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  1. #1
    Larry
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    Just found this info about Netgear's new Skype DIRECT phone....
    Skype internal, wifi transceiver, no computer necessary....

    http://tinyurl.com/9p2uy

    http://tinyurl.com/c83cx

    Kids cellphone bills driving you to poorhouse?
    This may be your answer...
    Skype Out after Jan 1, 2007 is 7 hours for $10...period.
    2.1 US cents per minute (0.017 Euro) to most developed countries.
    Free US/Canada until 2007 No monthly charges, taxes, fees, and....
    No funny business.

    Skype In so phones can call in is $38/YEAR! Comes with call forwarding,
    free voicemail, great features. Offline or out of range of a wifi? Call
    forward to your cellphone. Works great. $38/YEAR....no other charges, no
    cellphone funny business. Forwarded calls from my Skype In number to the
    Alltel V60i work great! Even Skype-to-Skype, computer to computer calls,
    get forwarded!

    Skype-to-Skype calls, from this new phone hooked to any wifi, are FREE...
    Anywhere on the planet! The kids can talk forever!

    Unlimited Nights and Weekends my ass.....(c;
    Nice day in Guam. Just got off Skype with a Navy friend.....free.




    See More: Your next phone a Netgear?




  2. #2
    Ange1o DePa1ma
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Just found this info about Netgear's new Skype DIRECT phone....
    > Skype internal, wifi transceiver, no computer necessary....
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/9p2uy
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/c83cx
    >
    > Kids cellphone bills driving you to poorhouse?
    > This may be your answer...
    > Skype Out after Jan 1, 2007 is 7 hours for $10...period.
    > 2.1 US cents per minute (0.017 Euro) to most developed countries.
    > Free US/Canada until 2007 No monthly charges, taxes, fees, and....
    > No funny business.
    >
    > Skype In so phones can call in is $38/YEAR! Comes with call forwarding,
    > free voicemail, great features. Offline or out of range of a wifi? Call
    > forward to your cellphone. Works great. $38/YEAR....no other charges, no
    > cellphone funny business. Forwarded calls from my Skype In number to the
    > Alltel V60i work great! Even Skype-to-Skype, computer to computer calls,
    > get forwarded!
    >
    > Skype-to-Skype calls, from this new phone hooked to any wifi, are FREE...
    > Anywhere on the planet! The kids can talk forever!
    >
    > Unlimited Nights and Weekends my ass.....(c;
    > Nice day in Guam. Just got off Skype with a Navy friend.....free.


    Only problem is you need an internet connection. Great at home or at a
    hotspot, but not so hot otherwise.





  3. #3
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    "Ange1o DePa1ma" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Only problem is you need an internet connection. Great at home or at a
    > hotspot, but not so hot otherwise.
    >
    >


    I have Skype In forwarding to my cellphone any Skype calls, including
    Skype-to-Skype across the planet for those periods in between wifi spots.

    But, excluding the travel where the cellphone is (still) king, the Skype
    Phone beats them all at home, work, a hotel, an airport just before a
    flight, many cities that have free wifi now, many restaurants, even
    McDonald's!

    A kid at university has wifi for Skype about anywhere on the campus, too,
    saving Dad thousands in cellphone bills.....Precharged like a prepaid
    cellphone on outgoing calls to telephones, there are no surprises like when
    those $800 cellphone bills come rolling in. After the free 2006 promo, 7
    hours on Skype Out to a US/Canadian/European/Japanese and many other
    landline phones is $10, flat. No monthly fees, no tax, no funny business.
    If the kid calls his computer-savvy friends on Skype-to-Skype, dad's cost
    is ZERO!

    There's LOTS of applications Skype and the other VoIP carriers are going to
    bust wide open. It will be interesting to see if the landline and
    cellphone monopolies can put a stop to it. Skype is in Luxembourg for a
    reason...(c;



  4. #4
    Ange1o DePa1ma
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Ange1o DePa1ma" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    >> Only problem is you need an internet connection. Great at home or at a
    >> hotspot, but not so hot otherwise. >>
    >>

    >
    > I have Skype In forwarding to my cellphone any Skype calls, including
    > Skype-to-Skype across the planet for those periods in between wifi spots.


    Larry, this sounds like a fun science experiment, but it's totally
    impractical. Plus most Americans don't have a whole lot of friends overseas,
    or on Skype.

    > But, excluding the travel where the cellphone is (still) king, the Skype
    > Phone beats them all at home, work, a hotel, an airport just before a
    > flight, many cities that have free wifi now, many restaurants, even
    > McDonald's!


    Not all these places have hotspots. You have to pay to use McDonald's. $3
    for 2 hours. That makes Verizon sound cheap.

