Possible windfall for early buyers of the iPhone

At 08 Sep 2007 00:09:08 +0000 B. Peg wrote:

> Just wished it were cheaper than $1000 but that will change as did
the
> iPhone (I hope!).
>
> Glad I didn't jump on the iPhone bandwagon - and now certainly won't.

> There's always something better around the corner.


For $1000 it better make dinner and do the dishes as well...

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On 8 Sep, 01:09, "B. Peg" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Glad I didn't jump on the iPhone bandwagon - and now certainly won't.
> There's always something better around the corner.

That's how it works nowadays - there's always something better around
the corner. If you decide to never buy a tech product because
something better will turn up soon, you'll never buy anything.

My personal strategy is to buy last season's best thing. That way I
get charged the lower price (prices nearly always go down a while
after first release - though not usually as quickly as what happened
with the iPhone), any "bugs" in the item will have been discovered and
sorted, and I get to own a gadget or whatever that is pretty damn good
- not as good as the "latest thing", but good nevertheless.

B. Peg wrote:

>Glad I didn't jump on the iPhone bandwagon - and now certainly won't.
>There's always something better around the corner.

Yeah? Then you may never buy anything, because they will always be
"something better around the corner".

Although I will say a $200 drop, this early in the product cycle, is a
bit of a kick in the nads for the early buyers...

dapunka wrote:

>My personal strategy is to buy last season's best thing. That way I
>get charged the lower price

That works especially well for cameras. You can get a nice one with a
high-quality lens for a low price because it has "only" X megapixels
(like you need that many anyway - 2 megapixels fills a computer screen
plenty well).

>"dapunka" wrote:
>> Glad I didn't jump on the iPhone bandwagon - and now certainly won't.
>> There's always something better around the corner.
>
> That's how it works nowadays - there's always something better around
> the corner. If you decide to never buy a tech product because
> something better will turn up soon, you'll never buy anything.

True, but at least I wouldn't be the owner of a product that has been
discontinued like Apple's 4gig iPhone. That has to be one of the shortest
product runs ever at 2 1/2 months before being discontinued!

Soon it will be once you stand in line, it'll be obsolete by the time you
get to the register.

No more Apple's here. I think I'll wait for a product that has been out at
least 4 months before being discontinued or qualifying for a "credit."

Since foreign countries have better and even faster goods to market than the
U.S., I doubt if the iPhone will be worth anything overseas against their
current product lines. Sad really.

B~

"B. Peg" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > That's how it works nowadays - there's always something better around
> > the corner. If you decide to never buy a tech product because
> > something better will turn up soon, you'll never buy anything.
>
> True, but at least I wouldn't be the owner of a product that has been
> discontinued like Apple's 4gig iPhone. That has to be one of the shortest
> product runs ever at 2 1/2 months before being discontinued!

yes, but in the Apple world, Apple products are supported far longer
than any other company does. Even Apple's 6 year old iPod is well
supported to this day. You can't say that about Nokia or Moto phones, or
any MP3 player other than Apple. I like the stuff since you get more
value when you buy from them. I don't like crap, so having the better
device and the longer lifetime is important.

> Soon it will be once you stand in line, it'll be obsolete by the time you
> get to the register.

That's been true for 1000's of years, so not sure what you mean.

> No more Apple's here. I think I'll wait for a product that has been out at
> least 4 months before being discontinued or qualifying for a "credit."

You mean... "you've never owned an apple product before", so are trying
to bluff the readership, nice try, but buzz, you've been caught in a
lie. If you do wait 4 months you run the risk on the other side of
having just bought, but a new model comes out. While I agree Apple's
$100 drop in 70 days is a little fast, it's right in line with the
industry when you think about it.

> Since foreign countries have better and even faster goods to market than the
> U.S., I doubt if the iPhone will be worth anything overseas against their
> current product lines. Sad really.

Well, the other countries don't have the technical resources to build
something on the level of an iPhone, so even 3-4 years from now the
iPhone will still be the top tech product / top cell phone in those 2nd
world countries.

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dapunka <[email protected]> wrote in news:1189242280.173817.299060@
50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:

> My personal strategy is to buy last season's best thing. That way I
> get charged the lower price (prices nearly always go down a while
> after first release - though not usually as quickly as what happened
> with the iPhone), any "bugs" in the item will have been discovered and
> sorted, and I get to own a gadget or whatever that is pretty damn good
> - not as good as the "latest thing", but good nevertheless.
>
>
>

Just down the street from each other, here, is Best Buy and Circuit City.

