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  1. #1
    Thomas G. Marshall
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    This seems to be happening to a *lot* of people with LG phones.

    The stupid buttons on the side of my VX6100 are sensitive enough such that
    when the phone is in my pocket, if the volume down key is pressed and held
    it switches to Manner Mode. Furthermore, that lower button on the left
    switches it back and forth to driving mode.

    Also, I'm starting to snap off photos in my pocket. No joke.

    These buttons can get pressed simply by sitting down or walking. I'm
    starting to lose patience with LG.

    (I *knew* that switching away from Motorola was a crap-shoot, but the
    salesman at verizon insisted that he has seen no issues whatsoever with this
    phone.)

    Motorola's will disable some of such functionality when the clamshell is
    closed.

    Is there any software update available at all that will give me an option to
    fully disable the side buttons when the clamshell is closed??????

    Thanks!!!


    --
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  2. #2
    Bubba DeBub
    Guest

    Re: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)

    I would suggest getting a good case and attaching the phone to your belt. It
    is not a good idea to put the phone in your pocket. That is the simple
    solution.

    Bubba

    "Thomas G. Marshall" <[email protected]>
    wrote in message news:[email protected]
    >
    > This seems to be happening to a *lot* of people with LG phones.
    >
    > The stupid buttons on the side of my VX6100 are sensitive enough such that
    > when the phone is in my pocket, if the volume down key is pressed and held
    > it switches to Manner Mode. Furthermore, that lower button on the left
    > switches it back and forth to driving mode.
    >
    > Also, I'm starting to snap off photos in my pocket. No joke.
    >
    > These buttons can get pressed simply by sitting down or walking. I'm
    > starting to lose patience with LG.
    >
    > (I *knew* that switching away from Motorola was a crap-shoot, but the
    > salesman at verizon insisted that he has seen no issues whatsoever with
    > this phone.)
    >
    > Motorola's will disable some of such functionality when the clamshell is
    > closed.
    >
    > Is there any software update available at all that will give me an option
    > to fully disable the side buttons when the clamshell is closed??????
    >
    > Thanks!!!
    >
    >
    > --
    > With knowledge comes sorrow.
    >
    >






  3. #3
    paul j.
    Guest

    Re: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)

    On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:08:23 GMT, Thomas G. Marshall wrote:

    > (I *knew* that switching away from Motorola was a crap-shoot, but the
    > salesman at verizon insisted that he has seen no issues whatsoever with this
    > phone.)


    Maybe they don't read newsgroups.
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    They Sang Another Victory Song...



  4. #4
    Roger Binns
    Guest

    Re: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)


    "Thomas G. Marshall" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > Is there any software update available at all that will give me an option to fully disable the side buttons when the clamshell is
    > closed??????


    Nope. This "feature" has been present in LG phones since at least the VX4400.
    I always tell people to call up LG and ask for a fix. You won't get one,
    but at least they will have people, time and money taken up with the issue
    and may actually get a clue one day.

    That said, I have only had it happen to me once (I always keep my phone in my
    pocket). Other people with LG phones seem to have it *A LOT*.

    Roger





  5. #5
    Thomas G. Marshall
    Guest

    DO NOT BUY LG CELL PHONES!!!!!-----WAS: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)

    Roger Binns coughed up:
    > "Thomas G. Marshall"
    > <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]
    >> Is there any software update available at all that will give me an
    >> option to fully disable the side buttons when the clamshell is
    >> closed??????

    >
    > Nope. This "feature" has been present in LG phones since at least
    > the VX4400. I always tell people to call up LG and ask for a fix. You
    > won't get
    > one, but at least they will have people, time and money taken up with the
    > issue and may actually get a clue one day.
    >
    > That said, I have only had it happen to me once (I always keep my
    > phone in my pocket). Other people with LG phones seem to have it *A LOT*.
    >
    > Roger


    I've already emailed both LG and Verizon.

    LG responded quickly with "there is no way we can provide a software fix for
    this, since it is up to verizon to do so."

    Verizon responded with useless bull**** about how to press the keys to
    activate it (something I already understood), and followed with "there is no
    software update to disable this."

    I am left with the following advice to everyone. DO NOT BUY LG.


    --
    "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"





  6. #6
    Dave M.
    Guest

    Re: DO NOT BUY LG CELL PHONES!!!!!-----WAS: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)

    If you don't like it, don't buy it... no big deal. Verizon gives everyone a
    15-day trial period.

