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  1. #1
    Central
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    I was thinking that sprint only seems to be capable of telling the
    difference between a laptop and normal cell phone activity based on
    bandwidth usage so why not create a j2me application that does nothing but
    suck down bandwidth. It would be dead simple to write up a j2me app that
    does nothing but grab data nonsense and repeats. I am working on a simple
    version that lets you pick a port number and a dest. host(say your cable
    modem) and just grab data nonstop. I would like to see sprint cancel
    service for people using the data part unlimited via their phone. Only
    down side is that when using vision your phone won't recv. calls but I
    know some people signed up to sprint for the data usage as much as
    using the phone for voice calls. I know when I signed up to vision using
    it with my laptop was one of the many lies I was told but oh well. Just
    an idea I was working on that would completely nullify sprint's bandwidth
    records since the phone can just keep pulling and never storing the data.
    Given the phone's bandwidth it should not be too hard to really rack up
    a lot of the unlimited bandwidth everyone was promised when they signed
    up and using it in accordance to our contracts on the phone. Any
    comments are welcomed.




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  2. #2
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone


    "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]
    <snip>

    Intentionally abusing the service will get you nowhere really fast. Think
    about it.

    Tom Veldhouse





  3. #3
    Central
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:17:31 -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

    >
    > "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news[email protected]
    > <snip>
    >
    > Intentionally abusing the service will get you nowhere really fast. Think
    > about it.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse

    Last I checked I am paying for unlimited service. If I wanted my phone to
    start downloading data I request nonstop I do believe that falls under the
    agreement I signed. I don't see sprint yelling at people when they talk
    from from 9pm Friday until 7am Monday.




  4. #4
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone


    "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Last I checked I am paying for unlimited service. If I wanted my phone to
    > start downloading data I request nonstop I do believe that falls under the
    > agreement I signed. I don't see sprint yelling at people when they talk
    > from from 9pm Friday until 7am Monday.
    >


    I assure you that they can choose to drop you like a rock if you do that.
    Unlimitted usage ISPs have been doing it for years [to people who never
    disconnect and use automatic reconnect with pingers]. But please, don't
    take my word for it, try it and see.

    Tom Veldhouse





  5. #5
    Central
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:49:19 -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

    >
    > I assure you that they can choose to drop you like a rock if you do that.
    > Unlimitted usage ISPs have been doing it for years [to people who never
    > disconnect and use automatic reconnect with pingers]. But please, don't
    > take my word for it, try it and see.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse

    Yes some isps have done that but since when does that redefine the word
    unlimited? Poor ISPs lose customers that way.




  6. #6
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone


    "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]
    > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:49:19 -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > I assure you that they can choose to drop you like a rock if you do

    that.
    > > Unlimitted usage ISPs have been doing it for years [to people who never
    > > disconnect and use automatic reconnect with pingers]. But please, don't
    > > take my word for it, try it and see.
    > >
    > > Tom Veldhouse

    > Yes some isps have done that but since when does that redefine the word
    > unlimited? Poor ISPs lose customers that way.
    >


    And, hopefully, for the rest of us, Sprint will lose you as a customer as
    well. You see, what you want to do is punitive and spiteful in nature.
    Further, it affects other customers directly by taking up bandwidth that
    they would like for responsive data services.

    Now, let's be honest here. Did you sign up for Sprint PCS and Vision
    because you had heard the rumor many months back that Sprint had no way to
    limit usage and that you could get laptop usage for free (unlimitted)? I
    recall that thing going around and even a slashdot article on it. Well, you
    can't expect a company to allow itself to be taken advantage of, which is
    exactly what you are trying to do. You get what you pay for, and if you
    scam, you sometimes get more than you pay for, at the expense of others.

    Tom Veldhouse





  7. #7
    Central
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:38:28 -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

    >
    > And, hopefully, for the rest of us, Sprint will lose you as a customer as
    > well. You see, what you want to do is punitive and spiteful in nature.
    > Further, it affects other customers directly by taking up bandwidth that
    > they would like for responsive data services.
    >
    > Now, let's be honest here. Did you sign up for Sprint PCS and Vision
    > because you had heard the rumor many months back that Sprint had no way to
    > limit usage and that you could get laptop usage for free (unlimitted)? I
    > recall that thing going around and even a slashdot article on it. Well, you
    > can't expect a company to allow itself to be taken advantage of, which is
    > exactly what you are trying to do. You get what you pay for, and if you
    > scam, you sometimes get more than you pay for, at the expense of others.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse


