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    If true the implications for the 2.1 GHz band are not good...

    http://tinyurl.com/p873



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    Hopper
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    Re: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    X-No-Archive:Yes

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > If true the implications for the 2.1 GHz band are not good...
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/p873


    The thing that pisses me off about news stories of this kind are the
    complete lack of reference to any information about the study, short it
    involving the Netherlands.

    Where was this report published? Where can a person find the original
    report? What was the title?

    There's just too many questions. Like what sampling did they do? What level
    of significance? What was the test method? These can only be answered by the
    original report, not halfassed Reuters reporting.


    Hopper





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    Al Klein
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    Re: Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:34:23 -0500, [email protected] posted in
    alt.cellular.verizon:

    >If true the implications for the 2.1 GHz band are not good...


    >http://tinyurl.com/p873


    1) GSM is pulsed. That may have an effect that non-pulsed modes may
    not have.

    2) Most people never come close enough to an antenna to receive much
    radiation from a base station.



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    Whytoi
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    Re: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    In article <[email protected]>, Hopper
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > X-No-Archive:Yes
    >
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > If true the implications for the 2.1 GHz band are not good...
    > >
    > > http://tinyurl.com/p873

    >
    > The thing that pisses me off about news stories of this kind are the
    > complete lack of reference to any information about the study, short it
    > involving the Netherlands.
    >
    > Where was this report published? Where can a person find the original
    > report? What was the title?
    >
    > There's just too many questions. Like what sampling did they do? What level
    > of significance? What was the test method? These can only be answered by the
    > original report, not halfassed Reuters reporting.


    Agreed. What a load of BS! Gosh, did they also report that living is a
    terminal illness? I am jumping off a cliff right now!



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    O/Siris
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    Re: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    In article <[email protected]>,=20
    [email protected] says...
    > X-No-Archive:Yes
    >=20
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > If true the implications for the 2.1 GHz band are not good...
    > >
    > > http://tinyurl.com/p873

    >=20
    > The thing that pisses me off about news stories of this kind are the
    > complete lack of reference to any information about the study, short it
    > involving the Netherlands.
    >=20
    > Where was this report published? Where can a person find the original
    > report? What was the title?
    >=20
    > There's just too many questions. Like what sampling did they do? What lev=

    el
    > of significance? What was the test method? These can only be answered by =

    the
    > original report, not halfassed Reuters reporting.
    >=20
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    > Hopper


    Careful. Expecting to see specifics in order to discuss something is=20
    considered unreasonable by at least poster over here in=20
    alt.cellular.sprintpcs.

    --=20
    -+-
    R=D8=DF
    O/Siris
    I work for SprintPCS
    I *don't* speak for them.



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    Phill.
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    Re: Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:34:23 -0500, [email protected] posted in
    > alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    > >If true the implications for the 2.1 GHz band are not good...

    >
    > >http://tinyurl.com/p873

    >
    > 1) GSM is pulsed. That may have an effect that non-pulsed modes may
    > not have.
    >
    > 2) Most people never come close enough to an antenna to receive much
    > radiation from a base station.


    The test was at that lower "base station" level. Read the link.



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    Phill.
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    Re: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Hopper" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > X-No-Archive:Yes
    >
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > If true the implications for the 2.1 GHz band are not good...
    > >
    > > http://tinyurl.com/p873

    >
    > The thing that pisses me off about news stories of this kind are the
    > complete lack of reference to any information about the study, short it
    > involving the Netherlands.


    It said lots of things that makes one want to take it seriously.

    It was a double blind study. Not a collection of anecdotal stories.

    It used lower levels of radiation such as might be received from
    a base station.

    >
    > Where was this report published? Where can a person find the original
    > report? What was the title?
    >
    > There's just too many questions. Like what sampling did they do? What level
    > of significance? What was the test method? These can only be answered by the
    > original report, not halfassed Reuters reporting.


    It was conducted by angencies of the Dutch Government, likely to be
    unbiased. A 30 second Google search located http://www.tno.nl.homepage.html;
    with an email address of [email protected]


    >
    >


    Don't like the result, start nit-picking. And on no basis.

    > Hopper




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    Sprintposter
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    Re: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    > complete lack of reference to any information
    > about the study, short it
    > involving the Netherlands


    How com Phill found and posted the link so fast?

    As usual with this apologist, dont like the message ;nit pick, attack, even
    without facts.





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    Re: Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:47:38 GMT, Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:34:23 -0500, [email protected] posted in
    >alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    >>If true the implications for the 2.1 GHz band are not good...

