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  1. #1
    David G. Imber
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    I've been searching for a smart phone that will let my wife
    and I read and write in Japanese and not have to switch to AT&T (ge:
    iPhone).

    It's a long shot, but the HTC Mogul with a third party app
    (http://www.mobem.com/products/CE-Star.php) might do the trick.

    I know there's been some discussion of the Mogul here before,
    but as I wasn't in the market, I ignored it.

    Would anyone care to share an overall appraisal?

    Thanks very much, DGI




    See More: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul




  2. #2
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul


    "David G. Imber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:9p0t74l***[email protected]
    > I've been searching for a smart phone that will let my wife
    > and I read and write in Japanese and not have to switch to AT&T (ge:
    > iPhone).
    >
    > It's a long shot, but the HTC Mogul with a third party app
    > (http://www.mobem.com/products/CE-Star.php) might do the trick.


    Interesting- the addition of Japanese support seems recent- IIRC, earlier
    versions were Chinese only.

    The program has been around for years, and generally gets good feedback on
    the WinMo newsgroups, but again, that was for it's Chinese support, and
    perhaps because it's the only game in town. Unlike some competiting
    programs it works in any program on the device- not just certain apps (like,
    for example, Word Mobile.)

    > I know there's been some discussion of the Mogul here before,
    > but as I wasn't in the market, I ignored it.
    >
    > Would anyone care to share an overall appraisal?
    >
    > Thanks very much, DGI


    I've never used the Mogul (I've never used Sprint) but the relatively low
    memory (64MB) would scare me off. Windows Mobile 5 and 6 have some memory
    "leak" problems, (that are supposedly corrected in the upcoming WM 6.1) in
    which opening and closing programs repetedly doesn't correctly return memory
    to the system, causing the device to slowly run out of memory with use until
    you need to reboot. Larger memoried (128MB) devices don't "fix" the leak
    problem, but have enough memory to spare that it takes a long time to stall
    the device. I rebooted my 64MB at least once a day- often twice with high
    usage. My AT&T Tilt can run for days on end without a reset.

    If possible, I'd wait for a newer (128MB or higher) device, or at least an
    official WM 6.1 upgrade to see if the problem is fixed.






  3. #3
    John Yossarian
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    Re: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul

    On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:28:49 -0400, David G. Imber
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I've been searching for a smart phone that will let my wife
    >and I read and write in Japanese and not have to switch to AT&T (ge:
    >iPhone).
    >
    > It's a long shot, but the HTC Mogul with a third party app
    >(http://www.mobem.com/products/CE-Star.php) might do the trick.
    >
    > I know there's been some discussion of the Mogul here before,
    >but as I wasn't in the market, I ignored it.
    >
    > Would anyone care to share an overall appraisal?
    >
    > Thanks very much, DGI


    I like mine a lot, but I did find that I needed some third party
    applications to really make it complete. The memory leak that Todd
    Allcock references in this thread is an issue, but third part software
    will reclaim this quickly (I'm using SKTools). The latest ROM to
    include a task manager that actually lets you close a program by
    hitting X (instead of the old action of minimizing it) helps as well.

    I've only found one application that this device doesn't have the
    memory to support, Zumobi. Other than that, my only complaint is that
    the stylus became loose after a couple of months...a problem that,
    after doing a web search, I have discovered is not unusual with many
    HTC devices.

    Performance and data speeds are the best of any device I currently or
    have previously owned, but I am sure that the next year or two will
    render this (and many other devices) obsolete. Such is the nature of
    this industry.



  4. #4
    Roger 2008
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    Re: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul


    "John Yossarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > Other than that, my only complaint is that
    > the stylus became loose after a couple of months...a problem that,
    > after doing a web search, I have discovered is not unusual with many
    > HTC devices.


    Yes, my stylus became loose too and then I ended up breaking that little
    part off that you use to remove it from the Mogul. I went to a local Sprint
    store and showed them what happened and they were nice enough to give me a
    new stylus.

