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  1. #136
    Steven M. Scharf
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
    <[email protected]> wrote in

    > > Do they charge the sender to send a text message from a computer to a

    phone?
    >
    > Sometimes. Depends on the provider sending the text messages.


    In the U.S., you can send a message to a mobile phone from a regular e-mail,
    without any charge. Some mobile plans don't charge for incoming text
    messages. I.e., I got a prepaid phone for my daughter, it's as low as 10
    cents per minute, no minumums, no expiration of time, and had free incoming
    text messages.





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  2. #137
    Andy Pandy
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Thanks. This confirms what the researcher stated
    > (http://www.econ.cam.ac.uk/dae/repec/...f/cwpe0426.pdf). The cost of
    > mobile phone calls in Europe is much, much higher than in the U.S..
    >
    > It's the carriers in Europe that don't want RPP, since their revenue would
    > plunge as the price of mobile calls drops dramatically.


    Yes.

    > They have succeeded
    > in convincing people that "incoming calls are free," isn't that just
    > terrific?! In fact, the actual cost per call is far higher than under RPP.


    It's not something they ever make a point of, as incoming calls are always
    assumed to be free. What they do do, is use termination charges to subsidise
    "free" handsets and contracts.

    > > I don't know- I would doubt it. Plenty of mobile phone plans have free
    > > (or lots of) minutes for calling landlines (and mobiles on the same
    > > company) though.

    >
    > So the best plan for use in Europe, is to try to always be sure that the
    > mobile phone calls a landline, and to avoid calling a mobile phone whenever
    > possible, due to the high termination charges, unless it's a mobile on the
    > same network.


    Exactly.

    > Do they charge the sender to send a text message from a computer to a phone?


    There used to be a web site that did this free but I think it charges now.

    --
    Andy





  3. #138
    Steven M. Scharf
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:1gx4p8p.zfyi791tue5xtN%[email protected]
    > Steven M. Scharf <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]
    > > >
    > > > "Andy Pandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]
    > > >
    > > > [snip]
    > > >
    > > > > The caller *is* charged a premium for calling 0845 and 0870 numbers

    on
    > > > > nearly
    > > > > all landline tariffs.
    > > > >
    > > > > As for 0800 numbers terminating on a mobile - how much does that

    cost?
    > > > > Massively
    > > > > more than the typical 10c/min US mobile users pay for incoming

    calls,
    > > > > I'd wager.
    > > >
    > > > Where do you get 10c/min..? My friends in the US get their calls taken
    > > > from their (large) bucket of inclusive minutes, they never pay over

    the
    > > > agreed line rental irrespective of the number of incoming or outgoing
    > > > calls they receive/make.

    > >
    > > On prepaid, the best plans charge 10 per minute. See
    > > http://prepaiduswireless.com .

    >
    > Which GSM prepaid plans charge 10 cents a minute? If it didn't need
    > recharging withing 6 months, I'd get on in an instant!


    No, not GSM. Only TDMA. There is a GSM plan that is 10 per minute, but it's
    with a minimum of $25 per month. But in the U.S., TDMA coverage is much,
    much better than GSM coverage, at least for now. And the TDMA phones can
    also use AMPS, which means you get as much coverage as possible (there are
    only two GSM phones that have AMPS capability, and they are not easily
    available).

    See http://prepaiduswireless.com





  4. #139
    {{{{{Welcome}}}}}
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Thus spaketh Andy Pandy:
    > "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> This is a key point. If you look at http://stanaphone.com/ and
    >> compare costs to call the UK, it's 2.5 per minute to call a
    >> landline, and 28.10 to call a mobile phone. So the international
    >> caller is paying about 25 a minute extra to call a mobile phone.
    >>
    >> What is the cost to the caller in the UK, to call a mobile phone in
    >> the UK?

    >
    > It varies greatly depending on which mobile network, which landline
    > provider, and the time of day.
    >
    > Peak rates are generally between 10-22p per min. Off peak and
    > weekends are cheaper.
    >
    > I use TalkTalk for my landline, rates are here (they also show BT
    > rates):
    >
    > http://www.talktalk.co.uk/talktalk/s...s?tariff=TALK1
    >
    >> Are there free nights and weekends for calls to mobile phones?

    >
    > Nope.


    Not thought about using call 18866 or call 1899?





