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- 08-18-2003, 10:32 AM #1CentralGuest
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:24:34 +0000, Lawrence Glasser wrote:
>
> Am I happy to see Sprint not allow me to use my phone
> as a modem, under my Vision plan?
>
> Absolutely not.
>
> My choices?
>
> 1) Accept their terms.
> 2) Don't accept their terms and fight them in court.
> 3) Don't accept their terms and drop the service.
>
> Trying to screw them (and others, sharing bandwidth)
> accomplishes absolutely nothing.
>
> Larry
Well since they claim their terms are to only use the connection with the
phone I guess my idea of downloading data through the use of a j2me app
would be accepting their terms. As for overloading vision it would be
horrible but really now how brain dead is it for a any business to sell a
product to happy customers but then say, "Oh sorry we can only let 9 out
of 100 of you use it at one time", (the numbers are not realistic but just
an example). Should beable to rate limit the connection so that the phone
downloads the data but does not clog the vision network. If sprint can not
have their users maintain a 1KB/s-2KB/s link then it is their bad
practices that are at fault not the users trying to use what they paid for.
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- 08-18-2003, 10:50 AM #2Thomas T. VeldhouseGuest
Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone
"Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:24:34 +0000, Lawrence Glasser wrote:
>
> Well since they claim their terms are to only use the connection with the
> phone I guess my idea of downloading data through the use of a j2me app
> would be accepting their terms. As for overloading vision it would be
> horrible but really now how brain dead is it for a any business to sell a
> product to happy customers but then say, "Oh sorry we can only let 9 out
> of 100 of you use it at one time", (the numbers are not realistic but just
> an example). Should beable to rate limit the connection so that the phone
> downloads the data but does not clog the vision network. If sprint can not
> have their users maintain a 1KB/s-2KB/s link then it is their bad
> practices that are at fault not the users trying to use what they paid
for.
>
Nice rationalization. However, it just doesn't pan out. Do you deal with
all entities of your personal life in the same way? What a bitter and
vindictive person you must be.
Tom Veldhouse
- 08-18-2003, 11:10 AM #3Bob SmithGuest
Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone
"Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:24:34 +0000, Lawrence Glasser wrote:
>
>
> Well since they claim their terms are to only use the connection with the
> phone I guess my idea of downloading data through the use of a j2me app
> would be accepting their terms. As for overloading vision it would be
> horrible but really now how brain dead is it for a any business to sell a
> product to happy customers but then say, "Oh sorry we can only let 9 out
> of 100 of you use it at one time", (the numbers are not realistic but just
> an example). Should beable to rate limit the connection so that the phone
> downloads the data but does not clog the vision network. If sprint can not
> have their users maintain a 1KB/s-2KB/s link then it is their bad
> practices that are at fault not the users trying to use what they paid
for.
You act like this is a new issue to you. I noticed you've had a few posts
from doing a google seach, specifically this post http://tinyurl.com/kdhf .
I'd be curious to know what wireless connection activity you've been doing
with your 4900 in FL, since December ... and what additional charges you
might have seen.
Bob
- 08-18-2003, 11:20 AM #4CentralGuest
Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:50:02 -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>
> "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:24:34 +0000, Lawrence Glasser wrote:
>>
>> Well since they claim their terms are to only use the connection with the
>> phone I guess my idea of downloading data through the use of a j2me app
>> would be accepting their terms. As for overloading vision it would be
>> horrible but really now how brain dead is it for a any business to sell a
>> product to happy customers but then say, "Oh sorry we can only let 9 out
>> of 100 of you use it at one time", (the numbers are not realistic but just
>> an example). Should beable to rate limit the connection so that the phone
>> downloads the data but does not clog the vision network. If sprint can not
>> have their users maintain a 1KB/s-2KB/s link then it is their bad
>> practices that are at fault not the users trying to use what they paid
> for.
>>
>
> Nice rationalization. However, it just doesn't pan out. Do you deal with
> all entities of your personal life in the same way? What a bitter and
> vindictive person you must be.
>
> Tom Veldhouse
Well lets see how I can apply this to my personal life. Oh I know I can buy
an unlimited water account with my water company and then use the water to
water my lawn. Yeah that should be criminal right there. Or maybe I can goto
an all you can eat food establishment and stuff everything I can down my
throat even if I am not hungry(wasteful I know). Oh that reminds me none
of that has anything to do with my personal life because well all those
items I mentioned are materials that are tangible. If I use water that
means there will be less water for someone else in the county. If I eat
the food, which I am just going to throwup (forceful eating is bad), someone
who is hungry will not be able to eat it. Yet if I use the unlimited
bandwidth of vision, that sprint promised me, that bandwidth will still be
there wither or not I use it. After all I am paying for my slice just like
every other user on this network. If sprint can not give people what they
are paying for then sprint should stop accepting new users. What I do with
my unlimited plan is entitled to be the min I forked over the cash and
signed the agreement sprint put in front of me. It is not vindictive to
use a service you paid for. After all I would hate for someone to walk up
to me and take my license away because I drove on the road for long
periods of time(lawfully obeying the speed limit of course). If I break a
rule in sprint's agreement that is my wrong doing but using their
unlimited service to download what ever need I decided fills my fancy on
my phone is in accordance to the unlimited service I signed up for.