    > A kid at university has wifi for Skype about anywhere on the campus, too,
    > saving Dad thousands in cellphone bills.....Precharged like a prepaid
    > cellphone on outgoing calls to telephones, there are no surprises like
    > when
    > those $800 cellphone bills come rolling in. After the free 2006 promo, 7
    > hours on Skype Out to a US/Canadian/European/Japanese and many other
    > landline phones is $10, flat. No monthly fees, no tax, no funny business.
    > If the kid calls his computer-savvy friends on Skype-to-Skype, dad's cost
    > is ZERO!


    Again, I don't know that all universities are completely covered with
    wireless access. Besides, kids are in college to learn, not gab.

    What is this infatuation with running one's mouth 24 hours a day?? Yikes.

    > There's LOTS of applications Skype and the other VoIP carriers are going
    > to
    > bust wide open. It will be interesting to see if the landline and
    > cellphone monopolies can put a stop to it. Skype is in Luxembourg for a
    > reason...(c;


    Here I agree with you. Eventually many of the services that wireless phone
    companies block or hamstring will be available for the price of "minutes."





  5. #5
    Frankster
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    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    > Skype is in Luxembourg for a reason...(c;

    Yes! I know this (overseas) technique is used a lot.

    -Frank





  6. #6
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    "Ange1o DePa1ma" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Here I agree with you. Eventually many of the services that wireless
    > phone companies block or hamstring will be available for the price of
    > "minutes."
    >
    >


    I thought Skype was a toy, too, until I got my Swiss friend Werner on it
    and we spread it to his friends back in Thun, CH. One of them called me on
    Skype, today, while I was out working. Skype forwarded to my cellphone
    from his internet connection. The call cost only minutes on the cellphone,
    of course.

    I didn't know McD wanted money to use their VoIP. Cancel that from my
    post...(c; There are just TOO many wide open wifis to wardrive to actually
    pay for it. I ate lunch at a marina deli, today, in the nice weather. The
    marina had wifi and so did a bunch of nearby offices NetStumbler found
    open....(c;

    But, you know, arming a teen with a Skype Phone, especially the new direct-
    to-wifi Skype phone from Netgear could sure reduce a lot of cellphone bills
    across the planet....not a toy or "science project" at all!




  7. #7
    Quick
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    Larry wrote:
    > The marina had wifi and so did a bunch of nearby offices
    > NetStumbler found open....(c;


    It doesn't surprise me that you would see nothing wrong
    with using any open wifi.

    -Quick





  8. #8
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    Larry wrote:

    > I thought Skype was a toy, too, until I got my Swiss friend Werner on it
    > and we spread it to his friends back in Thun, CH. One of them called me on
    > Skype, today, while I was out working. Skype forwarded to my cellphone
    > from his internet connection. The call cost only minutes on the cellphone,
    > of course.


    Skype isn't a toy. VoIP in general is quite useful. Have you ever checked out
    http://www.asteriskpbx.com ? (I'm probably preaching to the choir here.)

    > I didn't know McD wanted money to use their VoIP. Cancel that from my
    > post...(c; There are just TOO many wide open wifis to wardrive to actually
    > pay for it. I ate lunch at a marina deli, today, in the nice weather. The
    > marina had wifi and so did a bunch of nearby offices NetStumbler found
    > open....(c;


    McDonalds uses WayPort. Starbucks uses T-Mobile Hotspot. Barnes & Noble uses SBC.

    What is cool is that the bigger providers offer roaming now, so if you need
    access somewhere where your hotspot company doesn't have it, you may still be
    able to get it anyhow, without having to enter a credit card.

    --
    Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
    Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED

    It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.



  9. #9
    Garner Miller
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

    > What is cool is that the bigger providers offer roaming now, so if you need
    > access somewhere where your hotspot company doesn't have it, you may still be
    > able to get it anyhow, without having to enter a credit card.


    I spend a lot of time in airports, so I'm giving Boingo a try for a
    couple of months. $22 a month, and so far, it's worked in every airport
    I've been in, save Cincinnati, which is a T-Mobile hotspot.



  10. #10
    Ange1o DePa1ma
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Ange1o DePa1ma" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    >> Here I agree with you. Eventually many of the services that wireless
    >> phone companies block or hamstring will be available for the price of
    >> "minutes."
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I thought Skype was a toy, too, until I got my Swiss friend Werner on it
    > and we spread it to his friends back in Thun, CH. One of them called me
    > on
    > Skype, today, while I was out working. Skype forwarded to my cellphone
    > from his internet connection. The call cost only minutes on the
    > cellphone,
    > of course.


