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  1. #31
    The Real Bev
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    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    "Tush Smells Bush Kills!!!!!!!!!!!" wrote:
    >
    > I have an old Panasonic cordless with speakerphone on the base and the
    > handset. It's about 5 years old.


    So do I, now :-( Have you ever taken the handset apart? I hate opening
    something by bashing it with a hammer or prying randomly with a screwdriver.
    Everything seems to work except for the near-silence of the handset which
    makes it useless.

    --
    Cheers,
    Bev
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  2. #32
    Jonathan Kamens
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    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    Andrew White <[email protected]> writes:
    >"Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>I would go to http://www.ftc.gov/ and file a complaint.

    >And what would this complaint be about?? A private company raising its
    >prices? Wow! That's like totally unheard of in a capitalist system!


    Before the FTC and SEC approve large mergers, one of the questions they
    look at is not the legality of the merger, but rather whether the
    merger will benefit consumers. Another question they look at is
    whether the merger will create a monopoly or near-monopoly situation
    which would allow the merged corporation to inappropriately take
    advantage of its monopoly status to take advantage of consumers. It is
    therefore reasonable to let the FTC know after the merger of a result,
    of the merger, legal or not, which is detrimental to consumers.



  3. #33
    Jonathan Kamens
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    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    Andrew White <[email protected]> writes:
    >(a) The merger has been approved a long time ago. There's no way to
    >undo it. What's the point of locking the barn after the horses have
    >been stolen?


    First of all, part of the process improvement methodology is analysis
    of the results of completed processes to evaluate whether they were as
    expected and, if not, whether anything might be done differently in the
    future to make actual results more closely resemble expected results.

    Second, the change to the Free2Go rates was made only in the last few
    months, so if the FTC really felt that a serious violation of the
    letter or the spirit of the merger restrictions had taken place, they
    could order Cingular to restore the previous rates and "make whole"
    consumers who have suffered so far from the change.

    Complaining to the FTC is simply giving them data. They are in a
    position to amalgamate data from many consumers and decide what
    action, if any, should be taken based on that data. Individual
    consumers are not, so it's perfectly reasonable for individual
    consumers to complain to the FTC and let them decide whether any
    action should be taken.

    >(b) AT&T/Cingular have NO monopolistic powers whatsoever. Cell phone
    >service market remains a highly competitive one, the prepaid market
    >even more. The example given by the poster by no means indicates any
    >possibility of a monopolistic power exercise.


    Perhaps you're right, but I was answering the general question, "Why
    would it be appropriate to complain to the FTC about a company raising
    rates after a merger?" rather than limiting my answer to the case of
    Cingular / AT&T.

    Also, whether or not a particular corporation enjoys a monopoly or a
    semi-monopoly is not always obvious; the criteria that the government
    uses to decide such things are not transparent, to say the least.
    Again, the FTC is in a better position to judge what to do with the
    data than an individual consumer is.



  4. #34
    Stanley Reynolds
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    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    > Seems strange that the merger would help TDMA signals, since
    > Cingular was all GSM, which is what AT&T was switching to. Now,
    > if you were an AT&T GSM customer, I could see how the addition
    > of Cingular's towers would help.
    >

    Guess it depends where you are but both AT&TW and Cingular provide TDMA
    coverage here (centeral Alabama) before and after the merger. GSM coverage
    still lags behind TDMA here. I guess you can assume that AMPS and TDMA
    coverage would suffer as GSM is added but I've seen little evidence of it,
    would expect the problems would be in large markets where spectrum is
    limited and use is high. Note a dual band handset is needed in many
    locations where Cingular and AT&TW use different bands. Note my best
    coverage at home and most used phone is Cingular 800Mhz TDMA, I also have
    other phones I use :

    Sprint 1900 CDMA
    Nextel 800 iden
    Southern Link 800 iden
    Verizon 800 CDMA
    Cingular 1900/800 GSM
    Cingular 1900/800 GSM, TDMA, AMPS
    T-mobile 1900 GSM





  5. #35
    Jonathan Kamens
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    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    Andrew White <[email protected]> writes:
    >You sure give FTC a lot of credit. It almost sounds like you believe
    >their goal is to protect consumers! You can't be that naive, can you?


