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  1. #76
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Thus spaketh Steven M. Scharf:
    > "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    >> For example you could be out shopping and your child has become very
    >> ill or injured whilst at school, I would want to know as soon as
    >> possible if any of my children where having to be rushed to hospital.

    >
    > For emergency use, forcing the caller to pay to call a mobile phone
    > is a very bad idea. Already we are seeing that some toll free numbers
    > in the U.S. won't accept calls from pay phones, because they get
    > charged an extra fee by the pay phone operator. As it is now,
    > businesses, schools, etc., will usually let someone use the phone to
    > make an emergency call, but since these calls are often to mobile
    > phones, this generosity would stop if the caller had to pay for the
    > call if it were to a mobile.
    >
    > The pay as you go mobile phones have caller-ID. If you don't want to
    > pay for an incoming call, you just ignore it. Or you ante up the 10
    > to risk answering a call from an unknown or blocked caller-ID number.
    >
    > Free incoming calls would be great, but not if the caller has to pay.
    > Some carriers used to offer FIMF (first incoming minute free) but
    > AFAIK, none of the major U.S. carriers still have this (some smaller
    > carriers still include it).
    >
    > I hope the U.S. never takes the backward step of making the caller
    > pay to call a mobile phone. It's a crazy idea. I can't believe that
    > people in Europe put up with having to pay to call someone on their
    > mobile phone.


    And I can't see why anyone would want to favour the USA system.





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  2. #77
    Steven M. Scharf
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Tue, 24 May 2005 20:42:17 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >I hope the U.S. never takes the backward step of making the caller pay to
    > >call a mobile phone. It's a crazy idea. I can't believe that people in
    > >Europe put up with having to pay to call someone on their mobile phone.

    >
    > I just love people who think that their way of doing things is always
    > the best. Europeans like it that way. Don't go to Europe and you
    > won't have to deal with it. Likewise if Europeans don't like the way
    > we do things here too bad. Get used to it.


    I don't claim that the U.S. system is necessarily the best, but no one has
    put forth any coherent argument as to why a caller should have to pay extra
    to call a mobile phone.

    With the U.S. system, the person who wants the convenience of a mobile phone
    is responsible for the charges. The owner of the mobile phone can choose
    whether or not to answer calls, and is hence in complete control.over their
    charges. Callers are not reluctant to call a cell phone because of extra
    charges that they might incur.





  3. #78
    Phil Thompson
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    On Tue, 24 May 2005 22:44:18 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >This is true, but at least the prepaid wireless is cheap in the U.S., if you
    >stay away from GSM. You'd think that the weak dollar would help U.S.
    >tourism, but this is not the case.


    I'm afraid the fingerprinting, Nazi immigration questionnaires, shoe
    carnival at airport security, taking laptops out of bags and all that
    **** is a sufficient deterent to send us elsewhere. Dubai was a
    refreshing change.

    Phil
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    Come on down !



  4. #79
    Phil Thompson
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    On Tue, 24 May 2005 22:50:58 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I don't claim that the U.S. system is necessarily the best, but no one has
    >put forth any coherent argument as to why a caller should have to pay extra
    >to call a mobile phone.


    to have the convenience of being able to call the called party
    irrespective of their location ?

    It is often more of a benefit to the caller to find the called person,
    than it is for the called person to be found IME.
    Mobile phone = electronic tag, but at least you can turn it off.

    Phil

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    Good news seldom travels by helicopter or by mobile phone.



  5. #80
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Tue, 24 May 2005 20:33:05 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>> You can also get 0800 or 0845 or 0870 numbers that terminate at a
    >>> mobile.

    >>
    >>Which isn't the point under discussion.

    >
    > Yes it is. It is a way that user of the mobile phone can pay for the
    > mobile leg of the call, so that callers don't have to pay a premium to
    > call a mobile.


    Ok, *my* point is I want to be able to pay for incoming calls out of my
    inclusive minutes, as per the US system. Why can't I have this as an
    option..? I fully realise not everybody wants it, but it should be
    available for those of us that do.

    Ivor





  6. #81
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> On Tue, 24 May 2005 20:33:05 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>> You can also get 0800 or 0845 or 0870 numbers that terminate at a
    >>>> mobile.
    >>>
    >>>Which isn't the point under discussion.