    Skype is not a toy. I take a biweekly chess lesson from an Israeli player,
    and we use skype to chat (while playing on an internet chess server). Skype
    is wonderful, but it suffers from relative lack of coverage and the need to
    be at a computer or within range of a wireless network. Yeah, you can talk
    to someone in China for free if they're members of Skype, but you can't talk
    to your next door neighbor unless you're both hooked up.

    > I didn't know McD wanted money to use their VoIP. Cancel that from my
    > post...(c; There are just TOO many wide open wifis to wardrive to
    > actually
    > pay for it. I ate lunch at a marina deli, today, in the nice weather.
    > The
    > marina had wifi and so did a bunch of nearby offices NetStumbler found
    > open....(c;
    >
    > But, you know, arming a teen with a Skype Phone, especially the new
    > direct-
    > to-wifi Skype phone from Netgear could sure reduce a lot of cellphone
    > bills
    > across the planet....not a toy or "science project" at all!


    I have 2 teenagers. One of them talks too goddamned much on her cell phone.
    The "reduce cellphone bill" argument doesn't cut it with me. She has a
    cellphone *exclusively* for my convenience, so I don't waste time waiting
    for her when picking her up from her various activities. Of course she can
    use it for fun, too. But if she goes over her minutes she gets a warning. If
    she goes over again I run her phone over with my Camry.

    Angelo





  11. #11
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    Garner Miller wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> What is cool is that the bigger providers offer roaming now, so if you need
    >> access somewhere where your hotspot company doesn't have it, you may still be
    >> able to get it anyhow, without having to enter a credit card.

    >
    > I spend a lot of time in airports, so I'm giving Boingo a try for a
    > couple of months. $22 a month, and so far, it's worked in every airport
    > I've been in, save Cincinnati, which is a T-Mobile hotspot.


    As a T-Mobile cellular customer I get their Hotspot service -- well, I *can*
    get it -- for $20/month instead of $30/month. I can roam on certain other
    networks. One of them was the WiFi network at Minneapolis-St. Paul
    International Airport, where I was stuck waiting for a plane for a few horus
    last month. Roaming fees are generally either per day or per minute depending
    on the agreement between your WiFiSP and the roaming provider. The cool thing
    is that I can get those fees billed on my T-Mo bill instead of having to pay
    with a credit card (although if I go somewhere on a regular basis and the
    WiFiSP is someone other than T-Mo, it might make sense to give them money on
    a regular basis too).

    --
    Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
    Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED

    It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.



  12. #12
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    "Ange1o DePa1ma" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Skype is not a toy. I take a biweekly chess lesson from an Israeli
    > player, and we use skype to chat (while playing on an internet chess
    > server). Skype is wonderful, but it suffers from relative lack of
    > coverage and the need to be at a computer or within range of a
    > wireless network. Yeah, you can talk to someone in China for free if
    > they're members of Skype, but you can't talk to your next door
    > neighbor unless you're both hooked up.
    >

    You need to get Skype In, then your Israeli buddy can call your CELL for
    free, or any other Skyper on the planet for that matter. You don't need
    to be tied to the computer, which is the point of the new Netgear Skpye
    Phone coming out. It doesn't need your computer at all. Forward Skype
    In to your cell and the forwarding is automatic. You show up on your
    contact list as "forwarding", a yellow instead of green icon, so they
    know you're not on the computer and can make the decision to call or not.
    Works great, here.
    >
    > I have 2 teenagers. One of them talks too goddamned much on her cell
    > phone. The "reduce cellphone bill" argument doesn't cut it with me.
    > She has a cellphone *exclusively* for my convenience, so I don't waste
    > time waiting for her when picking her up from her various activities.
    > Of course she can use it for fun, too. But if she goes over her
    > minutes she gets a warning. If she goes over again I run her phone
    > over with my Camry.
    >

    Hm...Alltel has a kiddie phone for her. It has 4 buttons on the front of
    it YOU program for up to 4 numbers, ONLY. She can call any of the 4
    numbers, but not the problem phone number that's making the trouble. Put
    911 into one of them, your cell and home numbers....reducing the
    cellphone calling to near zero. Let her call her friend on Skype-to-
    Skype. They all have computers, right?...(c;




  13. #13
    DevilsPGD
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    In message <[email protected]> "Ange1o DePa1ma"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Skype is not a toy. I take a biweekly chess lesson from an Israeli player,
    >and we use skype to chat (while playing on an internet chess server). Skype
    >is wonderful, but it suffers from relative lack of coverage and the need to
    >be at a computer or within range of a wireless network. Yeah, you can talk
    >to someone in China for free if they're members of Skype, but you can't talk
    >to your next door neighbor unless you're both hooked up.


    Skype-in and skype-out reduce the need for "both hooked up" -- This is
    what changed Skype from a toy to being a real player in the VoIP market.

    --
    Is there another word for synonym?



