so far!) ;-) there are a good number of customers who choose
    > > carrier first, and then find a device they like (or hate the least!)
    > > out of that carrier's offerings. For THAT type of customer, Sprint
    > > offers the new Samsung- to offer 70-80% of an iPhone

    >
    > Please explain which 30% of the iPhone is missing. Except for a
    > slightly smaller screen and slighty lower screen resolution, every
    > review over the last month has put it on a par wirh the iPhone. And the
    > inclusion of many features missing on the iPhone would seem to make it a
    > better value if priced comparable to the iPhone.



    Perhaps, but I'm talking about perception more than anything else- that
    half-eaten fruit silkscreened on the back gives the iPhone a legitimacy to
    a good number of folks (myself certainly not one of them.) Notice while
    every manufacturer or carrier wants to compare their new device to the
    iPhone, no one compares theirs to the Prada, the Voyager, this new Samsung,
    etc. The iPhone offers tight iTunes integration for those who care, plus,
    love it or hate it, the iPhone currently sets the standard for mobile
    browsers right now. It's frankly the only part of the iPhone that I, as a
    Windows Mobile user, am the slightest bit envious of. It's just not worth
    putting up with the device's many limitations for, however.


    > > to thier
    > > customers who wouldn't switch to AT&T regardless. I suspect that the
    > > low price is sort of an acknowledgement that the device falls a bit
    > > short, and they don't have the hubris to sell it at the iPhone price
    > > (unlike Verizon, who has no trouble selling handsets at twice what
    > > they're worth.)
    > >

    >
    > Or it is none of the above and represents the best value on the market.
    > If I do the math, it would appear that the combination of reduced phone
    > price and potentially cheaper plan pricing would make this the best
    > value for the toyphone crowd.



    Could be. But six months from now, which phone will have sold 10x the other,
    rightly or wrongly? I'd still take a Mogul over either, were it me, though.
    ;-)





  4. #19
    The Bob
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> amazed us all with the
    following in news:[email protected]:

    > At 19 Jun 2008 15:34:20 -0500 The Bob wrote:
    >
    >> > To be fair, I don't think Sprint thinks so either- while some
    >> > cellular customers are motivated by the latest shiny object, (at
    >> > least 6 million so far!) ;-) there are a good number of customers
    >> > who choose carrier first, and then find a device they like (or hate
    >> > the least!) out of that carrier's offerings. For THAT type of
    >> > customer, Sprint offers the new Samsung- to offer 70-80% of an
    >> > iPhone

    >>
    >> Please explain which 30% of the iPhone is missing. Except for a
    >> slightly smaller screen and slighty lower screen resolution, every
    >> review over the last month has put it on a par wirh the iPhone. And
    >> the inclusion of many features missing on the iPhone would seem to
    >> make it a better value if priced comparable to the iPhone.

    >
    >
    > Perhaps, but I'm talking about perception more than anything else-
    > that half-eaten fruit silkscreened on the back gives the iPhone a
    > legitimacy to a good number of folks


    But their track record for this legitimacy is almost exclusively limited
    to emerging electronics markets. They have a so-so following in any
    sort of mature technology setting. Computers- fractional market share.
    Apple TV? Too little, too late. iPods- they made their name in an
    emerging market and could be positioned to lose even that luxury (more
    about that later). Cellular technology is a mature industry- only the
    toy afficiandos will be carrying an iPhone in a couple of years. That
    is the history of Apple.

    (myself certainly not one of
    > them.) Notice while every manufacturer or carrier wants to compare
    > their new device to the iPhone, no one compares theirs to the Prada,
    > the Voyager, this new Samsung, etc.


    The press is the one making the comparison, not the carriers or
    manufacturers.