    I personally like the LG-VX 6100. I use the plastic holder that comes
    with it and fasten it to my belt. Occasionally I'll put it in a walking
    shorts type pocket w/ no problems. My wife puts hers in her purse w/ no
    problems. Overall I think the LG's are great. If there was something I
    thought was better, I'd buy it. Good luck w/ your choice...





    "Thomas G. Marshall" <[email protected]>
    wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > Roger Binns coughed up:
    >> "Thomas G. Marshall"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> message news:[email protected]
    >>> Is there any software update available at all that will give me an
    >>> option to fully disable the side buttons when the clamshell is
    >>> closed??????

    >>
    >> Nope. This "feature" has been present in LG phones since at least
    >> the VX4400. I always tell people to call up LG and ask for a fix. You
    >> won't get
    >> one, but at least they will have people, time and money taken up with the
    >> issue and may actually get a clue one day.
    >>
    >> That said, I have only had it happen to me once (I always keep my
    >> phone in my pocket). Other people with LG phones seem to have it *A
    >> LOT*.
    >>
    >> Roger

    >
    > I've already emailed both LG and Verizon.
    >
    > LG responded quickly with "there is no way we can provide a software fix
    > for this, since it is up to verizon to do so."
    >
    > Verizon responded with useless bull**** about how to press the keys to
    > activate it (something I already understood), and followed with "there is
    > no software update to disable this."
    >
    > I am left with the following advice to everyone. DO NOT BUY LG.
    >
    >
    > --
    > "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"
    >
    >






  7. #7
    Thomas G. Marshall
    Guest

    Re: DO NOT BUY LG CELL PHONES!!!!!-----WAS: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)

    Dave M. coughed up:
    > If you don't like it, don't buy it... no big deal. Verizon gives
    > everyone a 15-day trial period.


    Please don't top post after others have bottom posted. You're making a HUGE
    mess!

    The trial period is of no use---this is something I discovered after the
    fact.

    Oh well. At least I know a couple of things.

    1. I am only trusting Motorola from now on. They have issues too, but I've
    never had one like this.

    2. I know now to test the side buttons on flip phones to see if what it is
    they do when the clamshell is closed. I never in a million years would have
    guessed that such sensitive buttons on the side of a phone would be allowed
    to switch the phone to manner mode /with the clamshell closed/. It's just
    common sense to not do this---sense LG clearly didn't have. So it never
    occurred to me to check something like this.


    >
    > I personally like the LG-VX 6100. I use the plastic holder that
    > comes with it and fasten it to my belt. Occasionally I'll put it in
    > a walking shorts type pocket w/ no problems. My wife puts hers in
    > her purse w/ no problems. Overall I think the LG's are great. If
    > there was something I thought was better, I'd buy it. Good luck w/
    > your choice...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Thomas G. Marshall"
    > <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]
    >> Roger Binns coughed up:
    >>> "Thomas G. Marshall"
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote in
    >>> message news:[email protected]
    >>>> Is there any software update available at all that will give me an
    >>>> option to fully disable the side buttons when the clamshell is
    >>>> closed??????
    >>>
    >>> Nope. This "feature" has been present in LG phones since at least
    >>> the VX4400. I always tell people to call up LG and ask for a fix. You
    >>> won't get
    >>> one, but at least they will have people, time and money taken up
    >>> with the issue and may actually get a clue one day.
    >>>
    >>> That said, I have only had it happen to me once (I always keep my
    >>> phone in my pocket). Other people with LG phones seem to have it *A
    >>> LOT*.
    >>>
    >>> Roger

    >>
    >> I've already emailed both LG and Verizon.
    >>
    >> LG responded quickly with "there is no way we can provide a software
    >> fix for this, since it is up to verizon to do so."
    >>
    >> Verizon responded with useless bull**** about how to press the keys
    >> to activate it (something I already understood), and followed with
    >> "there is no software update to disable this."
    >>
    >> I am left with the following advice to everyone. DO NOT BUY LG.
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"




    --
    Whyowhydidn'tsunmakejavarequireanuppercaselettertostartclassnames....





  8. #8
    Mij Adyaw
    Guest

    Re: DO NOT BUY LG CELL PHONES!!!!!-----WAS: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)

    Don't put the phone in your pants pocket!!! The phones were not designed to
    be carried in your pants pocket. It reduces the RF signal and you will miss
    incoming calls. Buy a holster for the phone and carry it on your belt.
    Problem solved very easily.