    >>
    >> Yes it is. It is a way that user of the mobile phone can pay for the
    >> mobile leg of the call, so that callers don't have to pay a premium to
    >> call a mobile.

    >
    > Ok, *my* point is I want to be able to pay for incoming calls out of my
    > inclusive minutes, as per the US system. Why can't I have this as an
    > option..? I fully realise not everybody wants it, but it should be
    > available for those of us that do.
    >
    > Ivor


    Sorry to reply to my own post but I forgot to mention - an 0845 or 0870
    number is almost as bad as mobile rate..! 0800 is ok but there aren't many
    0800 providers that will divert to a mobile and those that do aren't
    cheap. I want calls out of my minutes, is that so hard to understand..?!

    Ivor





  7. #82
    Andy Pandy
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > >> You can also get 0800 or 0845 or 0870 numbers that terminate at a
    > >> mobile.

    > >
    > >Which isn't the point under discussion.

    >
    > Yes it is. It is a way that user of the mobile phone can pay for the
    > mobile leg of the call, so that callers don't have to pay a premium to
    > call a mobile.


    The caller *is* charged a premium for calling 0845 and 0870 numbers on nearly
    all landline tariffs.

    As for 0800 numbers terminating on a mobile - how much does that cost? Massively
    more than the typical 10c/min US mobile users pay for incoming calls, I'd wager.

    So yes, it is possible, but the costs are prohibitive.

    --
    Andy





  8. #83
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    [snip]

    > I don't claim that the U.S. system is necessarily the best, but no one
    > has
    > put forth any coherent argument as to why a caller should have to pay
    > extra
    > to call a mobile phone.
    >
    > With the U.S. system, the person who wants the convenience of a mobile
    > phone
    > is responsible for the charges. The owner of the mobile phone can choose
    > whether or not to answer calls, and is hence in complete control.over
    > their
    > charges. Callers are not reluctant to call a cell phone because of extra
    > charges that they might incur.


    I couldn't agree more.

    Ivor (in the UK)





  9. #84
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Thus spaketh Steven M. Scharf:


    [snip]

    >> I hope the U.S. never takes the backward step of making the caller
    >> pay to call a mobile phone. It's a crazy idea. I can't believe that
    >> people in Europe put up with having to pay to call someone on their
    >> mobile phone.

    >
    > And I can't see why anyone would want to favour the USA system.


    I've explained it to you over and over until I'm blue in the face, you're
    just not getting it..! Or maybe you don't want to get it.

    Ivor





  10. #85
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "Andy Pandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    [snip]

    > The caller *is* charged a premium for calling 0845 and 0870 numbers on
    > nearly
    > all landline tariffs.
    >
    > As for 0800 numbers terminating on a mobile - how much does that cost?
    > Massively
    > more than the typical 10c/min US mobile users pay for incoming calls,
    > I'd wager.


    Where do you get 10c/min..? My friends in the US get their calls taken
    from their (large) bucket of inclusive minutes, they never pay over the
    agreed line rental irrespective of the number of incoming or outgoing
    calls they receive/make.

    Ivor





  11. #86
    Andy Pandy
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > The caller *is* charged a premium for calling 0845 and 0870 numbers on
    > > nearly
    > > all landline tariffs.
    > >
    > > As for 0800 numbers terminating on a mobile - how much does that cost?
    > > Massively
    > > more than the typical 10c/min US mobile users pay for incoming calls,
    > > I'd wager.

    >
    > Where do you get 10c/min..? My friends in the US get their calls taken
    > from their (large) bucket of inclusive minutes, they never pay over the
    > agreed line rental irrespective of the number of incoming or outgoing
    > calls they receive/make.


    Mentioned in this thread, I guess for a PAYG phone.

    To work out the real cost for a contract phone with inclusive minutes, divide
    the line rental by the number of minutes actually *used* per month (not the
    number of minutes included).

    --
    Andy





  12. #87
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "Andy Pandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    [snip]

    >> Where do you get 10c/min..? My friends in the US get their calls taken
    >> from their (large) bucket of inclusive minutes, they never pay over the
    >> agreed line rental irrespective of the number of incoming or outgoing
    >> calls they receive/make.

    >
    > Mentioned in this thread, I guess for a PAYG phone.
    >
    > To work out the real cost for a contract phone with inclusive minutes,
    > divide
    > the line rental by the number of minutes actually *used* per month (not
    > the
    > number of minutes included).