If I'm going to buy something from one of them, I'll take a copy of the
price tag to the other for the price match + 10 or 15%. Then, you take
that receipt to the first store and get THEIR price match + 10 or 15% for
even more discounting....returning the first product you bought without
even opening the package. It's a handy piece of change on same-priced
items costing hundreds of dollars! I don't mind playing these stupid
mind games...really. Best Buy marked the 750GB Western Digital My Book
Essential Edition (USB port only) down to $179.95, the best price I've
ever seen, including the net, for a couple of days. I played the game
and ended up paying $157 for a really nice 750GB USB external drive that
sells for nearly twice that anywhere else....(c; Even has 158 GB still
free after a week on my system!

Two days later, the price was $279 for it...and holding. I think someone
screwed up....TS.

Larry
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Power supply and box but no instruction sheet....like new!

chrisv <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> 2 megapixels fills a computer screen
> plenty well).
>

There's a new electronics rule.....

Any camera worth anything must have 8 times the number of pixels your most
intense monitor can display....(c;

Larry
--
Jumbotron can't display 12 megapixels, can it??

Larry wrote:

> chrisv <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> 2 megapixels fills a computer screen
>> plenty well).
>>
>
> There's a new electronics rule.....
>
> Any camera worth anything must have 8 times the number of pixels your most
> intense monitor can display....(c;
>
> Larry

Ah, yes
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> "Oxford" wrote:
>>... That has to be one of the shortest
>> product runs ever at 2 1/2 months before being discontinued!
>
> yes, but in the Apple world, Apple products are supported far longer
> than any other company does. Even Apple's 6 year old iPod is well
> supported to this day. You can't say that about Nokia or Moto phones, or
> any MP3 player other than Apple. I like the stuff since you get more
> value when you buy from them. I don't like crap, so having the better
> device and the longer lifetime is important.

You think?

Gee. I have owned Archo's products for years now. At least they were smart
and put the battery externally where one could switch it out and keep
listening rather than needing to be near a power source. I chose it over my
friend's ipod since he had to send his off more than once for battery
issues. Plus, I am able to show movies as well as record off the Dish
Network satellite receiver directly to it via USB. Music sounds far better
off it too than my friends ipod, but it also costs far more too. At least I
am not tied to Apple Service to keep it running like an ipod.


>> Soon it will be once you stand in line, it'll be obsolete by the time you
>> get to the register.
>
> That's been true for 1000's of years, so not sure what you mean.

2 1/2 months until obsolescence?

>> No more Apple's here. I think I'll wait for a product that has been out
>> at
>> least 4 months before being discontinued or qualifying for a "credit."
>
> You mean... "you've never owned an apple product before", so are trying
> to bluff the readership, nice try, but buzz, you've been caught in a
> lie.

We have Apple computers at work. They are good for elementary school kids,
but hardly good if you want to run any engineering programs. Software is so
rare for Apple's that you need an emulator to run Windows based programs on
them. Worse is when you wait on the phone for Apple Support for "The
estimated time until you call can be answered is 2 hours 14 minutes." You
can't be serious!

We changed to Gateways and Windows XP Pro. Fwiw, they came with iTunes also.
Don't know what that was all about.

> While I agree Apple's
> $100 drop in 70 days is a little fast, it's right in line with the
> industry when you think about it.

It is? More like $200. Even x-Box didn't drop that fast.

> >> Since foreign countries have better and even faster goods to market
> >> than the
>> U.S., I doubt if the iPhone will be worth anything overseas against their
>> current product lines. Sad really.
>
> Well, the other countries don't have the technical resources to build
> something on the level of an iPhone,

I thought the iPhone was built in China? Seems very similar to one of the
LG's too.

China has the technology and their internet is faster (U.S. is still copper
based, and they and other developing nations are optical fiber based).
Finland will set the speed records so any phone hardware from them and
possibly Korea will be the ones to watch.

> so even 3-4 years from now the
> iPhone will still be the top tech product / top cell phone in those 2nd
> world countries.

Doubt it. With the roll out of 3.5G and whatever else is on the horizon,
the current will need to adjust and the U.S. is no longer a first world
order technological giant. Restrictions and litigation are to great in the
U.S. It's now overseas countries that are moving ahead. The cell network in
the U.S. is too slow to change verses other countries. That is one reason
Nokia who has about 35% of the phone sales overall, fell out of grace with
AT&T as they moved away from the 850 frequency to 900 Mhz. The N95 didn't
adopt to the older U.S. system. They had to go back to making Quad-band
phone N95 8gig model to satisfy the FCC for U.S. operation.