    Andrew, it took a while and several threads, but this is the last
    straw. you've finally convinced me that I'm never going to derive any
    benefit from anything you post.

    *plonk*



  6. #36
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    Andrew White wrote:

    > Why? Because you're too stupid or stubborn to recognize the truth?


    The FTC is glacially slow to act, but they do actually act in the consumer's
    interest more often than most other government agencies.

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  7. #37
    keith
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    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    On Sun, 08 May 2005 23:47:32 +0000, Jonathan Kamens wrote:

    > Andrew White <[email protected]> writes:
    >>You sure give FTC a lot of credit. It almost sounds like you believe
    >>their goal is to protect consumers! You can't be that naive, can you?

    >
    > Andrew, it took a while and several threads, but this is the last
    > straw. you've finally convinced me that I'm never going to derive any
    > benefit from anything you post.


    You must derive some sort of "benefit" from other's posts? COuld it be
    that you're wrong? Does your ego need stroking that badly?
    >
    > *plonk*


    Amazing.

    --
    Keith



  8. #38
    Jonathan Kamens
    Guest

    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    keith <[email protected]> writes:
    >You must derive some sort of "benefit" from other's posts?


    Yes. Sometimes I learn things. Sometimes what other people have to
    say convinces me that I'm wrong about something, and I change my mind.
    That's what this neat thing called "intelligent discourse" is all
    about. I've been on the Usenet for 18 years, and I still haven't lost
    hope that there are a few souls here who, like me, are actually
    interested in intelligent discourse.

    >COuld it be
    >that you're wrong? Does your ego need stroking that badly?


    And then there are the people, many more of them unfortunately, who are
    only here to bait and insult others.

    *plonk*



  9. #39

    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    Jonathan Kamens wrote:

    > Before Cingular merged with AT&T wireless, subscribers to the
    > AT&T wireless "Free2Go" prepaid calling plan could keep a
    > prepaid account active by paying only $10 every 90 days.


    The best option for prepaid is now CallPlus. You only have to buy $10
    every 90 days ($3.33/month).

    See "http://callpluswireless.com/html/cpw_faqs.html" (they have a
    terrible web site, and it is very difficult to figure out how to
    activate; you have to call them, and it takes just a few minutes). The
    per-minute charge is rather high (25 cents), but I wanted this for
    urgent use only, so it is okay for my needs.

    I activated an old TDMA phone on CallPlus for my daughter. Too bad if
    her friends have fancy camera phones; when I was a kid we had to use
    these phones where you put coins in. Actually, I would have added her
    to my Verizon plan for $10/month, except if I change my plan to a
    family plan, I will lose my 8:01 p.m. off peak start time, which is
    grandfathered into my current plan.




  10. #40

    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    Brian Beuchaw wrote:

    > Yeah, pre-paid seems to be the service none of the vendors want to

    supply
    > (or at least make it easy to supply), even though *lots* of people

    want
    > it. We're ditching Free2Go on 7/15 (when our minutes expire) and

    going
    > with Virgin Mobile (we only have a cellphone for very, very, very
    > occasional use and want to pay as little as possible since we

    probably use
    > 30 minutes a year on it, if that).


    CallPlus is cheaper, and has better coverage.




  11. #41

    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    googled wrote:

    > Cheapest prepaid cell service for infrequent or emergency calling is
    > Beyond Wireless at http://www.gobeyondwireless.com/ .


    That's a very good deal, especially since you don't have to add time to
    keep the phone number active. Too bad it's only available in those few
    states.

    I activated an old TDMA phone on CallPlus, but it's $3.33 month
    minumum, and 25 cents per minute at that rate.

    The CDMA and GSM prepaid is much more. Also, I can't use GSM where I
    live (Silicon Valley), as the coverage is extremely poor. CDMA and TDMA
    are fine.




  12. #42
    Steve
    Guest

    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    [email protected] wrote:
    >The best option for prepaid is now CallPlus. You only have to buy $10
    >every 90 days ($3.33/month).
    >See "http://callpluswireless.com/html/cpw_faqs.html" (they have a
    >terrible web site, and it is very difficult to figure out how to
    >activate; you have to call them, and it takes just a few minutes).


