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Hi,

I should first explain that I've been using "traditional" PCS phones
for awhile -- no wireless web, vision, or anything like that. My
phones have been able to receive text messages (and numeric pages from
the voicemail system), but that's about it as far as non-voice
capabilities go.

In getting my new phone, I have come to realize a rather confusing
array of different things, including apparently several different ways
to get text messages to a Sprint phone.

Here are my questions:

1. messaging.sprintpcs.com still allows one to compose a "one-way
message", which I assume is the text messaging I've been familiar
to. Has Sprint at one time or another called this "wireless web
messaging" as well, or is that something different? And how can
there be anything but a "one-way" message?

2. With vision, there appears to be some other way to receive e-mail
on the phone. What is the utility of this, given that it's already
possible to e-mail the phone @messaging.sprintpcs.com?

3. What exactly is "PCS Short Mail"? Is it the traditional messaging,
or the Vision e-mail messaging, or something in-between?

4. Will my Vision phone be able to send a traditional text message to
my wife's non-Vision phone (even though she couldn't respond
directly from her phone)?

5. Can a PCS Vision phone use Wireless Web technology? (Perhaps the
cheaper monthly cost of that appeals to me, despite the lower
feature set.)

I've tried asking all these questions of Sprint reps at one time or
another, but they seem to lack the expertise to explain them very
well to someone a little out of date like me...

Thanks,
John

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John Goerzen wrote:
> *Hi,
>
> I should first explain that I've been using "traditional" PCS phones
> for awhile -- no wireless web, vision, or anything like that. My
> phones have been able to receive text messages (and numeric pages
> from
> the voicemail system), but that's about it as far as non-voice
> capabilities go.
>
> In getting my new phone, I have come to realize a rather confusing
> array of different things, including apparently several different
> ways
> to get text messages to a Sprint phone.
>
> Here are my questions:
>
> 1. messaging.sprintpcs.com still allows one to compose a "one-way
> message", which I assume is the text messaging I've been familiar
> to. Has Sprint at one time or another called this "wireless web
> messaging" as well, or is that something different? And how can
> there be anything but a "one-way" message?
>
> 2. With vision, there appears to be some other way to receive e-mail
> on the phone. What is the utility of this, given that it's already
> possible to e-mail the phone @messaging.sprintpcs.com?
>
> 3. What exactly is "PCS Short Mail"? Is it the traditional
> messaging,
> or the Vision e-mail messaging, or something in-between?
>
> 4. Will my Vision phone be able to send a traditional text message
> to
> my wife's non-Vision phone (even though she couldn't respond
> directly from her phone)?
>
> 5. Can a PCS Vision phone use Wireless Web technology? (Perhaps the
> cheaper monthly cost of that appeals to me, despite the lower
> feature set.)
>
> I've tried asking all these questions of Sprint reps at one time or
> another, but they seem to lack the expertise to explain them very
> well to someone a little out of date like me...
>
> Thanks,
> John *


shortmail is sprint's version of 2 way text messaging

with vision there is a special email account [email protected]
setup.. you can read your emails on the phone sent to there easily

also, you cannot get a traditional wireless web plan on a vision phone

sry if i didnt help too much but i tried to answer what i think i
could

-joe

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> Here are my questions:
>
> 1. messaging.sprintpcs.com still allows one to compose a "one-way
> message", which I assume is the text messaging I've been familiar
> to. Has Sprint at one time or another called this "wireless web
> messaging" as well, or is that something different? And how can
> there be anything but a "one-way" message?

Its 'short mail'. I've never played with it too much, but it allows you
to send something like a text message over Sprint's data network (but it
is NOT text messaging).



> 2. With vision, there appears to be some other way to receive e-mail
> on the phone. What is the utility of this, given that it's already
> possible to e-mail the phone @messaging.sprintpcs.com?
>

With business connect you can, but on any of the non-PDA phones, its a
pain in the ass to get working.