  5. #140
    {{{{{Welcome}}}}}
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Thus spaketh Steven M. Scharf:
    > "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
    > <[email protected]> wrote in
    >
    >>> Do they charge the sender to send a text message from a computer to
    >>> a phone?

    >>
    >> Sometimes. Depends on the provider sending the text messages.

    >
    > In the U.S., you can send a message to a mobile phone from a regular
    > e-mail, without any charge. Some mobile plans don't charge for
    > incoming text messages. I.e., I got a prepaid phone for my daughter,
    > it's as low as 10 cents per minute, no minumums, no expiration of
    > time, and had free incoming text messages.


    No UK operator charges for incoming text messages, except the premium rate
    reversed billed ones, like weather reports, horoscopes etc.

    There are still a few websites that allow you to send for free a text message
    to a mobile.





  6. #141
    Andy Pandy
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Thus spaketh Andy Pandy:
    > > Peak rates are generally between 10-22p per min. Off peak and
    > > weekends are cheaper.
    > >
    > > I use TalkTalk for my landline, rates are here (they also show BT
    > > rates):
    > >
    > > http://www.talktalk.co.uk/talktalk/s...s?tariff=TALK1
    > >
    > >> Are there free nights and weekends for calls to mobile phones?

    > >
    > > Nope.

    >
    > Not thought about using call 18866 or call 1899?


    They aren't free.

    Or were you just suggesting I'd be better off with them than with TT? I
    wouldn't, because I don't make many peak rate calls. The vast majority of my
    offpeak calls are cheaper with TT than with 1899/18866 (I've still got the
    year's free evening/weekend calls deal).

    Besides I would never give a CCA to anyone (or have they started taking DD yet -
    ISTR there has been a FAQ on their website for ages saying they are looking to
    make DD available soon).

    --
    Andy





  7. #142
    {{{{{Welcome}}}}}
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Thus spaketh Andy Pandy:
    > "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Thus spaketh Andy Pandy:
    >>> Peak rates are generally between 10-22p per min. Off peak and
    >>> weekends are cheaper.
    >>>
    >>> I use TalkTalk for my landline, rates are here (they also show BT
    >>> rates):
    >>>
    >>> http://www.talktalk.co.uk/talktalk/s...s?tariff=TALK1
    >>>
    >>>> Are there free nights and weekends for calls to mobile phones?
    >>>
    >>> Nope.

    >>
    >> Not thought about using call 18866 or call 1899?

    >
    > They aren't free.
    >
    > Or were you just suggesting I'd be better off with them than with TT?
    > I wouldn't, because I don't make many peak rate calls. The vast
    > majority of my offpeak calls are cheaper with TT than with 1899/18866
    > (I've still got the year's free evening/weekend calls deal).
    >
    > Besides I would never give a CCA to anyone (or have they started
    > taking DD yet - ISTR there has been a FAQ on their website for ages
    > saying they are looking to make DD available soon).



    I too still have the years free evening and weekend landline calls with Talk
    Talk.

    I use1899 weekdays except to T-Mobile (+virtuals) and Vodafone in the evening
    when Talk Talk is cheaper.

    At the moment if I use 1899's 0808 access number instead of the 1899 access
    number weekend mobiles are 2p/min.





  8. #143
    Andy Pandy
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Thus spaketh Andy Pandy:
    > > Or were you just suggesting I'd be better off with them than with TT?
    > > I wouldn't, because I don't make many peak rate calls. The vast
    > > majority of my offpeak calls are cheaper with TT than with 1899/18866
    > > (I've still got the year's free evening/weekend calls deal).
    > >
    > > Besides I would never give a CCA to anyone (or have they started
    > > taking DD yet - ISTR there has been a FAQ on their website for ages
    > > saying they are looking to make DD available soon).

    >
    >
    > I too still have the years free evening and weekend landline calls with Talk
    > Talk.
    >
    > I use1899 weekdays except to T-Mobile (+virtuals) and Vodafone in the evening
    > when Talk Talk is cheaper.


    TT are also cheaper for Orange and O2 numbers in your calling circle.

    > At the moment if I use 1899's 0808 access number instead of the 1899 access
    > number weekend mobiles are 2p/min.


    Yes, weekend calls are cheaper on 1899. Although the vast majority of my calls
    to mobiles are very short anyway, so accounting for the 3p connection fee 1899
    charge, TT could actually be cheaper! Whatever, the difference in my bill would
    be trivial.