    "Thomas G. Marshall" <[email protected]>
    wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > Dave M. coughed up:
    >> If you don't like it, don't buy it... no big deal. Verizon gives
    >> everyone a 15-day trial period.

    >
    > Please don't top post after others have bottom posted. You're making a
    > HUGE mess!
    >
    > The trial period is of no use---this is something I discovered after the
    > fact.
    >
    > Oh well. At least I know a couple of things.
    >
    > 1. I am only trusting Motorola from now on. They have issues too, but
    > I've never had one like this.
    >
    > 2. I know now to test the side buttons on flip phones to see if what it is
    > they do when the clamshell is closed. I never in a million years would
    > have guessed that such sensitive buttons on the side of a phone would be
    > allowed to switch the phone to manner mode /with the clamshell closed/.
    > It's just common sense to not do this---sense LG clearly didn't have. So
    > it never occurred to me to check something like this.
    >
    >
    >>
    >> I personally like the LG-VX 6100. I use the plastic holder that
    >> comes with it and fasten it to my belt. Occasionally I'll put it in
    >> a walking shorts type pocket w/ no problems. My wife puts hers in
    >> her purse w/ no problems. Overall I think the LG's are great. If
    >> there was something I thought was better, I'd buy it. Good luck w/
    >> your choice...
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Thomas G. Marshall"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> message news:[email protected]
    >>> Roger Binns coughed up:
    >>>> "Thomas G. Marshall"
    >>>> <[email protected]> wrote in
    >>>> message news:[email protected]
    >>>>> Is there any software update available at all that will give me an
    >>>>> option to fully disable the side buttons when the clamshell is
    >>>>> closed??????
    >>>>
    >>>> Nope. This "feature" has been present in LG phones since at least
    >>>> the VX4400. I always tell people to call up LG and ask for a fix. You
    >>>> won't get
    >>>> one, but at least they will have people, time and money taken up
    >>>> with the issue and may actually get a clue one day.
    >>>>
    >>>> That said, I have only had it happen to me once (I always keep my
    >>>> phone in my pocket). Other people with LG phones seem to have it *A
    >>>> LOT*.
    >>>>
    >>>> Roger
    >>>
    >>> I've already emailed both LG and Verizon.
    >>>
    >>> LG responded quickly with "there is no way we can provide a software
    >>> fix for this, since it is up to verizon to do so."
    >>>
    >>> Verizon responded with useless bull**** about how to press the keys
    >>> to activate it (something I already understood), and followed with
    >>> "there is no software update to disable this."
    >>>
    >>> I am left with the following advice to everyone. DO NOT BUY LG.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"

    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > Whyowhydidn'tsunmakejavarequireanuppercaselettertostartclassnames....
    >
    >






  9. #9
    Mij Adyaw
    Guest

    Re: DO NOT BUY LG CELL PHONES!!!!!-----WAS: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)

    It is not just the antenna poking you problem. The antenna is so close to
    your body that it significantly attenuates the RF performance of the phone.
    Cell phone signals are also vertically polarized and therefore the phone
    should be kept upright for optimal performance. This is a very well known
    fact in RF engineering. Why don't you just get a leather case or pouch and
    carry the phone on your belt?


