iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:47:14 -0400, News <[email protected]> wrote:


>And how well does the elegant handoff work when you keep walking,
>running, or driving on by?

There is no such thing, as the tone of your message indicates
you already knew.

I thought that the topic was the ubiquity of available means
of getting Internet access in congested metropolitan areas, sorry.

DGI

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"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Justin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > they, like me, live in more advanced areas... free wifi is
>> > everywhere.
>>
>> You're either a liar or a thief.
>>
>> Free wifi is nowhere near everywhere.
>
> i said: "in more advanced areas"
>
> learn to read.

OK, I can read. Please name the "advanced area" you live in and some
other places you put in that category.

SMS wrote:
> Dutch wrote:
>> Oxford wrote:
>>
>>> DTC <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oxford wrote:
>>>>> Truephone! so, say goodbye to the monopoly of Cell Phones!!!!
>>>> From the Truphone website: "Low cost calls wherever you are"
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm.....I wonder where this all over WiFi they are imagining is?
>>> they, like me, live in more advanced areas... free wifi is everywhere.
>>
>> Thanks for confirming that you don't live in the real world.
>>
>> I'm posting this as my wife drives our motorhome on I-90 at 65 MPH. Try
>> that with your "wifi is everywhere"...
>
> Alas, free Wi-Fi is shrinking too. They just shut down the Metro-Fi
> system in my area last week. Metro-Fi could be a case study in bad
> marketing and unrealistic expectations.
>
> If you know where to go, you can still find free Wi-Fi networks at many
> restaurants and public areas, but the dream of ubiquitous free Wi-Fi is
> dead for now.

But wait, didn't "oxford" claim it was a simple matter to convert
existing analog TV *transmitters* to WiMAX?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, David G. Imber posted:
> OTOH, when I
> travel to Japan the situation is just the opposite. Although it's the
> second most wired country on earth, wifi is extremely hard to find.

Golly gee, when I pointed out the situation in Japan, the Apple fanboys
insisted that I didn't know what I was talking about. According to the
fanboys, free open Wi-Fi is everywhere in Japan.

The majority of Wi-Fi access points in Japan are WPA-protected. About
half are hidden. Of the non-WPA networks, the majority either have MAC
address filtering or require a login.

Most private residential Wi-Fi access points are hidden, WPA-protected,
*and* MAC address filtered.

> If
> anyone's planning a trip there, plan to visit McDonalds a lot. Not
> every store has it, but many do, even in remote places.

It does not surprise me that the sort of person who thinks that Wi-Fi is
everywhere in Japan eats a lot at McDonalds... ;-)

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Oxford posted:
> use Skype if you want, you have choices.
> http://www.fring.com/download/iphone/

Fring requires a jailbroken iPhone.

The Apple fanboys claim that there isn't any need to jailbreak now that
2.0 is out.

They seem to have a difficult time keeping their story straight!

-- Mark --

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Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:36:11 -0700, Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Golly gee, when I pointed out the situation in Japan, the Apple fanboys
>insisted that I didn't know what I was talking about. According to the
>fanboys, free open Wi-Fi is everywhere in Japan.

I wish.


>It does not surprise me that the sort of person who thinks that Wi-Fi is
>everywhere in Japan eats a lot at McDonalds... ;-)

Japan is probably the only place I eat that stuff, just to
thank them for the (rather slow but serviceable) wifi.

DGI

"Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > they, like me, live in more advanced areas... free wifi is everywhere.
>
> Hey Oxy - just WHERE is this magical place you refer to?
> You go on and on about "facts' - here's you opportunity to actually present
> one.
>
> So..... WHERE? Put up or shut up.

the most affluent university town in the midwest, and smallest town in
the world that has it's own apple store, that's enough info.

Justin <[email protected]> wrote:

> > I'm not taking sides here, please believe me about that. But I
> > must say that here in NYC, wifi is, if not everywhere, really easy to
> > find. If I need to use my notebook someplace and can't pick up a
> > usable signal, I usually need only walk down the block.
>
> So, you agree then. It's not available everywhere. You need to go down
> the block to find some.
> Even in NYC, a densely packed "advanced area".

don't make me laugh, NYC is a technological backwater, anything on the
east cost is about 8 years behind the west coast when it comes to
technology.

NYC "advanced"... what a hoot!

> This still doesn't talk of the way that it's impossible to roam from one
> Wifi network to another, either.

nah, you can do it with many basestations, you need to set it up.
apple's airport's have had it since 2002 or so.

Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> > use Skype if you want, you have choices.
> > http://www.fring.com/download/iphone/
>
> Fring requires a jailbroken iPhone.
>
> The Apple fanboys claim that there isn't any need to jailbreak now that
> 2.0 is out.
>
> They seem to have a difficult time keeping their story straight!

no Mark, it's not a matter of keeping facts straight, it's a matter of
understanding the iPhone world changed last friday (July 11) and now
anyone can develop for the iPhone without having to jailbreak the iphone.

so the "options" have changed and it's going to take you a little while
to understand it.

most all apps that required "jailbraking" are being updated as we speak
and will have the new versions in a few weeks.

please try and keep up!