    > The iPhone offers tight iTunes
    > integration for those who care,


    Soon to be a non-factor. Something that slipped quietly under the radar
    (somewhat surprisingly) was the rollout yesterday of the entire
    Universal music catalog for free by Qtrax, with full iPod compatibility.
    Other labels will soon be following suit. The days of Apple dominance
    in the portable music players are drawing to an end, and they are
    destined to be the Sony of the early 21st century. The iPod will go the
    way of the IIe.

    Something else- I noticed that the Samusing is compatibile with many
    more file formats than the iPhone- most notably .wma files.

    > plus, love it or hate it, the iPhone
    > currently sets the standard for mobile browsers right now. It's
    > frankly the only part of the iPhone that I, as a Windows Mobile user,
    > am the slightest bit envious of.


    I'm not. I can't think of a single situation where I would want to rely
    on such a small screen to do any kind of serious browsing, much less
    watch video of any substantial length. It's a headache waiting to
    happen.

    >It's just not worth putting up with
    > the device's many limitations for, however.


    Agreed.

    >
    >
    >> > to thier
    >> > customers who wouldn't switch to AT&T regardless. I suspect that
    >> > the low price is sort of an acknowledgement that the device falls a
    >> > bit short, and they don't have the hubris to sell it at the iPhone
    >> > price (unlike Verizon, who has no trouble selling handsets at twice
    >> > what they're worth.)
    >> >

    >>
    >> Or it is none of the above and represents the best value on the
    >> market. If I do the math, it would appear that the combination of
    >> reduced phone price and potentially cheaper plan pricing would make
    >> this the best value for the toyphone crowd.

    >
    >
    > Could be. But six months from now, which phone will have sold 10x the
    > other, rightly or wrongly?


    I think the more important number is how either phone affects the total
    subscriber base of a carrier. Now that Jobs has given up his crack-
    inspired dream of 'changing the world of carriers dealing with
    manufacturers', that's the only true metric that mateers.

    > I'd still take a Mogul over either, were
    > it me, though.
    > ;-)
    >
    >


    Six months ago, I would have been right there with you. However,
    everybody I know with an HTC phone absolutely hates it. And I'm not
    exaggerating when I say everybody. I almost took the plunge on one at
    the beginning of the year. I'm glad I waited and went for a Blackberry
    instead.

    >





  5. #20
    Joel Koltner
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    "The Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > The days of Apple dominance
    > in the portable music players are drawing to an end, and they are
    > destined to be the Sony of the early 21st century. The iPod will go the
    > way of the IIe.


    Mmm... not any time soon. Look at how long Dell has held on to their position
    as one of the most popular PC makers, even though hundreds if not thousands of
    companies manufacture PCs these days... and Apple has a lot more "enthusiasm"
    than Dell ever did.

    > Something else- I noticed that the Samusing is compatibile with many
    > more file formats than the iPhone- most notably .wma files.


    iPhones/iPods have *always* been less-featured in the "media player"
    department than many of their rivals; you have to keep in mind that most
    people just don't care: If an iPhone or iPod does waht the end user wants,
    they're happy.

    > I'm not. I can't think of a single situation where I would want to rely
    > on such a small screen to do any kind of serious browsing, much less
    > watch video of any substantial length. It's a headache waiting to
    > happen.


    Have you actually played with an iPhone? The user interface really is more
    intuitive/faster/easier to use than any other phone I've tried. Now, I'm
    sticking with Sprint and an HTC Touch since I want the extra features that
    allows, but I can definitely see why people love their iPhones. There really
    was some true innovation there, in the user interface. (It's telling that
    there have been so many articles on whether or not whatever-next-gen-phone is
    "an iPhone killer!") It's similar to the Nintendo Wii: Technology is
    sophisticated enough with any product today that most people buy particular
    brands more for the "ease of use" and "fashion appeal" than the raw technical
    merits.

    > Six months ago, I would have been right there with you. However,
    > everybody I know with an HTC phone absolutely hates it.


    I don't hate my HTC phone, and the things I don't like about it how a lot more
    to do with the operating system (Windows Mobile) than the phone itself.