    I'm actually on my second Mogul since most all the buttons, except the power
    button quit working on my first Mogul and the Sprint Store replaced that
    Mogul without any questions.

    That Memory leak problem mentioned by both the other posters on this thread
    is bad and it is an even bigger issue when you use a Bluetooth GPS.

    Sure the Mogul has a built-in GPS but my Garmin software does not work with
    the internal GPS. I use a Garmin Mobile 10 with Garmin Mobile XT software
    and once it drops the Bluetooth connection and normally out of the blue the
    only way to get the bluetooth connection back is to restart the Mogul.

    I won't even run Microsoft Live Search anymore since I always have to
    restart the Mogul after using it. It wasn't as bad with their earlier
    version but if you try to run that version it will constantly notify you
    about an upgrade.

    I'll tell you what I like about the Mogul. The Bluetooth PAN does pretty
    good going to a laptop even though it will drop connection at least once in
    one hour.

    I have a program where I can use the Mogul for Bluetooth Dialup access and
    that really comes in handy when you want internet access on an iPAQ. Once
    you have installed that program on the Mogul all you have to do to get a
    connection between an iPAQ 210 and the Mogul is start Internet Explorer on
    the iPAQ. The iPAQ will do the rest. With BT PAN you pretty much have to
    make your connection by hand all the time and once that connection breaks
    you have to press the "connect" button on the Mogul to restart that
    connection.

    I have a program called WMWiFiRouter that will let me transfer the internet
    from my Mogul to another device and it is pretty cool but it doesn't always
    work between two cell phones and the BT DUN always works between two
    cellphones..

    In summation. I like the Mogul even with all it's quirks but if your in no
    hurry I'd wait for a device with Windows 6.1 and see how those reviews go.





  5. #5
    Kim Groves
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    Re: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul

    I have had a mogul for about a year. I can't find another phone I would
    recommend over it, partially because I want a touch screen and WM6 due to
    the types of programs I am presently using. I did have to replace the phone
    twice. Once was because it wouldn't sync, and I could find no reason for
    this problem. The phone was replaced for free. The second replacement was
    because the phone would not charge... I had a bent pin in the mini-usb slot,
    and even straightening out the pin didn't fix the issue. I then bought the
    insurance on the phone, and subsequently, I have had no problem at all with
    my phone for perhaps 8 months.

    I still like it. I couldn't recommend any other phone over it, but I don't
    switch phones every month. BT connectivity in my car "sucks" (sounds like I
    am in a well), which I have read relates to a "bluetooth stack" issue that
    is experenced by Windoze Mobile phones and had not been corrected by HTC.
    Perhaps the new 6.1 rom will help.




    "John Yossarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:ntr4841020o053b7jt4iv6[email protected]
    > On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:28:49 -0400, David G. Imber
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> I've been searching for a smart phone that will let my wife
    >>and I read and write in Japanese and not have to switch to AT&T (ge:
    >>iPhone).
    >>
    >> It's a long shot, but the HTC Mogul with a third party app
    >>(http://www.mobem.com/products/CE-Star.php) might do the trick.
    >>
    >> I know there's been some discussion of the Mogul here before,
    >>but as I wasn't in the market, I ignored it.
    >>
    >> Would anyone care to share an overall appraisal?
    >>
    >> Thanks very much, DGI

    >
    > I like mine a lot, but I did find that I needed some third party
    > applications to really make it complete. The memory leak that Todd
    > Allcock references in this thread is an issue, but third part software
    > will reclaim this quickly (I'm using SKTools). The latest ROM to
    > include a task manager that actually lets you close a program by
    > hitting X (instead of the old action of minimizing it) helps as well.
    >
    > I've only found one application that this device doesn't have the
    > memory to support, Zumobi. Other than that, my only complaint is that
    > the stylus became loose after a couple of months...a problem that,
    > after doing a web search, I have discovered is not unusual with many
    > HTC devices.
    >
    > Performance and data speeds are the best of any device I currently or
    > have previously owned, but I am sure that the next year or two will
    > render this (and many other devices) obsolete. Such is the nature of
    > this industry.