    "Sentinel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >I have tried to carry that phone in my pocket and it is painful. That
    > antena pokes you and I think it could break off. It is no good in a
    > pocket.
    >
    > On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:39:59 -0700, Mij Adyaw wrote:
    >
    >>Don't put the phone in your pants pocket!!! The phones were not designed
    >>to
    >>be carried in your pants pocket. It reduces the RF signal and you will
    >>miss
    >>incoming calls. Buy a holster for the phone and carry it on your belt.
    >>Problem solved very easily.
    >>
    >>
    >>"Thomas G. Marshall"
    >><[email protected]>
    >>wrote in message news:[email protected]
    >>> Dave M. coughed up:
    >>>> If you don't like it, don't buy it... no big deal. Verizon gives
    >>>> everyone a 15-day trial period.
    >>>
    >>> Please don't top post after others have bottom posted. You're making a
    >>> HUGE mess!
    >>>
    >>> The trial period is of no use---this is something I discovered after the
    >>> fact.
    >>>
    >>> Oh well. At least I know a couple of things.
    >>>
    >>> 1. I am only trusting Motorola from now on. They have issues too, but
    >>> I've never had one like this.
    >>>
    >>> 2. I know now to test the side buttons on flip phones to see if what it
    >>> is
    >>> they do when the clamshell is closed. I never in a million years would
    >>> have guessed that such sensitive buttons on the side of a phone would be
    >>> allowed to switch the phone to manner mode /with the clamshell closed/.
    >>> It's just common sense to not do this---sense LG clearly didn't have.
    >>> So
    >>> it never occurred to me to check something like this.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I personally like the LG-VX 6100. I use the plastic holder that
    >>>> comes with it and fasten it to my belt. Occasionally I'll put it in
    >>>> a walking shorts type pocket w/ no problems. My wife puts hers in
    >>>> her purse w/ no problems. Overall I think the LG's are great. If
    >>>> there was something I thought was better, I'd buy it. Good luck w/
    >>>> your choice...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Thomas G. Marshall"
    >>>> <[email protected]> wrote in
    >>>> message news:[email protected]
    >>>>> Roger Binns coughed up:
    >>>>>> "Thomas G. Marshall"
    >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote in
    >>>>>> message news:[email protected]
    >>>>>>> Is there any software update available at all that will give me an
    >>>>>>> option to fully disable the side buttons when the clamshell is
    >>>>>>> closed??????
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Nope. This "feature" has been present in LG phones since at least
    >>>>>> the VX4400. I always tell people to call up LG and ask for a fix. You
    >>>>>> won't get
    >>>>>> one, but at least they will have people, time and money taken up
    >>>>>> with the issue and may actually get a clue one day.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> That said, I have only had it happen to me once (I always keep my
    >>>>>> phone in my pocket). Other people with LG phones seem to have it *A
    >>>>>> LOT*.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Roger
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I've already emailed both LG and Verizon.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> LG responded quickly with "there is no way we can provide a software
    >>>>> fix for this, since it is up to verizon to do so."
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Verizon responded with useless bull**** about how to press the keys
    >>>>> to activate it (something I already understood), and followed with
    >>>>> "there is no software update to disable this."
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I am left with the following advice to everyone. DO NOT BUY LG.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Whyowhydidn'tsunmakejavarequireanuppercaselettertostartclassnames....
    >>>
    >>>

    >>

    >






  10. #10
    Thomas G. Marshall
    Guest

    Re: DO NOT BUY LG CELL PHONES!!!!!-----WAS: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)

    Mij Adyaw coughed up:
    > It is not just the antenna poking you problem. The antenna is so
    > close to your body that it significantly attenuates the RF
    > performance of the phone. Cell phone signals are also vertically
    > polarized and therefore the phone should be kept upright for optimal
    > performance. This is a very well known fact in RF engineering. Why
    > don't you just get a leather case or pouch and carry the phone on
    > your belt?



    1. I read a complaint that even having that phone on a clip will cause the
    same behavior, since it is easy to move in such a way that the button is
    pressed.

    2. I do not /want/ a phone anywhere but in my pocket. It's a matter of
    what you're used to, and what you like. If I cannot put a phone in my
    pocket, then I don't want it. Period, end of chapter, end of story.

    After my eons of having a wired-into-the-car phones (all Motorola), I
    switched to the StarTac. Awesome phone. In the pocket. No issues, except
    that the antenna tip was allowed to bend. $10 fix every year or so.
    Eventually I switched to a moto T720i. Perfect in the pocket. Now this
    phone. Except for the stupid buttons, it'd be fine in the pocket.

    To me, phones, loose change, keys, are all pocket items. There's nothing
    wrong with that.



    --
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    that evolve and how they interact, hunt, swim, etc. (Unaffiliated with
    me). http://www.frams.alife.pl/





  11. #11
    Not Me
    Guest

    Re: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)


    "Roger Binns"

    | > Is there any software update available at all that will give me an
    option to fully disable the side buttons when the clamshell is
    | > closed??????
    |
    | Nope. This "feature" has been present in LG phones since at least the
    VX4400.
    | I always tell people to call up LG and ask for a fix. You won't get one,
    | but at least they will have people, time and money taken up with the issue
    | and may actually get a clue one day.

    LG tells folk that the 'feature' is a VZN requirement and to call VZN.

