On Cell Phone Forums
Results 1 to 8 of 8
  1. #1
    Central
    Guest
    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:24:34 +0000, Lawrence Glasser wrote:

    >
    > Am I happy to see Sprint not allow me to use my phone
    > as a modem, under my Vision plan?
    >
    > Absolutely not.
    >
    > My choices?
    >
    > 1) Accept their terms.
    > 2) Don't accept their terms and fight them in court.
    > 3) Don't accept their terms and drop the service.
    >
    > Trying to screw them (and others, sharing bandwidth)
    > accomplishes absolutely nothing.
    >
    > Larry


    Well since they claim their terms are to only use the connection with the
    phone I guess my idea of downloading data through the use of a j2me app
    would be accepting their terms. As for overloading vision it would be
    horrible but really now how brain dead is it for a any business to sell a
    product to happy customers but then say, "Oh sorry we can only let 9 out
    of 100 of you use it at one time", (the numbers are not realistic but just
    an example). Should beable to rate limit the connection so that the phone
    downloads the data but does not clog the vision network. If sprint can not
    have their users maintain a 1KB/s-2KB/s link then it is their bad
    practices that are at fault not the users trying to use what they paid for.




    See More: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone




  2. #2
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone


    "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]
    > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:24:34 +0000, Lawrence Glasser wrote:
    >
    > Well since they claim their terms are to only use the connection with the
    > phone I guess my idea of downloading data through the use of a j2me app
    > would be accepting their terms. As for overloading vision it would be
    > horrible but really now how brain dead is it for a any business to sell a
    > product to happy customers but then say, "Oh sorry we can only let 9 out
    > of 100 of you use it at one time", (the numbers are not realistic but just
    > an example). Should beable to rate limit the connection so that the phone
    > downloads the data but does not clog the vision network. If sprint can not
    > have their users maintain a 1KB/s-2KB/s link then it is their bad
    > practices that are at fault not the users trying to use what they paid

    for.
    >


    Nice rationalization. However, it just doesn't pan out. Do you deal with
    all entities of your personal life in the same way? What a bitter and
    vindictive person you must be.

    Tom Veldhouse





  3. #3
    Bob Smith
    Guest

    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone


    "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]
    > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:24:34 +0000, Lawrence Glasser wrote:
    >
    >
    > Well since they claim their terms are to only use the connection with the
    > phone I guess my idea of downloading data through the use of a j2me app
    > would be accepting their terms. As for overloading vision it would be
    > horrible but really now how brain dead is it for a any business to sell a
    > product to happy customers but then say, "Oh sorry we can only let 9 out
    > of 100 of you use it at one time", (the numbers are not realistic but just
    > an example). Should beable to rate limit the connection so that the phone
    > downloads the data but does not clog the vision network. If sprint can not
    > have their users maintain a 1KB/s-2KB/s link then it is their bad
    > practices that are at fault not the users trying to use what they paid

    for.

    You act like this is a new issue to you. I noticed you've had a few posts
    from doing a google seach, specifically this post http://tinyurl.com/kdhf .

    I'd be curious to know what wireless connection activity you've been doing
    with your 4900 in FL, since December ... and what additional charges you
    might have seen.

    Bob





  4. #4
    Central
    Guest

    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:50:02 -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

    >
    > "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news[email protected]
    >> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:24:34 +0000, Lawrence Glasser wrote:
    >>
    >> Well since they claim their terms are to only use the connection with the
    >> phone I guess my idea of downloading data through the use of a j2me app
    >> would be accepting their terms. As for overloading vision it would be
    >> horrible but really now how brain dead is it for a any business to sell a
    >> product to happy customers but then say, "Oh sorry we can only let 9 out
    >> of 100 of you use it at one time", (the numbers are not realistic but just
    >> an example). Should beable to rate limit the connection so that the phone
    >> downloads the data but does not clog the vision network. If sprint can not
    >> have their users maintain a 1KB/s-2KB/s link then it is their bad
    >> practices that are at fault not the users trying to use what they paid

    > for.
    >>

    >
    > Nice rationalization. However, it just doesn't pan out. Do you deal with
    > all entities of your personal life in the same way? What a bitter and
    > vindictive person you must be.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse

    Well lets see how I can apply this to my personal life. Oh I know I can buy
    an unlimited water account with my water company and then use the water to
    water my lawn. Yeah that should be criminal right there. Or maybe I can goto
    an all you can eat food establishment and stuff everything I can down my
    throat even if I am not hungry(wasteful I know). Oh that reminds me none
    of that has anything to do with my personal life because well all those
    items I mentioned are materials that are tangible. If I use water that
    means there will be less water for someone else in the county. If I eat
    the food, which I am just going to throwup (forceful eating is bad), someone
    who is hungry will not be able to eat it. Yet if I use the unlimited
    bandwidth of vision, that sprint promised me, that bandwidth will still be
    there wither or not I use it. After all I am paying for my slice just like
    every other user on this network. If sprint can not give people what they
    are paying for then sprint should stop accepting new users. What I do with
    my unlimited plan is entitled to be the min I forked over the cash and
    signed the agreement sprint put in front of me. It is not vindictive to
    use a service you paid for. After all I would hate for someone to walk up
    to me and take my license away because I drove on the road for long
    periods of time(lawfully obeying the speed limit of course). If I break a
    rule in sprint's agreement that is my wrong doing but using their
    unlimited service to download what ever need I decided fills my fancy on
    my phone is in accordance to the unlimited service I signed up for.