    Actually no I was a Cingular customer with their 2g web service and used a
    nokia 7160 to act as a modem for both my pda(via ir) and laptop. I was
    happy with the service and it worked out of the mins I paid for. I went
    looking for a new provider when cingular was dropping some of their plans.
    I spoke to many providers until I came to sprint store and asked them
    about data usage. They said, "Oh we have this great new unlimited plan.."
    which made me a bit curious. I asked, "Can I use it with my laptop?, How much
    does it cost?", and, "What about getting email messages on the phone?". They
    said sure you can use it with your laptop, giving me info on connection
    kits, they said it would be free first three months(if I recall now) and
    then cost 10 dollars a month. As for msgs they were included free in
    vision. This sounded like a perfect plan and others seemed to have
    reported on it as well, as you mentioned there was a slashdot article. When
    I signed up vision was a new service and was claimed unlimited by not only
    the sales reps but also customer service. I'm sure if you back track this
    group you will find people who even got reps to make notes on their
    account about why they got the service. Maybe it was foolish of me to
    believe the sprint's reps and to think unlimited was refering to from the
    start of my billing cycle to the end of my billing cycle. Now maybe some
    people are a bit more in tuned to getting bent over and taking things but
    if anything the scam is sprint turning around proclaiming we are stealing
    from them and should pay for our unlimited usage out the nose.

    I personally have not got a call about vision usage because I do not abuse
    the service nor do I use it as my primary isp. What will piss me off is
    when sprint decides to count any weird bandwidth spike as laptop usage and
    starts cutting off my service when I'm not even in my home state.

    I would like to know who you think is in the wrong? Someone using the
    service as they paid for it or Sprint reps lying to just make me buy
    their product(which is illegal last I checked).




  8. #8
    Bob Smith
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone


    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    <snipped>
    > Now, let's be honest here. Did you sign up for Sprint PCS and Vision
    > because you had heard the rumor many months back that Sprint had no way to
    > limit usage and that you could get laptop usage for free (unlimitted)? I
    > recall that thing going around and even a slashdot article on it. Well,

    you
    > can't expect a company to allow itself to be taken advantage of, which is
    > exactly what you are trying to do. You get what you pay for, and if you
    > scam, you sometimes get more than you pay for, at the expense of others.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse



    If I recall, those rumors were discussed in the Kaaza thead a while back.

    Bob





  9. #9
    Bob Smith
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone


    "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]
    <snipped>
    > I personally have not got a call about vision usage because I do not abuse
    > the service nor do I use it as my primary isp. What will piss me off is
    > when sprint decides to count any weird bandwidth spike as laptop usage and
    > starts cutting off my service when I'm not even in my home state.


    So, let me get this straight. You use Vision connected to your laptop
    sporatically, haven't received any bad news from SPCS, and you are now
    complaining about something that hasn't happened yet?

    Bob





  10. #10
    p lane
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone

    In past postings I have read that below 1 gig per month seems to be
    left alone? Is that still what seems to be the rule.??

    "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    >
    > "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news[email protected]
    > <snipped>
    > > I personally have not got a call about vision usage because I do not abuse
    > > the service nor do I use it as my primary isp. What will piss me off is
    > > when sprint decides to count any weird bandwidth spike as laptop usage and
    > > starts cutting off my service when I'm not even in my home state.

    >
    > So, let me get this straight. You use Vision connected to your laptop
    > sporatically, haven't received any bad news from SPCS, and you are now
    > complaining about something that hasn't happened yet?
    >
    > Bob
    >
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  11. #11
    Central
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:36:02 +0000, Bob Smith wrote:

    >
    > "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news[email protected]
    > <snipped>
    >> I personally have not got a call about vision usage because I do not abuse
    >> the service nor do I use it as my primary isp. What will piss me off is
    >> when sprint decides to count any weird bandwidth spike as laptop usage and
    >> starts cutting off my service when I'm not even in my home state.

    >
    > So, let me get this straight. You use Vision connected to your laptop
    > sporatically, haven't received any bad news from SPCS, and you are now
    > complaining about something that hasn't happened yet?
    >
    > Bob


    Bob well seeing how sprint has handled number portability, and the
    nonsense I went through to get a credit on it(I asked to have a credit on
    my July bill which was equal to the amount of number portability fee until
    the service was available). With sprint it does not seem a question of if
    they will give me a hassle but when. I am just thinking that such an
    application could be used as an example that phones can generate as much
    if not more data then a laptop connected to them. After all sprint sold
    us a service and we have every right to use it in accordance to our
    agreements. We did not sign up to be monitored and then accused of
    breaking our agreement once our bandwidth limits hit a certain number. I
    know it seems weird how my timing of this issue is but sprint seems to be
    going towards the, "milk them for all they got" business relationship.

    Anyway bob in short it was just an idea for setting an example about
    bandwidth usage solely with the phone and not with a connected laptop.




  12. #12
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone


    "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]

    > I personally have not got a call about vision usage because I do not abuse
    > the service nor do I use it as my primary isp. What will piss me off is
    > when sprint decides to count any weird bandwidth spike as laptop usage and
    > starts cutting off my service when I'm not even in my home state.
    >


    So, after all that ranting an raving, you have not even had a problem with
    Sprint. You are pissed off about what might affect you and might not. You
    are talking about damaging sprint service with this rogue application of
    yours to suck up bandwidth from other customers, and you have suffered no
    wrong to begin with. Man ... get a life.