    > I'm glad I waited and went for a Blackberry
    > instead.


    Pretty much any OS is better than Windows Mobile... the Blackberry OS, Palm,
    and (most certainly) the stripped-down version of the Mac OS on the iPhone.





  6. #21
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    At 19 Jun 2008 22:37:02 -0500 The Bob wrote:

    > The press is the one making the comparison, not the carriers or
    > manufacturers.



    True, because it's an old business axiom that's it typically folly to
    mention competing products by name, unless they're much bigger than you- i.e.
    Burger King might claim their Whopper beats a Big Mac, but McDonald's, with
    the much larger market share, wouldn't "lower themselves" by comparing
    themselves to Burger King.

    > > The iPhone offers tight iTunes
    > > integration for those who care,

    >
    > Soon to be a non-factor. Something that slipped quietly under the radar
    > (somewhat surprisingly) was the rollout yesterday of the entire
    > Universal music catalog for free by Qtrax, with full iPod compatibility.
    > Other labels will soon be following suit.


    I'm not talking about iTunes the music store, but iTunes the software.
    For some reason I'll never understand, people seem to think it's "easy to
    use." Perhaps I've used computers too long and the whole directory tree
    structure is too ingraned in my head, but I've never fould ANY music
    catalog/transfer software to be intuitive- not iTunes, not Windows Media
    Player, not Zune- none of them. I'm far more comfortable with drive-letter
    drag-n-drop transfers than using any of them.

    > The days of Apple dominance
    > in the portable music players are drawing to an end, and they are
    > destined to be the Sony of the early 21st century. The iPod will go the
    > way of the IIe.


    I doubt it. Sony lost their market because the product types they excelled
    at (cassette walkmans, portable CD players) became obsolete. While I'm not
    a big fan of the iPod UI or their limited file format compatibility, they
    are king of a product category (MP3 player) that'll be around awhile.


    > Something else- I noticed that the Samusing is compatibile with many
    > more file formats than the iPhone- most notably .wma files.


    F--k, any $15 USB stick MP3 player hanging on a Walmart peghook handles
    more formats than an iPod! ;-)

    > > plus, love it or hate it, the iPhone
    > > currently sets the standard for mobile browsers right now. It's
    > > frankly the only part of the iPhone that I, as a Windows Mobile user,
    > > am the slightest bit envious of.

    >
    > I'm not. I can't think of a single situation where I would want to rely
    > on such a small screen to do any kind of serious browsing, much less
    > watch video of any substantial length. It's a headache waiting to
    > happen.



    That's where we'll agree to disagree. My phone is my laptop- when I
    travel, I want my phone to do anything my laptop could. I'm annoyed when I
    have to drop my phone and grab a PC to hit a webpage the phone couldn't
    render.

    It's amazing how jaded we've become with the power of modern computers.
    Remember how big a deal Visicalc was? It revolutionized business running
    on computers with a few K of RAM and 40-character/line screens! Modern
    phones sport 64-128MB of RAM and VGA screens, and specs that blow away
    laptops of a decade ago. With a suitably large font and a practical input
    method, there's nothing wrong with computing on a 3-4" screen.


    > > I'd still take a Mogul over either, were
    > > it me, though. ;-)

    >
    >
    > Six months ago, I would have been right there with you. However,
    > everybody I know with an HTC phone absolutely hates it. And I'm not
    > exaggerating when I say everybody. I almost took the plunge on one at
    > the beginning of the year. I'm glad I waited and went for a Blackberry
    > instead.