  14. #14
    Ange1o DePa1ma
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?

    "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Ange1o DePa1ma" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    >> Skype is not a toy. I take a biweekly chess lesson from an Israeli
    >> player, and we use skype to chat (while playing on an internet chess
    >> server). Skype is wonderful, but it suffers from relative lack of
    >> coverage and the need to be at a computer or within range of a
    >> wireless network. Yeah, you can talk to someone in China for free if
    >> they're members of Skype, but you can't talk to your next door
    >> neighbor unless you're both hooked up.
    >>

    > You need to get Skype In, then your Israeli buddy can call your CELL for
    > free, or any other Skyper on the planet for that matter. You don't need
    > to be tied to the computer, which is the point of the new Netgear Skpye
    > Phone coming out. It doesn't need your computer at all. Forward Skype
    > In to your cell and the forwarding is automatic. You show up on your
    > contact list as "forwarding", a yellow instead of green icon, so they
    > know you're not on the computer and can make the decision to call or not.
    > Works great, here.


    Wow! Can you provide a link that explains this? The phone, the plan, etc.
    I'm definitely interested, although I probably wouldn't use it. I already
    have Skype in and Skype out, just for emergencies when my Lingo service is
    out. Plus my VOIP already gives me the countries I want for free. I really
    don't make or receive too many non-business overseas calls. Plus I'd prefer
    *not* to use my cell phone if at all possible -- I've lost enough brain
    cells already.

    >>
    >> I have 2 teenagers. One of them talks too goddamned much on her cell
    >> phone. The "reduce cellphone bill" argument doesn't cut it with me.
    >> She has a cellphone *exclusively* for my convenience, so I don't waste
    >> time waiting for her when picking her up from her various activities.
    >> Of course she can use it for fun, too. But if she goes over her
    >> minutes she gets a warning. If she goes over again I run her phone
    >> over with my Camry.
    >>

    > Hm...Alltel has a kiddie phone for her. It has 4 buttons on the front of
    > it YOU program for up to 4 numbers, ONLY. She can call any of the 4
    > numbers, but not the problem phone number that's making the trouble. Put
    > 911 into one of them, your cell and home numbers....reducing the
    > cellphone calling to near zero. Let her call her friend on Skype-to-
    > Skype. They all have computers, right?...(c;


    Hey, I'm not Atilla the Hun I don't mind if she has fun with the phone,
    she just can't go over about 400 minutes or so because we only have a 700
    minute family plan. So far she understands that.





  15. #15
    Ange1o DePa1ma
    Guest

    Re: Your next phone a Netgear?


    "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Ange1o DePa1ma" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    >> Skype is not a toy. I take a biweekly chess lesson from an Israeli
    >> player, and we use skype to chat (while playing on an internet chess
    >> server). Skype is wonderful, but it suffers from relative lack of
    >> coverage and the need to be at a computer or within range of a
    >> wireless network. Yeah, you can talk to someone in China for free if
    >> they're members of Skype, but you can't talk to your next door
    >> neighbor unless you're both hooked up.
    >>

    > You need to get Skype In, then your Israeli buddy can call your CELL for
    > free, or any other Skyper on the planet for that matter. You don't need
    > to be tied to the computer, which is the point of the new Netgear Skpye
    > Phone coming out. It doesn't need your computer at all. Forward Skype
    > In to your cell and the forwarding is automatic. You show up on your
    > contact list as "forwarding", a yellow instead of green icon, so they
    > know you're not on the computer and can make the decision to call or not.
    > Works great, here.
    >>
    >> I have 2 teenagers. One of them talks too goddamned much on her cell
    >> phone. The "reduce cellphone bill" argument doesn't cut it with me.
    >> She has a cellphone *exclusively* for my convenience, so I don't waste
    >> time waiting for her when picking her up from her various activities.
    >> Of course she can use it for fun, too. But if she goes over her
    >> minutes she gets a warning. If she goes over again I run her phone
    >> over with my Camry.
    >>

    > Hm...Alltel has a kiddie phone for her. It has 4 buttons on the front of
    > it YOU program for up to 4 numbers, ONLY. She can call any of the 4
    > numbers, but not the problem phone number that's making the trouble. Put
    > 911 into one of them, your cell and home numbers....reducing the
    > cellphone calling to near zero. Let her call her friend on Skype-to-
    > Skype. They all have computers, right?...(c;


    Hold on just a second...are you telling me I can use this netgear phone to
    forward calls from Skype, using Skype In, for *free* from Skype users and
    for nominal $$ from non-Skypers? Can I use it to forward calls from my VOIP
    as well? This is starting to get interesting. Can I buy 4 netgear phones,
    get 4 Skype accounts, and replace my Verizon plan entirely???? This is
    starting to get interesting.





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