    That is not a rationalization that is common sense. I understand there is
    limited connection base for sprint but that is not my fault nor is it any
    of sprint's users fault. It is not our job to make sprint's business model
    work by limiting ourselves out of the kindness of our heart. No one would
    fill up their car with gas just to turn around and pump the gas back out
    so the gas station can resell it while not giving you your money back just
    because they can not find a place to buy gas to fill their pump's storage
    tanks with.




  5. #5
    Central
    Guest

    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:10:26 +0000, Bob Smith wrote:

    >
    > "Central" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news[email protected]
    >> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:24:34 +0000, Lawrence Glasser wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> Well since they claim their terms are to only use the connection with the
    >> phone I guess my idea of downloading data through the use of a j2me app
    >> would be accepting their terms. As for overloading vision it would be
    >> horrible but really now how brain dead is it for a any business to sell a
    >> product to happy customers but then say, "Oh sorry we can only let 9 out
    >> of 100 of you use it at one time", (the numbers are not realistic but just
    >> an example). Should beable to rate limit the connection so that the phone
    >> downloads the data but does not clog the vision network. If sprint can not
    >> have their users maintain a 1KB/s-2KB/s link then it is their bad
    >> practices that are at fault not the users trying to use what they paid

    > for.
    >
    > You act like this is a new issue to you. I noticed you've had a few posts
    > from doing a google seach, specifically this post http://tinyurl.com/kdhf .
    >
    > I'd be curious to know what wireless connection activity you've been doing
    > with your 4900 in FL, since December ... and what additional charges you
    > might have seen.
    >
    > Bob

    Sorry to come off like that but it is not a new issue for me. I was just
    thinking about a way to invalidate sprint's use of bandwidth to track
    laptop connections. Mostly I use my 4900 in FL for email transfers/ssh when
    not near a usable internet connection. Also I travel through out the
    southeast sometimes and while on the road it is good to send pictures/talk
    to love ones through the connection. I have not yet received additional
    charges(I try to be a good user) but back in December (I got the phone
    a little bit before) sprint didn't have an idea on a limit to measure
    abuse and since then they seem to measure abuse in bandwidth and packet
    analysis. I find such measurements pointless because with some of the new
    j2me features and multi player pda/phone games can easily run up
    bandwidth. I know they will most likely use very simplistic text protocols
    but then again if sprint keeps depending on bandwidth as a measurement at
    what point will they finally say anything after "this" limit is a laptop
    and then anything before it is a phone connection. I was just feeling that
    if such application was created you can easily have proof to sprint that
    measuring data transfers is not an accurate measurement of the device you
    are using.




  6. #6
    Bob Smith
    Guest

    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone


    "Lawrence Glasser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    <snipped>
    >
    > It *would* be nice if Sprint gave us 1Gig(or whatever)/month for "modem"

    use.
    >
    > Larry


    I absolutely agree, that a limit (whatever it's set at) should be quoted, as
    apparently there isn't anything etched in stone, unless it's hidden away in
    a safe @ SPCS headquarters. In saying that though, any usage over the
    allowed limited should be charged for ... and heavily ... I'm talking
    dollars here, not cents ... If someone wants to use the Vision service
    through a laptop, over and above sporatic use, and take away my bandwidth at
    the same time, they ought to pay through the nose for it ...

    Bob





  7. #7
    Central
    Guest

    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:09:05 +0000, Lawrence Glasser wrote:

    >> OK, to use your earlier restaurant analogy...
    >>
    >> You go into an all-you-can-eat establishment, and stuff yourself.
    >>
    >> So far, no problem.
    >>
    >> But, then you go into the restroom (hopefully!) and vomit. Afterwards,
    >> you come out, eat more food, and repeat this disgusting process.
    >>
    >> According to you, because the sign says, "All You Can Eat," you're
    >> covered.
    >>
    >> Well, they might not throw you out, immediately, but you can bet
    >> you ass that you won't be welcomed back.
    >>
    >> Do they have the right? Absolutely.
    >>
    >> And so does Sprint, if you're found to be wasting bandwidth, just
    >> to screw with them.
    >>
    >> You're analogy, not mine.
    >>
    >> Larry

    >
    > Ooops!
    >
    > For the purists, that was "Your analogy," not "You're analogy!"
    >
    > Larry


    If you wish to go with this that is fine. If you recall I said that such
    an analogy has no relation because it is not tangible in reality. If it
    was sprints service after I "threw up" in the bathroom and left then that
    bathroom would still be as clean as it was when I entered because the data
    I use is not an object I can pick up or break or even smear on the walls
    like puke. The min I sign off the vision network the bandwidth did not
    disappear with me it is still there for everyone to use even as I use the
    network it is still there. Unlike your bathroom analogy which some poor
    person will have to clean up before anyone else can use it.




  8. #8
    Central
    Guest

    Re: Got a good idea to stuck it to sprint with there unlimited nonsense on the phone

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:05:46 +0000, Bob Smith wrote:

    >
    > "Lawrence Glasser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > <snipped>
    >>
    >> It *would* be nice if Sprint gave us 1Gig(or whatever)/month for "modem"

    > use.
    >>
    >> Larry

    >
    > I absolutely agree, that a limit (whatever it's set at) should be quoted, as
    > apparently there isn't anything etched in stone, unless it's hidden away in
    > a safe @ SPCS headquarters. In saying that though, any usage over the
    > allowed limited should be charged for ... and heavily ... I'm talking
    > dollars here, not cents ... If someone wants to use the Vision service
    > through a laptop, over and above sporatic use, and take away my bandwidth at
    > the same time, they ought to pay through the nose for it ...
    >
    > Bob


    This is something most people will agree with. I would love to have a
    limit of just laptop use to go by. Having a hidden limit is one of my
    problems with laptop vision usage which I mentioned in another post.




  • Similar Threads