    For the purposes of the discussion I was limiting myself to devices Sprint
    carries. HTCs can certainly be high-maintenance. I've used Windows Mobile
    since long before it was called that (I bought a Casio E-100 "Palm-Sized
    PC" back in 2000 or so) so I'm very comfortable with the platform. For all
    the crap WinMo takes about sluggishness, lockups, etc. I never had any real
    stability problems with WinMo until I used an HTC touchscreen phone.
    Whether the blame is with HTC, or with Microsoft, I couldn't tell you- the
    standalone WinMo PDAs (without phones) were rock-solid stable, my wife's
    non-touchscreen HTC WinMo Smartphone (HTC Excalibur/T-Mobile Dash) is also
    quite stable- that thing never needs resetting, (nor did my non-HTC Verizon
    Samsung i600 WinMo phone,) but the HTC touchscreen phones seem to be very
    problematic in terms of software stability.

    I'm really looking forward to Sony's upcoming WinMo phone (dare I say
    "iPhone killer"?) ;-), the Experia X1 and it's 800x480 display. I'm a
    little nervous though, because it's being OEM'd for Sony by HTC! (But so
    was my Dell Axim Pocket PC and that gave me years of great service- I'm
    tempted to think HTC can BUILD a good product to spec, but can't DESIGN one
    to save their lives!)





  7. #22
    The Bob
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    "Joel Koltner" <[email protected]> amazed us all with the
    following in news:[email protected]:

    > "The Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> The days of Apple dominance
    >> in the portable music players are drawing to an end, and they are
    >> destined to be the Sony of the early 21st century. The iPod will go
    >> the way of the IIe.

    >
    > Mmm... not any time soon. Look at how long Dell has held on to their
    > position as one of the most popular PC makers, even though hundreds if
    > not thousands of companies manufacture PCs these days... and Apple has
    > a lot more "enthusiasm" than Dell ever did.


    Bringing Dell into the conversation is irrelelvent. Apple always flames
    out- always. Although, the mention of Dell does show that the inability
    to maintain market share is not an industry trend.

    >
    >> Something else- I noticed that the Samusing is compatibile with many
    >> more file formats than the iPhone- most notably .wma files.

    >
    > iPhones/iPods have *always* been less-featured in the "media player"
    > department than many of their rivals; you have to keep in mind that
    > most people just don't care: If an iPhone or iPod does waht the end
    > user wants, they're happy.


    But now there is something that does more.

    >
    >> I'm not. I can't think of a single situation where I would want to
    >> rely on such a small screen to do any kind of serious browsing, much
    >> less watch video of any substantial length. It's a headache waiting
    >> to happen.

    >
    > Have you actually played with an iPhone?


    Many times and multiple hours over the last couple of months.


    > The user interface really is
    > more intuitive/faster/easier to use than any other phone I've tried.



    The interface is slick, but not a show stopeer. It is no more
    "intuititve" than many of the other phones I've tested.


    > Now, I'm sticking with Sprint and an HTC Touch since I want the extra
    > features that allows, but I can definitely see why people love their
    > iPhones. There really was some true innovation there, in the user
    > interface. (It's telling that there have been so many articles on
    > whether or not whatever-next-gen-phone is "an iPhone killer!") It's
    > similar to the Nintendo Wii: Technology is sophisticated enough with
    > any product today that most people buy particular brands more for the
    > "ease of use" and "fashion appeal" than the raw technical merits.



    But it sucks that they can not put together a consistently good phone.

    >
    >> Six months ago, I would have been right there with you. However,
    >> everybody I know with an HTC phone absolutely hates it.

    >
    > I don't hate my HTC phone, and the things I don't like about it how a
    > lot more to do with the operating system (Windows Mobile) than the
    > phone itself.
    >
    >> I'm glad I waited and went for a Blackberry
    >> instead.

    >
    > Pretty much any OS is better than Windows Mobile... the Blackberry OS,
    > Palm, and (most certainly) the stripped-down version of the Mac OS on
    > the iPhone.
    >
    >
    >





  8. #23
    Joel Koltner
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    "The Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Bringing Dell into the conversation is irrelelvent. Apple always flames
    > out- always.


    I haven't noticed any significant flame-outs in the past, say, decade... have
    you? Apple has been slowly gaining market share in pretty much every market
    they're involved with, AFAIK.

