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  1. #16
    Richie
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    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:

    "Danska" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    >>

    > Doesn't that have like 3000 minutes or something? With that many minutes,
    > would rollover even matter?
    >

    I have a family plan and I need to call outside of my region (California and
    Nevada). If i were on T-Mobile, i'd have to use a calling card at
    additional cost. That plan does not quite fit me, but it's a great plan.





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  2. #17
    Michael
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    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:


    "Richie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I have a family plan and I need to call outside of my region (California and
    > Nevada). If i were on T-Mobile, i'd have to use a calling card at additional
    > cost. That plan does not quite fit me, but it's a great plan.


    Here in Oregon they have a Get More Promo 1000 :45.99
    1000 minutes UNlimited weekend-weeknights Free domestic long distance
    No digital roaming charges anywhere across the USA.








  3. #18
    Steven M. Scharf
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    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Being away from the US for sometime, I was aware that Cingular and AT&T
    > merged but I wasn't aware that Cingular & T-Mobiles' network sharing
    > deal ended and that Cingular actually sold their CA & NV networks to
    > T-Mobile, until recently.


    <snip>

    The big advantage to Cingular is that most of their GSM network is now at
    800 Mhz (or they have both 800 Mhz and 1900 Mhz). The 1900 Mhz network is
    markedly inferior (i.e. their old California/Nevada network). The merger
    with AT&T really helped Cingular's California customers who wanted to use
    their phones inside big buildings. Of course you have to get a dual band
    phone to take advantage of this, and there are still a lot of Californians
    with older 1900 Mhz only phones, that don't realize that if they'd change
    handsets that they'd be much better off.





  4. #19
    Steven M. Scharf
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    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:

    "JohnF" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > All very good points. Except that it not good enough to check the maps but
    > to actually have a phone in hand and try it in the places you'll likely be
    > using the phone. In my case lack of coverage for TMo in my area drove me

    to
    > ATT. Just as lack of coverage for Cingular GSM after the merger keeps me

    on
    > TDMA.


    While TDMA still has better coverage than GSM, the Cingular GSM coverage did
    improve after the merger, at least in the western region, because AT&T had
    the more valuable 800 Mhz spectrum out here.





  5. #20
    BruceR
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    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:

    Can you tell me more about why 1900 is markedly inferior to 800? Is that
    because the longer wavelength will have better building penetration or
    is there something else/more? Not challenging you on this - just
    wanting to learn more. I have TMo now and can use my v3 in the elevator
    of my office building which is a 25 story granite clad building. That
    being said, it wouldn't surprise me if one of the many antennas on the
    building was a TMo site.

    From:Steven M. Scharf
    [email protected]

    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Being away from the US for sometime, I was aware that Cingular and
    >> AT&T merged but I wasn't aware that Cingular & T-Mobiles' network
    >> sharing deal ended and that Cingular actually sold their CA & NV
    >> networks to T-Mobile, until recently.

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > The big advantage to Cingular is that most of their GSM network is
    > now at 800 Mhz (or they have both 800 Mhz and 1900 Mhz). The 1900 Mhz
    > network is markedly inferior (i.e. their old California/Nevada
    > network). The merger with AT&T really helped Cingular's California
    > customers who wanted to use their phones inside big buildings. Of
    > course you have to get a dual band phone to take advantage of this,
    > and there are still a lot of Californians with older 1900 Mhz only
    > phones, that don't realize that if they'd change handsets that they'd
    > be much better off.






  6. #21
    Richie
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    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:

    I think this issue has been discuss at nauseum on many different forums.
    There does not seem to be any conscensus that lower frequency is better
    inside buildings because carriers can building their networks to compensate
    in many ways. The quality of the infrastructure is key.

    Personally, in San Diego, I'm much happier with 850MHz. I asked Cingular to
    set my phone to prefer the AT&T network and I now have super coverage at my
    home and my friend's home. The coverage there was terrible before. Just my
    personal observation.


    "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Can you tell me more about why 1900 is markedly inferior to 800? Is that
    > because the longer wavelength will have better building penetration or is
    > there something else/more? Not challenging you on this - just wanting to
    > learn more. I have TMo now and can use my v3 in the elevator of my office
    > building which is a 25 story granite clad building. That being said, it
    > wouldn't surprise me if one of the many antennas on the building was a TMo
    > site.
    >
    > From:Steven M. Scharf
    > [email protected]
    >
    >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>> Being away from the US for sometime, I was aware that Cingular and
    >>> AT&T merged but I wasn't aware that Cingular & T-Mobiles' network
    >>> sharing deal ended and that Cingular actually sold their CA & NV
    >>> networks to T-Mobile, until recently.