  6. #6
    bob smith
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    Re: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul

    I have had the mogul for about 8 months. I would say that definitely
    the strength of the mogul is the keyboard and the battery size. The
    weakness as mentioned before is the lack of RAM.

    This phone/PDA is very good if you run a custom ROM. I have been using
    the No2CHem 2.2 5770 Preview 8 and it has been pretty good. Windows
    Mobile 6.1 has been made available through custom ROMS for quite some
    time now and the evolution of such has made the phone very usable. I
    use Memmaid to close apps and clear RAM so that the phone is very stable.

    check out www.ppcgeeks.com for more info

    David G. Imber wrote:
    > I've been searching for a smart phone that will let my wife
    > and I read and write in Japanese and not have to switch to AT&T (ge:
    > iPhone).
    >
    > It's a long shot, but the HTC Mogul with a third party app
    > (http://www.mobem.com/products/CE-Star.php) might do the trick.
    >
    > I know there's been some discussion of the Mogul here before,
    > but as I wasn't in the market, I ignored it.
    >
    > Would anyone care to share an overall appraisal?
    >
    > Thanks very much, DGI
    >




  7. #7
    Roger 2008
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    Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)


    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > My AT&T Tilt can run for days on end without a reset.


    Still on the old subject. Yesterday I found out my Mogul works with a 16Gig
    micro SDHC card.

    Now, about the "Tilt." I found out when you set a "Tilt" down on a table it
    is a tilted "Tilt" since it doesn't sit real flat because of the protrusions
    on the bottom.





  8. #8
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)

    At 09 Nov 2008 09:45:22 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:

    > Now, about the "Tilt." I found out when you set a "Tilt" down on a table

    it
    > is a tilted "Tilt" since it doesn't sit real flat because of the

    protrusions
    > on the bottom.


    True. It sits steady, however,(not rocking like a table with one short
    leg!) so it doesn't seem to be a problem. In addition, the rubber
    protrusion it rests on keeps it from slipping, and raises the back enough
    for the rear-mounted speaker to be heard.





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    Roger 2008
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    Re: Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)


    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > At 09 Nov 2008 09:45:22 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:
    >
    > > Now, about the "Tilt." I found out when you set a "Tilt" down on a

    table
    > it
    > > is a tilted "Tilt" since it doesn't sit real flat because of the

    > protrusions
    > > on the bottom.

    >
    > True. It sits steady, however,(not rocking like a table with one short
    > leg!) so it doesn't seem to be a problem. In addition, the rubber
    > protrusion it rests on keeps it from slipping, and raises the back enough
    > for the rear-mounted speaker to be heard.


    Out of curiosity have you ever connected to your "Tilt" with Bluetooth Dial
    Up Networking and got to the internet?

    TIA





  10. #10
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)

    At 09 Nov 2008 17:33:40 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:

    > Out of curiosity have you ever connected to your "Tilt" with Bluetooth

    Dial
    > Up Networking and got to the internet?
    >


    Yeah, but I only use it as a last resort- my Tilt is unlocked and I use on
    T-Mo's painfully slow EDGE network. For whatever reason, the folks at AT&T
    include two tethering programs, Internet Sharing and Wireless Modem.






  11. #11
    Roger 2008
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    Re: Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)


    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > At 09 Nov 2008 17:33:40 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:
    >
    > > Out of curiosity have you ever connected to your "Tilt" with Bluetooth

    > Dial
    > > Up Networking and got to the internet?
    > >

    >
    > Yeah, but I only use it as a last resort- my Tilt is unlocked and I use on
    > T-Mo's painfully slow EDGE network. For whatever reason, the folks at

    AT&T
    > include two tethering programs, Internet Sharing and Wireless Modem.


    I've been messing with an "unlocked" Tilt myself and and the "EDGE" network
    is "painfully slow" but where I live the EDGE network is a lot faster than
    it used to be. The "EDGE" network isn't as fast as Sprint's EVDO but it is
    fast enough for a Slingbox.