    > I would like to know who you think is in the wrong? Someone using the
    > service as they paid for it or Sprint reps lying to just make me buy
    > their product(which is illegal last I checked).
    >


    Personally, I don't believe that it was sold to you as unlimitted laptop
    usage. I think the rep was one of those 19 year old enthusiasts who
    "confirmed" for you that you do not get charged currently. That is not the
    same thing as selling it as a binding service. It is easy to get a 19 year
    old kid to agree that something can be done. It is another to say that he
    brought it up to get you to buy it ... especially since I now know you read
    the slashdot article. You are just *****ing because you can.

    Tom Veldhouse





  13. #13
    Central
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:43:49 +0000, p lane wrote:

    > In past postings I have read that below 1 gig per month seems to be
    > left alone? Is that still what seems to be the rule.??
    >
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]


    Well see that there is the problem. There is no rule. It just seems to be
    a limit sprint has come up with. Nothing stops them from changing that
    rule esp since the observed parties who hit that rule never knew of it
    before hand. It would not be wrong for sprint to drop that limit to say
    500MB,100MB, or even 20MB. Since after all it is their untold rule. Also I
    have not seen any reports if that rule applies to 1GB a month or 1GB per a
    line over all. I know I would hate to hit that unforeseen cap.




  14. #14
    Bob Smith
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    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone


    "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]
    > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:36:02 +0000, Bob Smith wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news[email protected]
    > > <snipped>
    > >> I personally have not got a call about vision usage because I do not

    abuse
    > >> the service nor do I use it as my primary isp. What will piss me off is
    > >> when sprint decides to count any weird bandwidth spike as laptop usage

    and
    > >> starts cutting off my service when I'm not even in my home state.

    > >
    > > So, let me get this straight. You use Vision connected to your laptop
    > > sporatically, haven't received any bad news from SPCS, and you are now
    > > complaining about something that hasn't happened yet?
    > >
    > > Bob

    >
    > Bob well seeing how sprint has handled number portability, and the
    > nonsense I went through to get a credit on it(I asked to have a credit on
    > my July bill which was equal to the amount of number portability fee until
    > the service was available). With sprint it does not seem a question of if
    > they will give me a hassle but when. I am just thinking that such an
    > application could be used as an example that phones can generate as much
    > if not more data then a laptop connected to them. After all sprint sold
    > us a service and we have every right to use it in accordance to our
    > agreements. We did not sign up to be monitored and then accused of
    > breaking our agreement once our bandwidth limits hit a certain number. I
    > know it seems weird how my timing of this issue is but sprint seems to be
    > going towards the, "milk them for all they got" business relationship.
    >
    > Anyway bob in short it was just an idea for setting an example about
    > bandwidth usage solely with the phone and not with a connected laptop.


    I'd suggest you keep it an idea ... I'm guessing that if something like what
    you've described ever did take place, SPCS would have extremely good grounds
    to file a civil action against you, and have the appropriate government
    authority to file a criminal action as well.

    Bob
    >






  15. #15
    Central
    Guest

    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:51:47 -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

    >
    > So, after all that ranting an raving, you have not even had a problem with
    > Sprint. You are pissed off about what might affect you and might not. You
    > are talking about damaging sprint service with this rogue application of
    > yours to suck up bandwidth from other customers, and you have suffered no
    > wrong to begin with. Man ... get a life.
    >
    > Personally, I don't believe that it was sold to you as unlimitted laptop
    > usage. I think the rep was one of those 19 year old enthusiasts who
    > "confirmed" for you that you do not get charged currently. That is not the
    > same thing as selling it as a binding service. It is easy to get a 19 year
    > old kid to agree that something can be done. It is another to say that he
    > brought it up to get you to buy it ... especially since I now know you read
    > the slashdot article. You are just *****ing because you can.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse


    Well you know what you are right not to believe me but just for you I went
    to google groups and searched for "vision unlimited called sprint laptop
    use" and got this little nugget from another users posting

    http://tinyurl.com/kdp3

    Now I'm sure if I put more effort into this, esp if I look around the
    oct-dec postings (which anyone who has been a member of this group since
    then should have seen) I would find more tidbits about users making simlar
    if not exact claims that I have made about laptop use on vision. Also I
    would like to say my opening post was an idea. Also if you remember from
    that slashdot article which was what around Nov? It was about this webpage:

    http://www.natecarlson.com/linux/sanyo-4900.php

    which I quote
    "NOTE: There are conflicting reports to what exactly Sprint means by
    'unlimited vision'. Apparently, they have told some people that the
    unlimited vision is for phone use only, and does not apply when you're
    using the phone with the USB cable. The USB cable solution was actually
    recommended to me by an employee at a Sprint store to start with, and I
    checked with two other Sprint reps that it was acceptable use before
    purchasing. I can also confirm that I have not been charged for any Vision
    usage, beyond the standard $10/mo, even though I have been using it via
    the USB cable. But to protect yourself, be sure to check with your Sprint
    rep, and make sure that this use is acceptable before doing it. If you end
    up getting billed for the usage, don't say I didn't warn you!"

    This person was also told the lies as I was. Only did he question it after
    he heard other people questioning the unlimited def. of vision. For your
    information I have already gotten my phone when I read that.






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