    >>
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >> The big advantage to Cingular is that most of their GSM network is
    >> now at 800 Mhz (or they have both 800 Mhz and 1900 Mhz). The 1900 Mhz
    >> network is markedly inferior (i.e. their old California/Nevada
    >> network). The merger with AT&T really helped Cingular's California
    >> customers who wanted to use their phones inside big buildings. Of
    >> course you have to get a dual band phone to take advantage of this,
    >> and there are still a lot of Californians with older 1900 Mhz only
    >> phones, that don't realize that if they'd change handsets that they'd
    >> be much better off.

    >
    >






  7. #22
    Mike Schumann
    Guest

    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:

    Lower frequencies have better penetration thru and around obstacles.

    Mike Schumann

    "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Can you tell me more about why 1900 is markedly inferior to 800? Is that
    > because the longer wavelength will have better building penetration or is
    > there something else/more? Not challenging you on this - just wanting to
    > learn more. I have TMo now and can use my v3 in the elevator of my office
    > building which is a 25 story granite clad building. That being said, it
    > wouldn't surprise me if one of the many antennas on the building was a TMo
    > site.
    >
    > From:Steven M. Scharf
    > [email protected]
    >
    >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>> Being away from the US for sometime, I was aware that Cingular and
    >>> AT&T merged but I wasn't aware that Cingular & T-Mobiles' network
    >>> sharing deal ended and that Cingular actually sold their CA & NV
    >>> networks to T-Mobile, until recently.

    >>
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >> The big advantage to Cingular is that most of their GSM network is
    >> now at 800 Mhz (or they have both 800 Mhz and 1900 Mhz). The 1900 Mhz
    >> network is markedly inferior (i.e. their old California/Nevada
    >> network). The merger with AT&T really helped Cingular's California
    >> customers who wanted to use their phones inside big buildings. Of
    >> course you have to get a dual band phone to take advantage of this,
    >> and there are still a lot of Californians with older 1900 Mhz only
    >> phones, that don't realize that if they'd change handsets that they'd
    >> be much better off.

    >
    >






  8. #23
    BruceR
    Guest

    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:

    OK, thanks, that's what I thought you meant. While, all things being
    equal, that's true, I'm not sure if that translates to markedly better
    service in a given location. Properly engineered, which might mean more
    towers and/or more power, I think that performance can show up as equal
    for a given coverage area. In any case, I'm glad I have a quad band
    phone!

    From:Mike Schumann
    [email protected]

    > Lower frequencies have better penetration thru and around obstacles.
    >
    > Mike Schumann
    >
    > "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Can you tell me more about why 1900 is markedly inferior to 800? Is
    >> that because the longer wavelength will have better building
    >> penetration or is there something else/more? Not challenging you on
    >> this - just wanting to learn more. I have TMo now and can use my v3
    >> in the elevator of my office building which is a 25 story granite
    >> clad building. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if one of
    >> the many antennas on the building was a TMo site.
    >>
    >> From:Steven M. Scharf
    >> [email protected]
    >>
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]
    >>>> Being away from the US for sometime, I was aware that Cingular and
    >>>> AT&T merged but I wasn't aware that Cingular & T-Mobiles' network
    >>>> sharing deal ended and that Cingular actually sold their CA & NV
    >>>> networks to T-Mobile, until recently.
    >>>
    >>> <snip>
    >>>
    >>> The big advantage to Cingular is that most of their GSM network is
    >>> now at 800 Mhz (or they have both 800 Mhz and 1900 Mhz). The 1900
    >>> Mhz network is markedly inferior (i.e. their old California/Nevada
    >>> network). The merger with AT&T really helped Cingular's California
    >>> customers who wanted to use their phones inside big buildings. Of
    >>> course you have to get a dual band phone to take advantage of this,
    >>> and there are still a lot of Californians with older 1900 Mhz only
    >>> phones, that don't realize that if they'd change handsets that
    >>> they'd be much better off.






  9. #24
    John Richards
    Guest

    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:

    "Richie" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    >I think this issue has been discuss at nauseum on many different forums.
    > There does not seem to be any conscensus that lower frequency is better
    > inside buildings because carriers can building their networks to compensate
    > in many ways. The quality of the infrastructure is key.


    Sure there is a consensus. Ask any RF engineer, and he will tell you that,
    all other things being equal, a longer wavelength will penetrate buildings
    and foliage better than shorter wavelength RF. Yes, there are expensive
    ways to attempt to compensate for it (more tower sites, repeaters inside
    buildings, etc.) but that doesn't refute the basic premise.