    VZN's responce is it's a 'feature'





  12. #12
    Not Me
    Guest

    Re: DO NOT BUY LG CELL PHONES!!!!!-----WAS: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)


    "Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    | Don't put the phone in your pants pocket!!! The phones were not designed
    to
    | be carried in your pants pocket. It reduces the RF signal and you will
    miss
    | incoming calls. Buy a holster for the phone and carry it on your belt.
    | Problem solved very easily.
    |

    Just how great is the RF attenuation from resting in my pocket vs. that on
    the side of the belt? Same applies to the phone in my wife's purse or in my
    brief case covered by car keys and whatever other 'stuff' might be in there
    as well?





  13. #13
    Mij Adyaw
    Guest

    Re: DO NOT BUY LG CELL PHONES!!!!!-----WAS: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)

    Physical proximity of the phone antenna to your body causes the phone to
    loose signal. The body is a very good attenuator of RF signals. If you do
    not believe this, in a low signal area, note the reading on the phone's
    signal meter and then hold your hand against the antenna. You will notice
    that the signal meter will drop a bar or two. When the phone is on your belt
    it is not in direct contact with your body, the signal is not attenuated as
    much a if the phone is in your pants pocket.


    "Not Me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > | Don't put the phone in your pants pocket!!! The phones were not designed
    > to
    > | be carried in your pants pocket. It reduces the RF signal and you will
    > miss
    > | incoming calls. Buy a holster for the phone and carry it on your belt.
    > | Problem solved very easily.
    > |
    >
    > Just how great is the RF attenuation from resting in my pocket vs. that on
    > the side of the belt? Same applies to the phone in my wife's purse or in
    > my
    > brief case covered by car keys and whatever other 'stuff' might be in
    > there
    > as well?
    >
    >






  14. #14
    Thomas G. Marshall
    Guest

    Re: DO NOT BUY LG CELL PHONES!!!!!-----WAS: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)

    Mij Adyaw coughed up:
    > Physical proximity of the phone antenna to your body causes the phone
    > to loose signal. The body is a very good attenuator of RF signals. If
    > you do not believe this, in a low signal area, note the reading on
    > the phone's signal meter and then hold your hand against the antenna.
    > You will notice that the signal meter will drop a bar or two. When
    > the phone is on your belt it is not in direct contact with your body,
    > the signal is not attenuated as much a if the phone is in your pants
    > pocket.


    Please STOP top posting after others have bottom posted!!! It makes a mess
    of the messages and is VERY RUDE!!!

    Regarding your reply: Is the attenuation directly related to the water in
    the body? Curious.

    In any case, I've not missed calls before with [moto] cell phones in my
    pocket---at least no one, particularly my wife, have complained about not
    getting to me. But with this LG, I *do* miss the call when it's vibrating.
    Perhaps the ring volume is alterable as well by the side buttons with the
    clamshell closed, which could definitely cause missed calls, but I'll have
    to experiment with that.

    And the point is moot: I think a cell phone stuck on the belt looks
    silly---I /want/ the thing in my pocket.


    >
    >
    > "Not Me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >>
    >> "Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>> Don't put the phone in your pants pocket!!! The phones were not
    >>> designed to be carried in your pants pocket. It reduces the RF
    >>> signal and you will miss incoming calls. Buy a holster for the
    >>> phone and carry it on your belt. Problem solved very easily.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Just how great is the RF attenuation from resting in my pocket vs.
    >> that on the side of the belt? Same applies to the phone in my
    >> wife's purse or in my
    >> brief case covered by car keys and whatever other 'stuff' might be in
    >> there
    >> as well?




    --
    "Well, ain't this place a geographical oddity!
    Two weeks from everywhere!"





  15. #15
    Thomas G. Marshall
    Guest

    Re: LG VX6100 switches to "Manner Mode" in my pocket(!!)

    Not Me coughed up:
    > "Roger Binns"
    >
    >>> Is there any software update available at all that will give me an

    > option to fully disable the side buttons when the clamshell is
    >>> closed??????

    >>
    >> Nope. This "feature" has been present in LG phones since at least
    >> the VX4400. I always tell people to call up LG and ask for a fix.
    >> You won't get one, but at least they will have people, time and
    >> money taken up with the issue and may actually get a clue one day.

    >
    > LG tells folk that the 'feature' is a VZN requirement and to call VZN.
    >
    > VZN's responce is it's a 'feature'


    Bingo. Did you get that from my post alone, or did you bump into the same
    thing, or are you merely guessing really well?


    --
    "Well, ain't this place a geographical oddity!
    Two weeks from everywhere!"





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