    Or try http://www.pharosint.com/CallPlus_pins_buy.html





  13. #43
    Steven M. Scharf
    Guest

    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    Steve wrote:

    > [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>The best option for prepaid is now CallPlus. You only have to buy $10
    >>every 90 days ($3.33/month).
    >>See "http://callpluswireless.com/html/cpw_faqs.html" (they have a
    >>terrible web site, and it is very difficult to figure out how to
    >>activate; you have to call them, and it takes just a few minutes).

    >
    >
    > Or try http://www.pharosint.com/CallPlus_pins_buy.html


    You're better off calling directly to the phone number on
    "http://callpluswireless.com/html/cpw_faqs.html" because
    there is no fee for activating a phone, and they do it right
    away, versus Pharos's requirement to do things by snail-mail.

    In fact you get 50 minutes for 90 days, for free, when you
    activate directly.

    Pharos used to be the only place to buy a $10 card, but you can
    buy these directly now as well.

    I get a very good TDMA signal in my city, much better than Sprint PCS or
    Cingular or T-Mobile GSM, so I'm happy with CallPlus for now (until
    Cingular starts deactivating the AT&T TDMA network!).




  14. #44
    The Real Bev
    Guest

    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger

    "Steven M. Scharf" wrote:
    >
    > Steve wrote:
    >
    > > [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >>The best option for prepaid is now CallPlus. You only have to buy $10
    > >>every 90 days ($3.33/month).
    > >>See "http://callpluswireless.com/html/cpw_faqs.html" (they have a
    > >>terrible web site, and it is very difficult to figure out how to
    > >>activate; you have to call them, and it takes just a few minutes).

    > >
    > > Or try http://www.pharosint.com/CallPlus_pins_buy.html

    >
    > You're better off calling directly to the phone number on
    > "http://callpluswireless.com/html/cpw_faqs.html" because
    > there is no fee for activating a phone, and they do it right
    > away, versus Pharos's requirement to do things by snail-mail.


    Only the first time, and it only took a few days. The guy clearly sent the
    package the same or the next day.

    --
    Cheers,
    Bev
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    "I don't need instructions, I have a hammer."
    -- T.W. Wier



  15. #45
    Russell
    Guest

    Re: Cingular screws over AT&T Free2Go customers after merger


    "googled" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Jonathan Kamens" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Before Cingular merged with AT&T wireless, subscribers to the
    >> AT&T wireless "Free2Go" prepaid calling plan could keep a
    >> prepaid account active by paying only $10 every 90 days.
    >> This was perfect for my wife, who rarely uses her cell phone
    >> but occasionally finds it useful to have one.
    >>
    >> After the merger, I can't add $10 to the account at all, $15
    >> expires in 30 days rather than 90 days, and I have to add at
    >> least $25 to the account to keep it active for 90 days.
    >>
    >> In short, after the merger the prepaid account costs 150% more
    >> than it did before the merger.
    >>
    >> I see other postings about this, but I don't see anything
    >> which makes it perfectly clear just how badly they've screwed
    >> over occasional users with this change. Outrageous!
    >>
    >> Yes, sir, these mega-mergers sure do benefit the consumer! If
    >> you believe that, I've got some nice land in Florida I'd like
    >> to sell you.

    >
    > Cheapest prepaid cell service for infrequent or emergency calling is
    > Beyond
    > Wireless at http://www.gobeyondwireless.com/ . All you need is a TDMA
    > phone
    > thats works on the old ATT network. Only have to use one minute every 60
    > days to keep phone alive. $10.00 get 80 minutes (0.125/min).
    >
    > Downsides are local numbers in only seven states, on network coverage is
    > only old ATT TDMA network and roaming costs 4 times the on network rate. I
    > have had service since January, 2005 with no problems using the phone
    > around
    > the country (only used 15 minutes airtime).
    >
    >


    Yes, the original poster should have no trouble (once the ESN is released)
    switching to Beyond Wireless. I have 4 cell-phones on their service and
    average a total of $5 per month on them. And they don't even have a local
    area code for me! Love their customer service and prices.

    Russell





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