    I've messed with a HTC P4300 and the Bluetooth DUN works just great with a
    HTC P4300 but on an "unlocked" Tilt I always get the error "no modem found
    on that number."

    Here, let me give you an example of what you can do with BT DUN. You can
    turn your phone on and put it in your pocket. You can turn your laptop on
    and click on the Internet icon and in less than 12 seconds it will
    automatically dial into the BT DUN on a phone and you will have internet.
    Once BT DUN is setup it works as easy as using a dialup modem but it is a
    lot faster and you don't need any wires.

    That is why I was asking about BT DUN and thanks for the info.





  12. #12
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)

    At 11 Nov 2008 07:11:49 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:

    > I've messed with a HTC P4300 and the Bluetooth DUN works just great with a
    > HTC P4300 but on an "unlocked" Tilt I always get the error "no modem found
    > on that number."
    >
    > Here, let me give you an example of what you can do with BT DUN. You can
    > turn your phone on and put it in your pocket. You can turn your laptop on
    > and click on the Internet icon and in less than 12 seconds it will
    > automatically dial into the BT DUN on a phone and you will have internet.
    > Once BT DUN is setup it works as easy as using a dialup modem but it is a
    > lot faster and you don't need any wires.
    >
    > That is why I was asking about BT DUN and thanks for the info.



    I probably should qualify that I glossed over the "DUN" part of your post.
    What I actually use is BT PAN (Personal Area Networking) rather than DUN.
    With PAN, the Tilt acts more like an AP than a modem.





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    Roger 2008
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    Re: Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)


    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > I probably should qualify that I glossed over the "DUN" part of your post.
    > What I actually use is BT PAN (Personal Area Networking) rather than DUN.
    > With PAN, the Tilt acts more like an AP than a modem.


    Thanks for the input but the reason I asked about BT DUN instead of BT PAN
    is because I've used both and I like BT DUN better for what I do with it.

    BT PAN requires that you set it up each and every time you use it where BT
    DUN only has to be setup once. And BT DUN works with more devices than BT
    PAN.

    The only advanage to BT PAN that I've seen is you can have the Internet on
    your Phone and the device connected to it at the same time but that is not
    always true since that didn't work when my Sprint Mogul had WM6.1. Notice I
    stated "had" because I went back to WM6.0 on my Sprint Mogul so I could put
    the sharing back in "Internet Sharing."

    Thanks again for the input and I'll keep looking for someone that has used
    BT DUN on a "Tilt."





  14. #14
    Todd Allcock
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    BT DUN on Tilt/TyTn II/Kaiser (was Re: Tilt)

    I added this to microspft.public.pocketpc as well, since you've posted there
    as well, and we might keep any discoveries in a single thread.

    "Roger 2008" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > BT PAN requires that you set it up each and every time you use it where BT
    > DUN only has to be setup once. And BT DUN works with more devices than BT
    > PAN.


    I'm not sure what you mean by "set it up." With either PAN on my Tilt, or
    BT DUN on my old WM5 MDA/Wizard you had to fire up an app every time
    (Internet Sharing for PAN, "Modem Link" for DUN on the Wizard, which was
    fairly similar to the "Wireless Modem" app on the Tilt. So it was just as
    akward to use BT DUN as BT PAN, but, as you say, DUN is compatible with more
    devices.

    > The only advanage to BT PAN that I've seen is you can have the Internet on
    > your Phone and the device connected to it at the same time but that is not
    > always true since that didn't work when my Sprint Mogul had WM6.1. Notice
    > I
    > stated "had" because I went back to WM6.0 on my Sprint Mogul so I could
    > put
    > the sharing back in "Internet Sharing."


    Was that a bug, or something Sprint somehow disabled until you add the
    appropriate feature ($$$)?

    > Thanks again for the input and I'll keep looking for someone that has used
    > BT DUN on a "Tilt."


    Good luck! A Google search only turned up people having problems getting it
    to work! I just spent the last half-hour trying it myself and getting
    nowhere. I can establish a BT pairing to the Tilt, DUN is listed as an
    available service, I select it, attempt to dial, but the Tilt just refuses
    to dial any phone number! (I remembered to stop the current data connection
    first- it's always connected due to my push email and the current connection
    seems to annoy the Wireless Modem program. Hey, HTC, how about a dialog box
    asking if you want to terminate the current data call?)