Oxford wrote:
> Justin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> I'm not taking sides here, please believe me about that. But I
>>> must say that here in NYC, wifi is, if not everywhere, really easy to
>>> find. If I need to use my notebook someplace and can't pick up a
>>> usable signal, I usually need only walk down the block.
>> So, you agree then. It's not available everywhere. You need to go down
>> the block to find some.
>> Even in NYC, a densely packed "advanced area".
>
> don't make me laugh, NYC is a technological backwater, anything on the
> east cost is about 8 years behind the west coast when it comes to
> technology.
>
> NYC "advanced"... what a hoot!

But you claimed that WiFi was *everywhere*. Not just in "advanced"
locations such as your parent's basement.



>
>> This still doesn't talk of the way that it's impossible to roam from one
>> Wifi network to another, either.
>
> nah, you can do it with many basestations, you need to set it up.
> apple's airport's have had it since 2002 or so.

If you need to set something up by definition it doesn't exist.

Oxford <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in news:apony-
[email protected]:

> Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > use Skype if you want, you have choices.
>> > http://www.fring.com/download/iphone/
>>
>> Fring requires a jailbroken iPhone.
>>
>> The Apple fanboys claim that there isn't any need to jailbreak now that
>> 2.0 is out.
>>
>> They seem to have a difficult time keeping their story straight!
>
> no Mark, it's not a matter of keeping facts straight, it's a matter of
> understanding the iPhone world changed last friday (July 11) and now
> anyone can develop for the iPhone without having to jailbreak the iphone.
>
Anyone? I can post iPhone applications to a website and phones will be
able to d/l them? Without Apple interference?

"Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> Hmmm
> http://www.aeanet.org/publications/i...8_overview.asp
> "The leading metro areas by high-tech employment in 2006 were the New
> York Metro Area (316,500), Washington, DC (295,800), San Jose/Silicon
> Valley (225,300), Boston (191,700), and Dallas-Fort Worth (176,000)."
>
>
And..... the next bullet point down...

Seattle led the nation in net tech job creation in 2006, adding 7,800 jobs.

OxTARD is now shown his complete and total ignorance about two cities.

Oxy, what metro area to you want to piss off next (and certainly be mistaken about)?

"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > they, like me, live in more advanced areas... free wifi is everywhere.
>>
>> Hey Oxy - just WHERE is this magical place you refer to?
>> You go on and on about "facts' - here's you opportunity to actually present
>> one.
>>
>> So..... WHERE? Put up or shut up.
>
> the most affluent university town in the midwest, and smallest town in
> the world that has it's own apple store, that's enough info.

No, it's not - it's you dodging a direct question - again.

OxTARD - ZERO facts, as usual.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Oxford posted:
> no Mark, it's not a matter of keeping facts straight, it's a matter of
> understanding the iPhone world changed last friday (July 11) and now
> anyone can develop for the iPhone without having to jailbreak the iphone.

Anyone could develop for the iPhone before July 11. Nothing changed on
July 11 with regard to thta.

However, without jailbreaking or (since July 11) paying a tax to Apple,
nobody can install what they develop on the iPhone.

> so the "options" have changed and it's going to take you a little while
> to understand it.

The only thing that has changed is that Apple now has an applications
store with half a dozen flashlight programs.

> most all apps that required "jailbraking" are being updated as we speak
> and will have the new versions in a few weeks.

The word is "jailbreaking", not "jailbraking". Look in your dictionary to
find the difference between "break" and "brake". Assuming that you are
literate enough to know how to use a dictionary.

The iTunes store has no Skype. No Finder. No Terminal. No SSH. No
MxTube. No alternative media player. No Installer. No editors. No
interface customizers. And it never will. Apple forbids such programs.

I have 43 applications installed on my jailbroken iPod Touch via
Installer. None of them are available via the iTunes Store.

Only one application has an equivalent: MobileTwitter in Installer vs.
Twittelator in the iTunes Store. However, Twittelator crashes all the
time and/or gives an error message when I try to access my friends'
twitters. MobileTwitter just works. There's another Twitter client in
the iTunes Store, but either I have to pay $10 or be subject to
advertising.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

George <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Alas, free Wi-Fi is shrinking too. They just shut down the Metro-Fi
> > system in my area last week. Metro-Fi could be a case study in bad
> > marketing and unrealistic expectations.
> >
> > If you know where to go, you can still find free Wi-Fi networks at many
> > restaurants and public areas, but the dream of ubiquitous free Wi-Fi is
> > dead for now.
>
> But wait, didn't "oxford" claim it was a simple matter to convert
> existing analog TV *transmitters* to WiMAX?

we'll see george, the wimax rollout is just getting started... the cards
are now ready for the MacBook / MacBook Pros

http://blogs.computerworld.com/wimax...d_macbook_pros

my area is getting free public wimax, so everyone is gearing up...