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  1. #16
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Mark wrote:
    > That's mad. I can't find anything on the 7-Eleven Speak Out site
    > about having to pay for incoming calls, it says incoming texts but
    > doesn't say incoming calls, can you point me to where to find out
    > about this?


    Not mad at all. The US school of thought is simple - *you* choose to go
    mobile, therefore *you* pay for the privilege. Why should a *caller* have
    to pay extra because *you* want to go out..?

    It's not normally a problem as most US calling plans have more inclusive
    minutes than you know what to do with, but for PAYG you have to watch out.
    Also note that calls are usually billed by the minute not the second, so a
    1 minute 5 second call costs you 2 minutes.

    BTW please note that top posting is frowned upon in this group, thanks.

    Ivor





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  2. #17
    Phil Thompson
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    On Sun, 22 May 2005 23:55:50 GMT, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:

    >You say that prepay telephones arent that common in the US, are they
    >available anywhere at all?


    yes they are available but watch out for things like no roaming to
    other networks, no roaming outside the home city or State etc. They
    aren't common like in the UK, by far the majority are on contract
    phones (paying for incoming calls is a factor).

    GSM coverage has improved a lot but isn't everywhere by a long chalk,
    so a review of maps is called for. Their are analogue and digital
    prepay options (Virgin Mobile using Sprint is digital but not GSM so
    texting won't work).

    http://www.virginmobileusa.com/
    http://www.t-mobile.com/

    Phil
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  3. #18
    jim.gm4dhj
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    > GSM coverage has improved a lot but isn't everywhere by a long chalk,
    > so a review of maps is called for. Their are analogue and digital
    > prepay options


    See ?....the merrycans are not stupid.........they don't throw out the baby
    with the bathwater.....our analogue TV is next...new technology squandering
    the worlds resources.....





  4. #19
    Andy Pandy
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Thanks...
    >
    > Hmm, it looks like most of these charge around 0.10c a minute to receive
    > calls, looks like it's pretty much standard across the board, apart from
    > Cricket which doesn't cover Maryland...
    >
    > Beginning to think it might actually be a lot cheaper to swap the odd
    > text and leave the onus on her to call me using a cheap calling card,
    > since that'll be far cheaper than the 10c a minute to receive an
    > incoming call, and then me do the same if she can get access to a landline..


    If she calls you on your UK mobile it'll almost certainly cost a hell of a lot
    more than 10c per minute. It costs over 21p per minute to call a "3" mobile from
    a UK (BT) landine - calling it from the US is likely to be more.

    That's the other side of the coin to the US system of mobile user paying for
    incoming calls. It costs a lot to terminate calls on UK mobiles so the cost of
    calling them is very high.

    --
    Andy





  5. #20
    J B
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    > Thanks for all your advice so far guys, everyone that replied to my
    > questions.


    My 2p worth

    Orange PAYG works in usa - you could text her cheaply and she could receive
    for nowt.
    If she could get access to a land line, you could call her cheaply with 1899
    from your landline, or quite cheaply from an Orange mobile with 18866.

    Don't know about t'other mobile networks sorry!


    --

    J B





  6. #21
    Mark
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Andy Pandy wrote:

    > If she calls you on your UK mobile it'll almost certainly cost a hell of a lot
    > more than 10c per minute. It costs over 21p per minute to call a "3" mobile from
    > a UK (BT) landine - calling it from the US is likely to be more.
    >
    > That's the other side of the coin to the US system of mobile user paying for
    > incoming calls. It costs a lot to terminate calls on UK mobiles so the cost of
    > calling them is very high.


    Even if she used one of the calling card /pre-dial companies that claim
    massively cheap rates to call the UK?

    Mark.



  7. #22
    S Viemeister
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    J B wrote:
    >
    > Orange PAYG works in usa - you could text her cheaply and she could receive
    > for nowt.
    >

    That's quite recent - I discovered it by accident. I had just installed my
    Orange SIM, to check some phone numbers (I was in the US at the time) and
    within seconds, a text message from a cousin in the UK arrived!

    If I had to rely on the Orange website, though, I'd still think PAYG Orange
    was unavailable in the US.



  8. #23
    Stuart Friedman
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Yup, the cheapest rate I've got to a UK mobile is $0.15 a minute.

    Stu

    "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Andy Pandy wrote:
    >
    >> If she calls you on your UK mobile it'll almost certainly cost a hell of
    >> a lot
    >> more than 10c per minute. It costs over 21p per minute to call a "3"
    >> mobile from
    >> a UK (BT) landine - calling it from the US is likely to be more.
    >>
    >> That's the other side of the coin to the US system of mobile user paying
    >> for
    >> incoming calls. It costs a lot to terminate calls on UK mobiles so the
    >> cost of
    >> calling them is very high.

    >
    > Even if she used one of the calling card /pre-dial companies that claim
    > massively cheap rates to call the UK?
    >
    > Mark.