And its not easy on the PDA phones. ;-)



> 3. What exactly is "PCS Short Mail"? Is it the traditional messaging,
> or the Vision e-mail messaging, or something in-between?
>
Same as question #1.



> 4. Will my Vision phone be able to send a traditional text message to
> my wife's non-Vision phone (even though she couldn't respond
> directly from her phone)?
>


No.


> 5. Can a PCS Vision phone use Wireless Web technology? (Perhaps the
> cheaper monthly cost of that appeals to me, despite the lower
> feature set.)
>


No, the 2G "Wireless Web" used a different browser and different
programming (it used HDML and/or WAP while the Vision / 3G web uses the
same programming that what our computer use, Java, HTML etc.. with some
limitations.




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| > 4. Will my Vision phone be able to send a traditional text message to
| > my wife's non-Vision phone (even though she couldn't respond
| > directly from her phone)?
| >
|
|
| No.
You can send it through Shortmail through your vision phone to your wife. If
she has one-way text messaging, she could receive it and read it like
regular text messaging. She can't send anything. She would have to call you
or something. SprintPCS Tech might have been confused on how "Traditional"
you wanted it to be.

"1900mhzcdma(SU)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news9j%[email protected]...
| | > 4. Will my Vision phone be able to send a traditional text message to
| | > my wife's non-Vision phone (even though she couldn't respond
| | > directly from her phone)?
| | >
| |
| |
| | No.
| You can send it through Shortmail through your vision phone to your wife.
If
| she has one-way text messaging, she could receive it and read it like
| regular text messaging. She can't send anything. She would have to call
you
| or something. SprintPCS Tech might have been confused on how "Traditional"
| you wanted it to be.
|
|
Go to www.apgap.com on your vision phone. Download SendNote. There are
instructions on how to use this at
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sho...&highlight=sms

Note that all this does is use messaging.sprintpcs.com over the vision
network to send the text message. It is not true 2-way messaging, but it is
the best thing that is out there right now, and sure beats loading the web
browser and typing using Shortmail.

John Goerzen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I should first explain that I've been using "traditional" PCS phones
> for awhile -- no wireless web, vision, or anything like that. My
> phones have been able to receive text messages (and numeric pages from
> the voicemail system), but that's about it as far as non-voice
> capabilities go.

Hence some of our "simpler" phones like the Nokia 3585i, or the LG1200. I
know what you mean. Sometimes a phone should just be a phone

>
> In getting my new phone, I have come to realize a rather confusing
> array of different things, including apparently several different ways
> to get text messages to a Sprint phone.

Each method has different features to it. Hopefully, I can clear that up a
bit in the answers below...

>
> Here are my questions:
>
> 1. messaging.sprintpcs.com still allows one to compose a "one-way
> message", which I assume is the text messaging I've been familiar
> to. Has Sprint at one time or another called this "wireless web
> messaging" as well, or is that something different? And how can
> there be anything but a "one-way" message?

Your first question is right on. He *have* called that "wireless web
messaging." Vision phones technically use a different server, but, in every
practical sense, it's the exact same as Wireless Web messaging. This kind
of messaging is one-way and only one way. There's several ways to send it,
but it only goes to the phone. That's it. FYI, we also call this kind of
message a "notification."

>
> 2. With vision, there appears to be some other way to receive e-mail
> on the phone. What is the utility of this, given that it's already
> possible to e-mail the phone @messaging.sprintpcs.com?

Email and that "@messaging.sprintpcs.com" are two wholly unrelated messaging
schemes. A Vision user is assigned a username, and that name is also an
email address. Primarily, the messaging address is limited to 160
characters. If you use [email protected] then only the
first 160 characters (or so) will get through to the phone. Just as the web
messaging box on our web site only allows 160 characters. Email is *really*
email. Of course, the browser is being used to read that email on the
phone, so it's not like you can just bring up attachments, but you can
reply, compose, forward, most everything you can do on any email client on a
PC. As a result, PCS Email is more capable, and flexible, than text
messaging.