    I tried the standard *99# GPRS connection number, then I tried a dial up ISP
    (T-Mobile, my carrier, supports dialup CSD), and even my home telephone
    number, just to see if it would ring! The Tilt just sits there. But PAN
    works 100%, every time. My Google search showed that some seem to have got
    DUN working on USB if they install the AT&T Connection Manager software to
    load the USB drivers (but BT shouldn't need any drivers!) I stopped short
    of trying that.

    While I also prefer DUN, it simply isn't worth the headache! :-( I was even
    able to connect my old Dell Axim X5 (Pocket PC 2003) to the Tilt via PAN,
    but couldn't get it to connect via DUN!

    Sorry, Roger, I'm done with this one! There are too many acceptable and
    easier alternatives, like PAN or even WiFiRouter (turns your WinMo phone
    into a WiFi AP using the cellular data connection as a source.) Good luck!






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    Roger 2008
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    Re: BT DUN on Tilt/TyTn II/Kaiser (was Re: Tilt)


    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > I'm not sure what you mean by "set it up." With either PAN on my Tilt, or
    > BT DUN on my old WM5 MDA/Wizard you had to fire up an app every time


    I too have an "old WM5 Wizard" and I found out by accident I didn't have to
    use "Modem Link" for BT DUN to work.

    At the very most I had to make sure the internet was working on the "old WM5
    Wizard" first but I found around that too. I found out if I automatically
    checked my e-mail every minute or two on the Wizard it would start an
    internet connection automatically shortly after I turned it on. That is
    what I mean by I didn't have to "set it up each and every time" just turn it
    on.

    BTW thanks to a post from "Todd Wadd" on 3/22/2008 I can use my Sprint Mogul
    as a BT DUN connection to the internet too.


    > Was that a bug, or something Sprint somehow disabled until you add the
    > appropriate feature ($$$)?


    If you look at the "Internet Sharing" program on a Sprint Mogul all you can
    choose with WM6.1 is "USB" or "Bluetooth PAN."

    It seems the "Network Connection" is hardcoded to "Phone as Modem" and I
    always had to set it to "Sprint PCS" if I wanted it to share the internet.
    BTW after I noticed my Mogul with WM6.1 wouldn't share the internet I went
    back to WM6.0 on it.


    > I tried the standard *99# GPRS connection number, then I tried a dial up

    ISP
    > (T-Mobile, my carrier, supports dialup CSD), and even my home telephone
    > number, just to see if it would ring! The Tilt just sits there. But PAN
    > works 100%, every time. My Google search showed that some seem to have

    got
    > DUN working on USB if they install the AT&T Connection Manager software to
    > load the USB drivers (but BT shouldn't need any drivers!) I stopped short
    > of trying that.


    Thank you kindly for your input and yes, I too have had trouble with the BT
    DUN on a "Tilt" and BT PAN works 100% every time." I even tried PDANet on
    the "Tilt" and didn't get anywhere.


    > While I also prefer DUN, it simply isn't worth the headache! :-( I was

    even
    > able to connect my old Dell Axim X5 (Pocket PC 2003) to the Tilt via PAN,
    > but couldn't get it to connect via DUN!
    >
    > Sorry, Roger, I'm done with this one! There are too many acceptable and
    > easier alternatives, like PAN or even WiFiRouter (turns your WinMo phone
    > into a WiFi AP using the cellular data connection as a source.) Good

    luck!

    You have done more than I asked for and thanks.

    BTW I have used WMWiFiRouter on my Mogul but it generated a lot of heat even
    with the screen turned off. Once I found out I could get my Mogul to work
    with BT DUN I haven't used WMWiFiRouter much unless if I want to show it off
    to someone.

    Once again Thank you so much for all your input on the BT DUN on the "Tilt."
    That was exactly what I wanted to know about.





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