  9. #24
    Andy Pandy
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > > If she calls you on your UK mobile it'll almost certainly cost a hell of a

    lot
    > > more than 10c per minute. It costs over 21p per minute to call a "3" mobile

    from
    > > a UK (BT) landine - calling it from the US is likely to be more.
    > >
    > > That's the other side of the coin to the US system of mobile user paying for
    > > incoming calls. It costs a lot to terminate calls on UK mobiles so the cost

    of
    > > calling them is very high.

    >
    > Even if she used one of the calling card /pre-dial companies that claim
    > massively cheap rates to call the UK?


    Yes. They will have much higher rates for calling UK mobiles than for calling UK
    landlines. They would lose money on calls to mobiles otherwise, since your UK
    mobile operator charges them high termination fees.

    It's the same calling from the UK to countries where it is free to receive
    mobile calls (eg France). The cost of calling French mobiles is a hell of a lot
    more than the cost of calling French landlines (on 1899 it is 15 times the
    cost!). Calling US mobiles is the same price as calling US landlines because of
    the US system where mobile users pay to receive.

    All mobile operators have high termination fees - the difference between the US
    and UK system is who pays it. In the UK the caller always pays, in the US the
    mobile user pays.

    Forget mobiles - use landlines wherever possible and you and your girlfriend can
    gas very cheaply, or even free.

    0.5p per min on 1899: http://www.call1899.co.uk/index2.php

    or free using a VOIP service like Skype, if you both have broadband access:
    http://www.skype.com

    --
    Andy





  10. #25
    etillet
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Mark wrote:
    > Stuart Friedman wrote:
    >
    >> Does your girl friend have a triband? One of the better prepaid
    >> offerings comes from 711.com. Their speakout wireless phones are
    >> effectively free and the per minute rate is $US0.20 a minute. It works
    >> nationwide in the US, and has a one year expiry. Remember that in the
    >> US incoming calls come out of your bucket of minutes.

    >
    >
    > Sorry by this do you mean that if someone from abroad calls any native
    > US mobile phone, even if that phone is in the US, they have to pay to
    > /receive/ the call? Or does that go for all calls?


    If someone anywhere (even in the USA standing right next to you using a
    normal house phone in a US house) calls a US cellphone, then the
    recipient pays for those minutes. US mobiles are on normal dialling
    codes so cost no more to call than any other local number. The extra
    cost is picked up by the recipient.



  11. #26
    {{{{{Welcome}}}}}
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
    > Mark wrote:
    >> That's mad. I can't find anything on the 7-Eleven Speak Out site
    >> about having to pay for incoming calls, it says incoming texts but
    >> doesn't say incoming calls, can you point me to where to find out
    >> about this?

    >
    > Not mad at all. The US school of thought is simple - *you* choose to
    > go mobile, therefore *you* pay for the privilege. Why should a
    > *caller* have to pay extra because *you* want to go out..?
    >
    > It's not normally a problem as most US calling plans have more
    > inclusive minutes than you know what to do with, but for PAYG you
    > have to watch out. Also note that calls are usually billed by the
    > minute not the second, so a 1 minute 5 second call costs you 2
    > minutes.
    > BTW please note that top posting is frowned upon in this group,
    > thanks.
    > Ivor


    The caller has the choice whether to pay the cost of calling a mobile or not.

    Thankfully we never went down the crazy route of paying for incoming calls.





  12. #27
    Andy Pandy
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > The caller has the choice whether to pay the cost of calling a mobile or not.


    Yes, but the mobile networks use termination charges to subsidise the prices
    they charge their users. On a "caller pays" system, it should cost the same to
    call a mobile from a landline as to call a landline from a mobile - but it is
    generally much cheaper to call a landline from a mobile.

    > Thankfully we never went down the crazy route of paying for incoming calls.


    No? Ever used your phone abroad?

    --
    Andy





  13. #28
    wkearney99
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    > In the USA the owner of the mobile you are calling has to pay to receive
    your
    > call


    They pay for minutes used. For in-bound it's just minutes consumed. For
    outbound it's minutes plus any long-distance that might be involved. Calls
    to/from phones on the same provider are often free (this varies from one
    carrier to another). Free as in not consuming any minutes.




  14. #29
    {{{{{Welcome}}}}}
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Thus spaketh Andy Pandy:
    > "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> The caller has the choice whether to pay the cost of calling a
    >> mobile or not.

    >
    > Yes, but the mobile networks use termination charges to subsidise the
    > prices they charge their users. On a "caller pays" system, it should
    > cost the same to call a mobile from a landline as to call a landline
    > from a mobile - but it is generally much cheaper to call a landline
    > from a mobile.
    >
    >> Thankfully we never went down the crazy route of paying for incoming
    >> calls.

    >
    > No? Ever used your phone abroad?


    Yes, many many times, but that is roaming, and things are changing in that
    area too.





  15. #30
    Jet Morgan
    Guest

    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    > Not mad at all. The US school of thought is simple - *you* choose to go
    > mobile, therefore *you* pay for the privilege. Why should a *caller* have
    > to pay extra because *you* want to go out..?


    Does that mean that if *I* choose not to have a phone at all, I
    have to pay for a taxi for the caller to come and visit me ? Why
    should a caller pay to travel to my house, just because *I* choose
    not to have a phone ?

    Richard [in PE12]





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