The smaller, 2nd world countries as you call them, are in a far better
position to update their entire networks than the U.S. due to the size of
the geography alone. Finland and Korea can change their entire system out
in weeks compared to the U.S. landmass that would take years - assuming cell
towers are 5-8 miles apart.

All Job's hyped copyrights on the iPhone will stifle growth in the U.S.
market as well. His money will come from lawsuits on similar products in
the U.S. which other countries can ignore and move on. Who will it
ultimately hurt? The consumer. (Same basic argument for Mp3 music files as
well, but don't get me on that one!). I expect HTC and LG to become
stronger in the Asian markets and European as well. Nokia and others,
should they wish to continue sales in the U.S., will need to satisfy our
older network.

B~

"B. Peg" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > yes, but in the Apple world, Apple products are supported far longer
> > than any other company does. Even Apple's 6 year old iPod is well
> > supported to this day. You can't say that about Nokia or Moto phones, or
> > any MP3 player other than Apple. I like the stuff since you get more
> > value when you buy from them. I don't like crap, so having the better
> > device and the longer lifetime is important.
>
> You think?
>
> Gee. I have owned Archo's products for years now. At least they were smart
> and put the battery externally where one could switch it out and keep
> listening rather than needing to be near a power source. I chose it over my
> friend's ipod since he had to send his off more than once for battery
> issues. Plus, I am able to show movies as well as record off the Dish
> Network satellite receiver directly to it via USB. Music sounds far better
> off it too than my friends ipod, but it also costs far more too. At least I
> am not tied to Apple Service to keep it running like an ipod.

the Archo product is just too big and poorly built for my consideration.
Sound quality is actually better on the iPod according to tests, so not
sure what that is about. And no, the iPod hasn't been in for service
more than once. don't lie.

> >> Soon it will be once you stand in line, it'll be obsolete by the time you
> >> get to the register.
> >
> > That's been true for 1000's of years, so not sure what you mean.
>
> 2 1/2 months until obsolescence?

ah, nothing has been made obsolete, just a price drop of $200, but it's
the exact same model, so you might want to read up on the events to
learn more.

> We have Apple computers at work. They are good for elementary school kids,
> but hardly good if you want to run any engineering programs. Software is so
> rare for Apple's that you need an emulator to run Windows based programs on
> them. Worse is when you wait on the phone for Apple Support for "The
> estimated time until you call can be answered is 2 hours 14 minutes." You
> can't be serious!

Depends on what you have a work, yes, Apple does have models designed
for Kids, but they have very high end professional models too.

> We changed to Gateways and Windows XP Pro. Fwiw, they came with iTunes also.
> Don't know what that was all about.

Gateway? That was surely a step down for the people that used the Macs,
I bet the hate them.

> > While I agree Apple's
> > $100 drop in 70 days is a little fast, it's right in line with the
> > industry when you think about it.
>
> It is? More like $200. Even x-Box didn't drop that fast.

No, it was just $100 drop since anyone that bought one gets $100 back,
do the math. Kinda cool, I don't remember MS being that good to their
customers with the Xbox, even when they had to recall almost all of them
for product failure.

> > Well, the other countries don't have the technical resources to build
> > something on the level of an iPhone,
>
> I thought the iPhone was built in China? Seems very similar to one of the
> LG's too.

Of course numbnuts, but they are built to Apple's california engineering
specs. China has no resources to make them, they just snap them together
with their little fingers.

> China has the technology and their internet is faster (U.S. is still copper
> based, and they and other developing nations are optical fiber based).
> Finland will set the speed records so any phone hardware from them and
> possibly Korea will be the ones to watch.

Maybe because China doesn't allow their people to use the regular
internet?

> > so even 3-4 years from now the
> > iPhone will still be the top tech product / top cell phone in those 2nd
> > world countries.
>
> Doubt it. With the roll out of 3.5G and whatever else is on the horizon,
> the current will need to adjust and the U.S. is no longer a first world
> order technological giant. Restrictions and litigation are to great in the
> U.S. It's now overseas countries that are moving ahead. The cell network in
> the U.S. is too slow to change verses other countries. That is one reason
> Nokia who has about 35% of the phone sales overall, fell out of grace with
> AT&T as they moved away from the 850 frequency to 900 Mhz. The N95 didn't
> adopt to the older U.S. system. They had to go back to making Quad-band
> phone N95 8gig model to satisfy the FCC for U.S. operation.

3.5G is still far slower than normal WiFi so I wouldn't need it but
maybe 5-10% of the time. Yes, the US system is screwed up, but not much
Apple can do about that. The europe iPhone will obviously have 3 or 3.5G
we'll know in about a month.