    --
    John Richards



  10. #25
    Danska
    Guest

    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:


    "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Richie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> I have a family plan and I need to call outside of my region (California
    >> and Nevada). If i were on T-Mobile, i'd have to use a calling card at
    >> additional cost. That plan does not quite fit me, but it's a great plan.

    >
    > Here in Oregon they have a Get More Promo 1000 :45.99
    > 1000 minutes UNlimited weekend-weeknights Free domestic long distance
    > No digital roaming charges anywhere across the USA.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >


    That's the one im on. It's pretty sweet.





  11. #26
    Mike Schumann
    Guest

    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:

    What's even sweeter is if you are grandfathered in on the old 29 cents /
    minute international roaming rates to Europe.

    Mike Schumann

    "Danska" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >>
    >> "Richie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>> I have a family plan and I need to call outside of my region (California
    >>> and Nevada). If i were on T-Mobile, i'd have to use a calling card at
    >>> additional cost. That plan does not quite fit me, but it's a great
    >>> plan.

    >>
    >> Here in Oregon they have a Get More Promo 1000 :45.99
    >> 1000 minutes UNlimited weekend-weeknights Free domestic long distance
    >> No digital roaming charges anywhere across the USA.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > That's the one im on. It's pretty sweet.
    >






  12. #27
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:


    "Danska" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Here in Oregon they have a Get More Promo 1000 :45.99
    >> 1000 minutes UNlimited weekend-weeknights Free domestic long distance
    >> No digital roaming charges anywhere across the USA.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > That's the one im on. It's pretty sweet.


    That is a very nice service ....I jumped on the 39.99 600 minutes
    UNlimited THREE DAY Weekend (FRIDAY,Sat,Sun) UNlimited weeknights
    Free domestic long distance No digital roaming charges anywhere across the USA.

    They shut this one down after about a month but I snagged it, I had been
    grandfathered for about 3 years (Voicesteam) but couldn't pass that plan up.

    Michael in Oregon






  13. #28
    MS
    Guest

    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    > I don't have service yet with
    > either carrier so I just want to see if there is any real reason to
    > consider T-Mobile - and if so, WHY?


    Did you not look at prices of monthly plans, and what you get for them?

    With T-Mobile (California) for $39.99 monthly I get 1000 anytime minutes,
    unlimited weekends, free long distance, no roaming charges, etc. Through a
    $2.99 monthly T-Zones add-on I get Internet connectivity.

    Could you get a rate anywhere near as good as that for that service level
    from Cingular?





  14. #29

    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:

    On Thu, 19 May 2005 23:31:43 -0700, "MS" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    ><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >
    >> I don't have service yet with
    >> either carrier so I just want to see if there is any real reason to
    >> consider T-Mobile - and if so, WHY?

    >
    >Did you not look at prices of monthly plans, and what you get for them?
    >
    >With T-Mobile (California) for $39.99 monthly I get 1000 anytime minutes,
    >unlimited weekends, free long distance, no roaming charges, etc. Through a
    >$2.99 monthly T-Zones add-on I get Internet connectivity.
    >
    >Could you get a rate anywhere near as good as that for that service level
    >from Cingular?
    >


    No but at least I have coverage with Cingular.



  15. #30
    MS
    Guest

    Re: Questions regarding the end of Cingular/T-Mobile network sharing:


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    > >Could you get a rate anywhere near as good as that for that service level
    > >from Cingular?
    > >

    >
    > No but at least I have coverage with Cingular.


    I don't understand that response. Please explain.

    If you mean you have had trouble getting a signal with T-Mobile (were you
    formerly a T-Mobile user?), that certainly is not the case with me. I have
    got good reception with T-Mobile just about every place I have been with the
    phone. I have never been on Cingular, so cannot compare, but the T-Mo
    coverage is certainly much better than with my former carrier, Sprint. (It's
    been a couple years since I have had Sprint though, I don't know if they
    have improved since then.) As the OP wrote Cingular has been using T-Mobile
    towers, and I think vice versa, so I don't know how their "coverage"would be
    much different.

    One thing I would grant an edge to Cingular in---phone selection! Cingular
    has a much better selection of phones to choose from than T-Mobile,
    including smartphones, RAZR, etc. T-Mobile has been pretty lame in the area
    of phone selection. Of course though, one can always buy any unlocked GSM
    phone, and use it on T-Mobile. (I just got fed up myself with waiting for
    T-Mobile to offer a phone I'd like, and bought an SMT5600, had it unlocked,
    and am using it on T-Mo.)





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