    --
    Andy





  9. #144
    Ivor Jones
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    GlintingHedgehog wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]lid
    > says...
    >> I have a contract anyway, the money isn't wasted for me. So why
    >> can't I choose to use my inclusive minutes for receiving calls..?

    >
    > Would it be possible for you to forward your landline number to your
    > mobile? (I don't know, I'm just wondering if it's something that's
    > possible and might work for your situation.)


    Yes I can and I do on occasion, but the point I am trying to make is I
    want the US system of incoming calls *coming from inclusive minutes* which
    seems an impossibility..!

    Ivor





  10. #145
    Ivor Jones
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Andy Pandy wrote:
    > "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]


    [snip]

    >> Do they charge the sender to send a text message from a computer
    >> to a phone?

    >
    > There used to be a web site that did this free but I think it
    > charges now.


    Orange still do 30 free SMS a month from their website but you have to be
    an Orange customer to access it.

    Ivor





  11. #146
    chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Andy Pandy <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:1gx4ox4.1rikwrha8y6goN%[email protected]
    > > > > I have 1500 free minutes (offpeak and weekend) a month
    > > > > to call the US and many other countries. Simply put, there are
    > > > > advantages and disadvantages in both systems- I prefer the plan I have!
    > > >
    > > > Either you have a plan I'd be very interested in, or you have an
    > > > interesting definition of the word "free". Are you sure you don't mean
    > > > "inclusive"?

    > >
    > > Oh, meant inclusive.
    > >
    > > I get confused sometimes, as most of the calls I make from my mobile, I
    > > don't pay the mobile company for. I see my contract as a 15 monthly
    > > commitment, which allows me similar (if not exactly the same) access to
    > > cheap calls as a landline would. The offpeak inclusive calls are an
    > > added bonus.

    >
    > Orange ED50?
    >
    > Shows your typical 30 per month contract up to be the rip-off it is.


    Indeed!

    --
    David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
    usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk



  12. #147

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    On Wed, 25 May 2005 00:31:30 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I want calls out of my minutes, is that so hard to understand


    Well, yes it is, in fact. Inclusive calls are a bit of a swindle, used
    by networks to keep revenues up from low users, Unless you are paying
    for 10% of your calls after using the inclusive ones, you are on the
    wrong tariff.

    Me? I'm happy with Virgin tariff. No inclusive calls at all.

    So why do you want to have to pay for incoming call minutes you may
    not end up using, and over which you have almost no control?

    If you are concerned about using your inclusive minutes to speak to
    callers, ring them back. How hard is that?

    As for 0800 numbers terminating on a mobile being expensive, you may
    have a point. Mine costs around 20p per minute in peak times, whereas
    the 0800 number to my office is only 2p per minute.

    --
    Visit the Hairydog Guide to Mobile Phones
    http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html - maintainers of
    http://www.mobileshop.org - the on-line mobile phone guide
    sponsored by http://www.mobileshop.com - the online store



  13. #148

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    On Wed, 25 May 2005 00:50:47 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I rarely use all my allocated minutes, which is why I'd like
    >the US system - using some of them for incoming calls would benefit me by
    >helping me to use them all up as well as the caller by reducing their
    >costs.


    No, it would simply put up the cost of the bundle. They are priced on
    the expectation that most inclusive minutes are not used, because so
    many people are too innumerate to realise that having all your calls
    in bundle is a bad idea.
    --
    Visit the Hairydog Guide to Mobile Phones
    http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html - maintainers of
    http://www.mobileshop.org - the on-line mobile phone guide
    sponsored by http://www.mobileshop.com - the online store



  14. #149

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    On Wed, 25 May 2005 15:54:04 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >What is the cost to the caller in the UK, to call a mobile phone in the UK?


    Look at www.call18866.co.uk for an example. Around 10p on weekdays, 3p
    at weekends, I think.
    --
    Visit the Hairydog Guide to Mobile Phones
    http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html - maintainers of
    http://www.mobileshop.org - the on-line mobile phone guide
    sponsored by http://www.mobileshop.com - the online store



  15. #150
    chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 25 May 2005 15:54:04 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >What is the cost to the caller in the UK, to call a mobile phone in the UK?

    >
    > Look at www.call18866.co.uk for an example. Around 10p on weekdays, 3p
    > at weekends, I think.


    I should have mentioned I've been making weekday calls to mobiles for 6p
    a minute since March, but that's on the easymobile promotion, which is
    due to finish at the end of June!

    --
    David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
    usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk



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