> The smaller, 2nd world countries as you call them, are in a far better
> position to update their entire networks than the U.S. due to the size of
> the geography alone. Finland and Korea can change their entire system out
> in weeks compared to the U.S. landmass that would take years - assuming cell
> towers are 5-8 miles apart.

Yes, tiny countries with small populations have an advantage.

> All Job's hyped copyrights on the iPhone will stifle growth in the U.S.
> market as well. His money will come from lawsuits on similar products in
> the U.S. which other countries can ignore and move on. Who will it
> ultimately hurt? The consumer. (Same basic argument for Mp3 music files as
> well, but don't get me on that one!). I expect HTC and LG to become
> stronger in the Asian markets and European as well. Nokia and others,
> should they wish to continue sales in the U.S., will need to satisfy our
> older network.

But nobody in Europe has the ability to make highly advanced phones such
as the iPhone, so it will quickly become the number 1 smart phone in
europe and remain that way for decades. Apple just knows how to build
products like no other company on the planet. Smaller, faster, lighter,
better battery life, Apple will kill all the european phones in a matter
of a year or so.

Nice talking with you.

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"B. Peg" <[email protected]> wrote:
>

> > We have Apple computers at work. They are good for elementary school kids,
> > but hardly good if you want to run any engineering programs. Software is
> > so
> > rare for Apple's that you need an emulator to run Windows based programs on
> > them.

Yes, "ClosetDesign 3D" is not avalable for Mac.
Damn those developers.

My 500K + a year business run only on Macs has been crippled by this
lack of software.
I cry every night about this.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yes, "ClosetDesign 3D" is not avalable for Mac.
> Damn those developers.
>
> My 500K + a year business run only on Macs has been crippled by this
> lack of software.
> I cry every night about this.

it runs under parallels, sleep tight.

http://www.parallels.com/en/download/desktop/

> "Oxford" wrote:
>...
> But nobody in Europe has the ability to make highly advanced phones such
> as the iPhone, so it will quickly become the number 1 smart phone in
> europe and remain that way for decades. Apple just knows how to build
> products like no other company on the planet. Smaller, faster, lighter,
> better battery life, Apple will kill all the european phones in a matter
> of a year or so.

Oh sure they will. I'll bet Nokia is just quaking in their boots.

Think Apple will come up with anything like the Nokia IP2450 security phone?
Highly doubtful. It's a Nokia-Seimens design. Consumer cost $59,995.00. Is
it worth it? Maybe to some business.

The iPhone should be marketed as a mutli-media phone as does Nokia with
their N95. It certainly isn't a business phone as the HTC TyTn II which
does far more but at a higher cost. I'd hesitate to the iPhone a
smartphone. Too "gimicky" an advertsing word for a multi-meida phone -
which it is.

Oh, the ipod has usually scored lower than iRiver, Creative, and Archos in
all audiophile reports. Go look.

B~

"B. Peg" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > "Oxford" wrote:
> >...
> > But nobody in Europe has the ability to make highly advanced phones such
> > as the iPhone, so it will quickly become the number 1 smart phone in
> > europe and remain that way for decades. Apple just knows how to build
> > products like no other company on the planet. Smaller, faster, lighter,
> > better battery life, Apple will kill all the european phones in a matter
> > of a year or so.
>
> Oh sure they will. I'll bet Nokia is just quaking in their boots.

The CEO certainly is, they are going to try and roll out their Ovi music
store to compete against apple but from what I've heard they can't get
music rights, nor have the technical expertise to build huge multi-user
download systems.

> Think Apple will come up with anything like the Nokia IP2450 security phone?
> Highly doubtful. It's a Nokia-Seimens design. Consumer cost $59,995.00. Is
> it worth it? Maybe to some business.

apple has built stuff like that for years. they just do it better since
they have access to better engineers.

http://www.apple.com/xserve/design.html

> The iPhone should be marketed as a mutli-media phone as does Nokia with
> their N95. It certainly isn't a business phone as the HTC TyTn II which
> does far more but at a higher cost. I'd hesitate to the iPhone a
> smartphone. Too "gimicky" an advertsing word for a multi-meida phone -
> which it is.

the business stuff is coming quickly, it's only been out for 70ish days,
so they can do both, a high end multi-media phone and a medium end
business workhorse.

> Oh, the ipod has usually scored lower than iRiver, Creative, and Archos in
> all audiophile reports. Go look.

no, provide a link and we'll talk. if not, you are incorrect.