    >
    >>http://tinyurl.com/p873

    >
    >1) GSM is pulsed. That may have an effect that non-pulsed modes may
    >not have.



    This is wideband CDMA (W-CDMA), there's continuous emission from the
    base station.

    An interesting question for the Dutch testers, what happens if the
    radiation is only over 1.25 MHz instead of a 5 MHz bandwidth.

    Any difference in effect?

    (KDDI in Japan is offering cdma2000 1xEV-DO @ 2.1 GHz, but that's only
    1.25 MHz in bandwidth.)




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    Al Klein
    Guest

    Re: Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:04:58 GMT, "Phill." <[email protected]> posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:34:23 -0500, [email protected] posted in
    >> alt.cellular.verizon:
    >>
    >> >If true the implications for the 2.1 GHz band are not good...

    >>
    >> >http://tinyurl.com/p873

    >>
    >> 1) GSM is pulsed. That may have an effect that non-pulsed modes may
    >> not have.
    >>
    >> 2) Most people never come close enough to an antenna to receive much
    >> radiation from a base station.

    >
    >The test was at that lower "base station" level. Read the link.


    I read it. Most people don't get close enough to a base station
    antenna to receive any more radiation than they do with no base
    station in the area. Remember the inverse square law.



  11. #11
    Phill.
    Guest

    Re: Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I read it. Most people don't get close enough to a base station
    > antenna to receive any more radiation than they do with no base
    > station in the area. Remember the inverse square law.


    Nice try. The study was conducted at the low levels people will receive.



  12. #12
    Al Klein
    Guest

    Re: Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:27:47 GMT, "Phill." <[email protected]> posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:


    >> I read it. Most people don't get close enough to a base station
    >> antenna to receive any more radiation than they do with no base
    >> station in the area. Remember the inverse square law.


    >Nice try. The study was conducted at the low levels people will receive.


    Sorry, no. You're talking to someone trained as an RF engineer. The
    "low levels" are a few orders of magnitude lower than the levels they
    get from their handsets. They're lower than the radiation they get
    from a standing under a ringing door bell.



  13. #13
    Al Klein
    Guest

    Re: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:20:35 GMT, "Phill." <[email protected]> posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >It used lower levels of radiation such as might be received from
    > a base station.


    If you're a technician working on one, not if you're a civilian
    walking down the street.



  14. #14
    Thomas Zielinski
    Guest

    Re: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    I once ran the numbers... no way... cellular radiation is a few
    orders of magnitude too small to break even among the weakest chemical
    bonds in the human body... (much less cause DNA damage thus
    cancer...) RF heating from the milliwatt levels of a handheld phone
    is ridiculous as well...

    I did some research for a psuedo-science project (actually a seminar
    for physicists), and could not find a shred of credible evidence to
    support ANY negative health effects caused by cell phones...

    It's purely unfounded paranoia compounded by the media's idiotic
    portrayals.. and as far as I can determine has already cost US tax
    payers millions of research dollars. (If I remember correctly,
    there's a department somewhere invetigating this and powerline
    radiation. . . sheesh... idiots...)

    That's the end of the debate as far as I'm concerned. grab a modern
    physics textbook and a basic bio book... run the numbers... it'll
    take like 3 min if you know what you're doing. convince yourself.


    -Tom



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    Quark
    Guest

    Re: Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    Al Klein wrote:
    > On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:27:47 GMT, "Phill." <[email protected]> posted
    > in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    >
    >>In article <[email protected]>,
    >>Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >
    >>>I read it. Most people don't get close enough to a base station
    >>>antenna to receive any more radiation than they do with no base
    >>>station in the area. Remember the inverse square law.

    >>

    >
    >>Nice try. The study was conducted at the low levels people will receive.

    >
    >
    > Sorry, no. You're talking to someone trained as an RF engineer. The
    > "low levels" are a few orders of magnitude lower than the levels they
    > get from their handsets. They're lower than the radiation they get
    > from a standing under a ringing door bell.


    Medical College of Wisconsin - General Clinical Research Center

    http://www.mcw.edu/gcrc/cop.html

    I found this site when selling my home. We had high tension wires in our
    back yard. One lady actually asked me if anyone on our street had gotten
    cancer. The power lines were atleast 300' from the house.

    I felt like saying, yea, there's a guy down the street with an arm
    growing out of his neck. I printed out the power line section and put it
    on the table next to the information pamphlet.

    Our real estate agent told us a story of someone else who had the same
    problem. They had the power company come out with a magnetic field
    detector and walk around there house. Guess were the highest magnetic
    field was. 4' or less from the TV set. Were most kids sit and watch the
    thing.

    Read and learn.




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