    > But it sucks that they can not put together a consistently good phone.


    When they've only released two models two date I'm not sure there's enough of
    a sample size to judge "consistentcy" yet.


    ---Joel





  9. #24
    AZ Nomad
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:16:14 -0600, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
    >For some reason I'll never understand, people seem to think it's "easy to
    >use." Perhaps I've used computers too long and the whole directory tree
    >structure is too ingraned in my head, but I've never fould ANY music
    >catalog/transfer software to be intuitive- not iTunes, not Windows Media
    >Player, not Zune- none of them. I'm far more comfortable with drive-letter
    >drag-n-drop transfers than using any of them.


    I agree. I've never liked any music mp3-tag based database for music
    selection. If I pull up a genre like jazz, I want to select the artist next.
    If I select an artist, I want to select album next. I don't want to see
    every single song in one long list. I want the ability to play an album.
    If tags are missing or wrong, I prefer the fallback of the directory structure
    where I've filed the song. I really hate not finding some music or audiobook
    because every third mp3 is filed with the 'unknown' author.

    First thing I did when I got an ipod was dump the software
    for rockbox where I have the choice.



  10. #25
    The Bob
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    "Joel Koltner" <[email protected]> amazed us all with the
    following in news:[email protected]:

    > "The Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Bringing Dell into the conversation is irrelelvent. Apple always
    >> flames out- always.

    >
    > I haven't noticed any significant flame-outs in the past, say,
    > decade... have you?



    Other than the iPod, what technology has Apple introduced in the last
    decade?

    > Apple has been slowly gaining market share in
    > pretty much every market they're involved with, AFAIK.


    The last market share report on computers showed a loss of share and was
    widely publicized.

    >
    >> But it sucks that they can not put together a consistently good
    >> phone.

    >
    > When they've only released two models two date I'm not sure there's
    > enough of a sample size to judge "consistentcy" yet.


    You do realize that the comment was directed at HTC phones and not the
    iPhone, don't you?

    >
    >
    > ---Joel
    >
    >
    >





  11. #26
    The Bob
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> amazed us all with the
    following in news:[email protected]:


    >
    >
    > For the purposes of the discussion I was limiting myself to devices
    > Sprint carries.


    Strangely enough, so was I, although I didn't make the connections when I
    posted the troubles.

    > HTCs can certainly be high-maintenance. I've used
    > Windows Mobile since long before it was called that (I bought a Casio
    > E-100 "Palm-Sized PC" back in 2000 or so) so I'm very comfortable with
    > the platform. For all the crap WinMo takes about sluggishness,
    > lockups, etc. I never had any real stability problems with WinMo until
    > I used an HTC touchscreen phone. Whether the blame is with HTC, or
    > with Microsoft, I couldn't tell you-


    Just based on the high number of complaints I hear about HTC phones and the
    far smaller number of complaints about other Win-Mo phones, I have to
    believe it is a manufacturing problem.

    > the standalone WinMo PDAs
    > (without phones) were rock-solid stable, my wife's non-touchscreen HTC
    > WinMo Smartphone (HTC Excalibur/T-Mobile Dash) is also quite stable-
    > that thing never needs resetting, (nor did my non-HTC Verizon Samsung
    > i600 WinMo phone,) but the HTC touchscreen phones seem to be very
    > problematic in terms of software stability.
    >
    > I'm really looking forward to Sony's upcoming WinMo phone (dare I say
    > "iPhone killer"?) ;-), the Experia X1 and it's 800x480 display. I'm a
    > little nervous though, because it's being OEM'd for Sony by HTC! (But
    > so was my Dell Axim Pocket PC and that gave me years of great service-
    > I'm tempted to think HTC can BUILD a good product to spec, but can't
    > DESIGN one to save their lives!)
    >
    >
    >





  12. #27
    AZ Nomad
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:13:57 -0500, The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
    >"Joel Koltner" <[email protected]> amazed us all with the
    >following in news:[email protected]:


    >> "The Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> Bringing Dell into the conversation is irrelelvent. Apple always
    >>> flames out- always.