    Fair enough. I rarely use all my allocated minutes, which is why I'd like
    the US system - using some of them for incoming calls would benefit me by
    helping me to use them all up as well as the caller by reducing their
    costs.

    Ivor





  13. #88
    Andy Pandy
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?


    "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Thus spaketh Andy Pandy:
    > >>>> Thankfully we never went down the crazy route of paying for
    > >>>> incoming calls.
    > >>>
    > >>> No? Ever used your phone abroad?
    > >>
    > >> Yes, many many times, but that is roaming, and things are changing
    > >> in that area too.

    > >
    > > So presumably you've paid for incoming calls. Are you crazy?

    >
    > But that is roaming, not just the normal receive the phone call.


    It's paying to receive calls, which you think is crazy.

    > I don't like the high charges on roaming, but can see the reasoning for it,
    > again even if I feel they should be a lot lower.


    There is no reason for roaming charges at all (not to "first world" countries
    anyway). International calls are dirt cheap these days, companies like
    Telediscount etc can afford to send a call to (eg) Germany for the termination
    fee they get on a 1p/min 0844 number.

    If I call a UK Vodafone number when the user is roaming in Germany, I'm already
    paying a large termination fee to Vodafone. It should cost them a trivial amount
    to send the call to Vodafone Germany who will terminate the call which I've
    already paid for.

    > There is no reason whatsoever for being charged for incoming calls when in
    > your own country, that is just plainly a stupid idea.


    So anyone with an 0800 number is stupid then?

    --
    Andy





  14. #89
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
    > "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Thus spaketh Steven M. Scharf:

    >
    > [snip]
    >
    >>> I hope the U.S. never takes the backward step of making the caller
    >>> pay to call a mobile phone. It's a crazy idea. I can't believe that
    >>> people in Europe put up with having to pay to call someone on their
    >>> mobile phone.

    >>
    >> And I can't see why anyone would want to favour the USA system.

    >
    > I've explained it to you over and over until I'm blue in the face,
    > you're just not getting it..! Or maybe you don't want to get it.
    >
    > Ivor


    I fully understand, but to me it is a crazy idea.

    I'm not going to change how you feel, and you aren't going to change how I
    feel.

    It's not a system I would like to see compulsory, but if you did have a choice
    of either having a 07 number and not have to pay to receive calls or have an
    01 or 02 number and pay for incoming calls then that would be OK. I just
    don't want the USA system to be compulsory.

    What I am for is choice and to have a debate about the in and outs of a
    system, and to show both systems have good and bad points. So I would never
    deny you your right to be able to choose a USA system, but not for it to
    replace the European system.





  15. #90
    Stuart Friedman
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    Re: Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

    I'm paying US$90 a month for 2,500 prime time minutes. That includes
    incoming and outgoing calls. Calls made before 7am or after 7pm are free,
    as are calls to other subscribers on the ATT/Cingular network.

    In comparing the offerings, consider the following high end plan:
    http://onlinestorez.cingular.com/cel...kuid=csku00024

    For $99 a month, you receive 2000 minutes, free nights, weekends,and mobile
    to mobile calls. Not counting, the nights and weekends, you are paying
    about just over three cents a minute. If you factor in the free calls, your
    per minute cost drops to about two cents a minute for the average user. Not
    bad for $54 quid.

    Stu
    ..
    "Andy Pandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> > The caller *is* charged a premium for calling 0845 and 0870 numbers on
    >> > nearly
    >> > all landline tariffs.
    >> >
    >> > As for 0800 numbers terminating on a mobile - how much does that cost?
    >> > Massively
    >> > more than the typical 10c/min US mobile users pay for incoming calls,
    >> > I'd wager.

    >>
    >> Where do you get 10c/min..? My friends in the US get their calls taken
    >> from their (large) bucket of inclusive minutes, they never pay over the
    >> agreed line rental irrespective of the number of incoming or outgoing
    >> calls they receive/make.

    >
    > Mentioned in this thread, I guess for a PAYG phone.
    >
    > To work out the real cost for a contract phone with inclusive minutes,
    > divide
    > the line rental by the number of minutes actually *used* per month (not
    > the
    > number of minutes included).
    >
    > --
    > Andy
    >
    >






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