>
> 3. What exactly is "PCS Short Mail"? Is it the traditional messaging,
> or the Vision e-mail messaging, or something in-between?

It's the 2-way messaging system for sending messages between phones. Works
with all the national carriers, and I'm told even works to Alltel customers
(although we're told they don't subscribe to our inter-carrier agreement).
A user on AT&T or Verizon would see it as a text message just ike they're
used to seeing, and they'd send normally, whereupon it would arrive in your
Shortmail Inbox. Optionally, Shortmail can send you a notification when a
new message arrives. When you access Shortmail, it looks very similar to an
email system, but it uses phone numbers, instead of email addresses.

>
> 4. Will my Vision phone be able to send a traditional text message to
> my wife's non-Vision phone (even though she couldn't respond
> directly from her phone)?

Sure. You can send one of the old wireless web messages using your email
system and sending the message to her phone number
"@messaging.sprintpcs.com". She'll get it as a wireless web
message/notification.

>
> 5. Can a PCS Vision phone use Wireless Web technology? (Perhaps the
> cheaper monthly cost of that appeals to me, despite the lower
> feature set.)

Yes, *and* no. Without getting *too* technical, Wireless Web is a
networking technology that requires a dedicated airtime connection to work.
A so-called "circuit-switched" connection. Hence why it used minutes. It
really *is*, for all practical purposes, a phone call to access data
services. Because of that, if you succeed at getting a vision phone to dial
into a data service, then both the phone and our system recognize the
dedicated airtime data connection, and it then gets charged at the "casual
usage" Wireless Web rate of 39˘/min.

However, the Vision Phones cannot access the servers that we use to control
and monitor Wireless Web service. As a result, there is no way to set up a
"Wireless Web" add-on for your subscription that would let it pull from your
plan minutes like the "real" Wireless Web does. No matter what happens,
circuit-switched data services on a Vision phone will get charged 39˘/min.
Period.

>
> I've tried asking all these questions of Sprint reps at one time or
> another, but they seem to lack the expertise to explain them very
> well to someone a little out of date like me...

I hope I provided the clarification you needed.
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RŘß
O/Siris
I work for Sprint
I *don't* speak for them

My wireless web phone will give me a notification that I have a
text message. I can then look in my In Box and it will list how many
text messages I have and how many are New.


O/Siris wrote:

> John Goerzen wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I should first explain that I've been using "traditional" PCS phones
>>for awhile -- no wireless web, vision, or anything like that. My
>>phones have been able to receive text messages (and numeric pages from
>>the voicemail system), but that's about it as far as non-voice
>>capabilities go.
>
>
> Hence some of our "simpler" phones like the Nokia 3585i, or the LG1200. I
> know what you mean. Sometimes a phone should just be a phone
>
>
>>In getting my new phone, I have come to realize a rather confusing
>>array of different things, including apparently several different ways
>>to get text messages to a Sprint phone.
>
>
> Each method has different features to it. Hopefully, I can clear that up a
> bit in the answers below...
>
>
>>Here are my questions:
>>
>>1. messaging.sprintpcs.com still allows one to compose a "one-way
>> message", which I assume is the text messaging I've been familiar
>> to. Has Sprint at one time or another called this "wireless web
>> messaging" as well, or is that something different? And how can
>> there be anything but a "one-way" message?
>
>
> Your first question is right on. He *have* called that "wireless web
> messaging." Vision phones technically use a different server, but, in every
> practical sense, it's the exact same as Wireless Web messaging. This kind
> of messaging is one-way and only one way. There's several ways to send it,
> but it only goes to the phone. That's it. FYI, we also call this kind of
> message a "notification."
>
>
>>2. With vision, there appears to be some other way to receive e-mail
>> on the phone. What is the utility of this, given that it's already
>> possible to e-mail the phone @messaging.sprintpcs.com?
>
>
> Email and that "@messaging.sprintpcs.com" are two wholly unrelated messaging
> schemes. A Vision user is assigned a username, and that name is also an
> email address. Primarily, the messaging address is limited to 160
> characters. If you use [email protected] then only the
> first 160 characters (or so) will get through to the phone. Just as the web
> messaging box on our web site only allows 160 characters. Email is *really*
> email. Of course, the browser is being used to read that email on the
> phone, so it's not like you can just bring up attachments, but you can
> reply, compose, forward, most everything you can do on any email client on a
> PC. As a result, PCS Email is more capable, and flexible, than text
> messaging.
>
>
>>3. What exactly is "PCS Short Mail"? Is it the traditional messaging,
>> or the Vision e-mail messaging, or something in-between?
>
>
> It's the 2-way messaging system for sending messages between phones. Works
> with all the national carriers, and I'm told even works to Alltel customers
> (although we're told they don't subscribe to our inter-carrier agreement).
> A user on AT&T or Verizon would see it as a text message just ike they're
> used to seeing, and they'd send normally, whereupon it would arrive in your
> Shortmail Inbox. Optionally, Shortmail can send you a notification when a
> new message arrives. When you access Shortmail, it looks very similar to an
> email system, but it uses phone numbers, instead of email addresses.
>
>
>>4. Will my Vision phone be able to send a traditional text message to
>> my wife's non-Vision phone (even though she couldn't respond
>> directly from her phone)?
>
>
> Sure. You can send one of the old wireless web messages using your email
> system and sending the message to her phone number
> "@messaging.sprintpcs.com". She'll get it as a wireless web
> message/notification.
>
>
>>5. Can a PCS Vision phone use Wireless Web technology? (Perhaps the
>> cheaper monthly cost of that appeals to me, despite the lower
>> feature set.)
>
>
> Yes, *and* no. Without getting *too* technical, Wireless Web is a
> networking technology that requires a dedicated airtime connection to work.
> A so-called "circuit-switched" connection. Hence why it used minutes. It
> really *is*, for all practical purposes, a phone call to access data
> services. Because of that, if you succeed at getting a vision phone to dial
> into a data service, then both the phone and our system recognize the
> dedicated airtime data connection, and it then gets charged at the "casual
> usage" Wireless Web rate of 39˘/min.
>
> However, the Vision Phones cannot access the servers that we use to control
> and monitor Wireless Web service. As a result, there is no way to set up a
> "Wireless Web" add-on for your subscription that would let it pull from your
> plan minutes like the "real" Wireless Web does. No matter what happens,
> circuit-switched data services on a Vision phone will get charged 39˘/min.
> Period.
>
>
>>I've tried asking all these questions of Sprint reps at one time or
>>another, but they seem to lack the expertise to explain them very
>>well to someone a little out of date like me...
>
>
> I hope I provided the clarification you needed.

| > 4. Will my Vision phone be able to send a traditional text message to
| > my wife's non-Vision phone (even though she couldn't respond
| > directly from her phone)?
| >
|
|
| No.
You can send it through Shortmail through your vision phone to your wife. If
she has one-way text messaging, she could receive it and read it like
regular text messaging. She can't send anything. She would have to call you
or something. SprintPCS Tech might have been confused on how "Traditional"
you wanted it to be.

"1900mhzcdma(SU)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news9j%[email protected]...
| | > 4. Will my Vision phone be able to send a traditional text message to
| | > my wife's non-Vision phone (even though she couldn't respond
| | > directly from her phone)?
| | >
| |
| |
| | No.
| You can send it through Shortmail through your vision phone to your wife.
If
| she has one-way text messaging, she could receive it and read it like
| regular text messaging. She can't send anything. She would have to call
you
| or something. SprintPCS Tech might have been confused on how "Traditional"
| you wanted it to be.
|
|
Go to www.apgap.com on your vision phone. Download SendNote. There are
instructions on how to use this at
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sho...&highlight=sms

Note that all this does is use messaging.sprintpcs.com over the vision
network to send the text message. It is not true 2-way messaging, but it is
the best thing that is out there right now, and sure beats loading the web
browser and typing using Shortmail.