That is not a rationalization that is common sense. I understand there is
limited connection base for sprint but that is not my fault nor is it any
of sprint's users fault. It is not our job to make sprint's business model
work by limiting ourselves out of the kindness of our heart. No one would
fill up their car with gas just to turn around and pump the gas back out
so the gas station can resell it while not giving you your money back just
because they can not find a place to buy gas to fill their pump's storage
tanks with.
- 08-18-2003, 11:42 AM #5CentralGuest
Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:10:26 +0000, Bob Smith wrote:
>
> "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:24:34 +0000, Lawrence Glasser wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well since they claim their terms are to only use the connection with the
>> phone I guess my idea of downloading data through the use of a j2me app
>> would be accepting their terms. As for overloading vision it would be
>> horrible but really now how brain dead is it for a any business to sell a
>> product to happy customers but then say, "Oh sorry we can only let 9 out
>> of 100 of you use it at one time", (the numbers are not realistic but just
>> an example). Should beable to rate limit the connection so that the phone
>> downloads the data but does not clog the vision network. If sprint can not
>> have their users maintain a 1KB/s-2KB/s link then it is their bad
>> practices that are at fault not the users trying to use what they paid
> for.
>
> You act like this is a new issue to you. I noticed you've had a few posts
> from doing a google seach, specifically this post http://tinyurl.com/kdhf .
>
> I'd be curious to know what wireless connection activity you've been doing
> with your 4900 in FL, since December ... and what additional charges you
> might have seen.
>
> Bob
Sorry to come off like that but it is not a new issue for me. I was just
thinking about a way to invalidate sprint's use of bandwidth to track
laptop connections. Mostly I use my 4900 in FL for email transfers/ssh when
not near a usable internet connection. Also I travel through out the
southeast sometimes and while on the road it is good to send pictures/talk
to love ones through the connection. I have not yet received additional
charges(I try to be a good user) but back in December (I got the phone
a little bit before) sprint didn't have an idea on a limit to measure
abuse and since then they seem to measure abuse in bandwidth and packet
analysis. I find such measurements pointless because with some of the new
j2me features and multi player pda/phone games can easily run up
bandwidth. I know they will most likely use very simplistic text protocols
but then again if sprint keeps depending on bandwidth as a measurement at
what point will they finally say anything after "this" limit is a laptop
and then anything before it is a phone connection. I was just feeling that
if such application was created you can easily have proof to sprint that
measuring data transfers is not an accurate measurement of the device you
are using.
- 08-18-2003, 01:05 PM #6Bob SmithGuest
Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone
"Lawrence Glasser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snipped>
>
> It *would* be nice if Sprint gave us 1Gig(or whatever)/month for "modem"
use.
>
> Larry
I absolutely agree, that a limit (whatever it's set at) should be quoted, as
apparently there isn't anything etched in stone, unless it's hidden away in
a safe @ SPCS headquarters. In saying that though, any usage over the
allowed limited should be charged for ... and heavily ... I'm talking
dollars here, not cents ... If someone wants to use the Vision service
through a laptop, over and above sporatic use, and take away my bandwidth at
the same time, they ought to pay through the nose for it ...
Bob
- 08-18-2003, 01:15 PM #7CentralGuest
Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:09:05 +0000, Lawrence Glasser wrote:
>> OK, to use your earlier restaurant analogy...
>>
>> You go into an all-you-can-eat establishment, and stuff yourself.
>>
>> So far, no problem.
>>
>> But, then you go into the restroom (hopefully!) and vomit. Afterwards,
>> you come out, eat more food, and repeat this disgusting process.
>>
>> According to you, because the sign says, "All You Can Eat," you're
>> covered.
>>
>> Well, they might not throw you out, immediately, but you can bet
>> you ass that you won't be welcomed back.
>>
>> Do they have the right? Absolutely.
>>
>> And so does Sprint, if you're found to be wasting bandwidth, just
>> to screw with them.
>>
>> You're analogy, not mine.
>>
>> Larry
>
> Ooops!
>
> For the purists, that was "Your analogy," not "You're analogy!"
>
> Larry
If you wish to go with this that is fine. If you recall I said that such
an analogy has no relation because it is not tangible in reality. If it
was sprints service after I "threw up" in the bathroom and left then that
bathroom would still be as clean as it was when I entered because the data
I use is not an object I can pick up or break or even smear on the walls
like puke. The min I sign off the vision network the bandwidth did not
disappear with me it is still there for everyone to use even as I use the
network it is still there. Unlike your bathroom analogy which some poor
person will have to clean up before anyone else can use it.
- 08-18-2003, 01:17 PM #8CentralGuest
Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:05:46 +0000, Bob Smith wrote:
>
> "Lawrence Glasser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> <snipped>
>>
>> It *would* be nice if Sprint gave us 1Gig(or whatever)/month for "modem"
> use.
>>
>> Larry
>
> I absolutely agree, that a limit (whatever it's set at) should be quoted, as
> apparently there isn't anything etched in stone, unless it's hidden away in
> a safe @ SPCS headquarters. In saying that though, any usage over the
> allowed limited should be charged for ... and heavily ... I'm talking
> dollars here, not cents ... If someone wants to use the Vision service
> through a laptop, over and above sporatic use, and take away my bandwidth at
> the same time, they ought to pay through the nose for it ...
>
> Bob
This is something most people will agree with. I would love to have a
limit of just laptop use to go by. Having a hidden limit is one of my
problems with laptop vision usage which I mentioned in another post.
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