    >>
    >> I haven't noticed any significant flame-outs in the past, say,
    >> decade... have you?



    >Other than the iPod, what technology has Apple introduced in the last
    >decade


    Like the iphone?

    Or the various different ipods including the nano?

    What would qualify as introduced technology? Does it have to have a patent?

    Has dell ever created anything new? Some would say that microsoft has
    never introduced anything new. ****, they still haven't embraced 60's
    technology and protected the OS from its users.



  13. #28
    Dutch
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    AZ Nomad wrote:

    > On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:13:57 -0500, The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>"Joel Koltner" <[email protected]> amazed us all with the
    >>following in news:[email protected]:

    >
    >>> "The Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>> Bringing Dell into the conversation is irrelelvent. Apple always
    >>>> flames out- always.
    >>>
    >>> I haven't noticed any significant flame-outs in the past, say,
    >>> decade... have you?

    >
    >>Other than the iPod, what technology has Apple introduced in the last
    >>decade

    >
    > Like the iphone?
    >
    > Or the various different ipods including the nano?
    >
    > What would qualify as introduced technology? Does it have to have a patent?
    >
    > Has dell ever created anything new? Some would say that microsoft has
    > never introduced anything new. ****, they still haven't embraced 60's
    > technology and protected the OS from its users.


    I didn't count them...

    Dell Patents: http://preview.tinyurl.com/67jx2a

    --
    Dutch
    Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m
    tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008



  14. #29
    The Bob
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    AZ Nomad <[email protected]> amazed us all with the
    following in
    news:[email protected]:

    > On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:13:57 -0500, The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>"Joel Koltner" <[email protected]> amazed us all with the
    >>following in news:[email protected]:

    >
    >>> "The Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>> Bringing Dell into the conversation is irrelelvent. Apple always
    >>>> flames out- always.
    >>>
    >>> I haven't noticed any significant flame-outs in the past, say,
    >>> decade... have you?

    >
    >
    >>Other than the iPod, what technology has Apple introduced in the last
    >>decade

    >
    > Like the iphone?


    The iPhone is a cell phone. Cell phones had been around for yearts before
    Apple started producing one.

    >
    > Or the various different ipods including the nano?


    Did you miss the "Other than the iPod portion of the statement?

    >
    > What would qualify as introduced technology?


    Technology of an emerging nature, as opposed to the production of mature
    technology. The iPod would qualify, as it was emerging technoplogy. The
    IIe would qualify, as it was emerging technology.

    > Does it have to have a
    > patent?


    Doesn't matter to me.

    >
    > Has dell ever created anything new? Some would say that microsoft has
    > never introduced anything new. ****, they still haven't embraced 60's
    > technology and protected the OS from its users.


    And yet they are both market share leaders in their fields. Apple used to
    lead in both markets and flamed out.

    >





  15. #30
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

    At 20 Jun 2008 13:42:24 -0500 AZ Nomad wrote:
    > > I'm far more comfortable with drive-letter
    > >drag-n-drop transfers than using any of them.

    >
    > I agree. I've never liked any music mp3-tag based database for music
    > selection. If I pull up a genre like jazz, I want to select the artist

    next.
    > If I select an artist, I want to select album next. I don't want to see
    > every single song in one long list. I want the ability to play an album.
    > If tags are missing or wrong, I prefer the fallback of the directory

    structure
    > where I've filed the song. I really hate not finding some music or

    audiobook
    > because every third mp3 is filed with the 'unknown' author.



    LOL! It's even worse on my WinMo phone since every system sound and
    ringtone gets lumped in the library!


    > First thing I did when I got an ipod was dump the software
    > for rockbox where I have the choice.



    On my phone I use TCPMP (The Core Project Media Player) since it has a
    "play all songs in folder" option that Windows Media Player Mobile lacks.





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