Nokia 5190 and the two battery styles for phone LI-ION, NIMH

I bought (on purpose) a Nokia 5190 for a friend who wanted a
bigger phone that could be used with T-mobile ToGo. (its a GSM 1900
T-mobile branded model)
Seller claims that the battery is tested and good. Ok, well
heres the catch. The 5190 model hasn't been made since maybe 2000. He
did not state if it was the original battery or a replacement.
Assuming the battery isn't quite that healthy. which battery type would
be best for a person who doesn't charge them every night. He lives in
his motorhome, often talks until the batteries drop dead before he
charges them. I would like to know. which of the two major format
batteries will give the most for the price.

I know Li-Ion's don't like to be deep cycled. Have a limited number of
charge cycles but... have loads of maH given to their mass.

NiMH batteries don't have as much of a limited charge cycle and don't
really mind being deep discharged. Less maH than the Li-Ion and thus
shorter run times.

I believe the 5190 can also use NiCads which as I remember vaguely
Loved to be Deep Cycled, Can be charged lots of times, but the
batteries last only about 10 years under normal circumstances. Heavy
metals in the batteries are toxic to the environment. Least number of
maH than of the three formats. That is why NiMh was created, to
replace NiCads. Thus this battery is the least favored of the three
formats.

Given my friend's usage patterns should I look for a Li-ION,
NiMH or a NiCad battery pack for this phone on Ebay? I see all three
on Ebay, although the NIMh and Li-ION are the most common for this
model. He wants his phone to have mass as well. Perhaps a Moteloma
158x "brick" may have been a better choice? only I only had $10.99 to
buy this used Nokia 5190 not the $150-$180 that the Moteloma 158x
"brick" goes for.

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At 11 Oct 2007 18:11:51 +0000 B'ichela wrote:
> I bought (on purpose) a Nokia 5190 for a friend who wanted a
> bigger phone that could be used with T-mobile ToGo. (its a GSM 1900
> T-mobile branded model)


Nice phone in it's day, but the lack of 800MHz makes it a less than
ideal choice today, particularly for someone traveling. While T-Mo's
native coverage is all 1900, they rely on 800 roaming coverage in
many areas.


> Assuming the battery isn't quite that healthy. which battery type
would
> be best for a person who doesn't charge them every night. He lives
in
> his motorhome, often talks until the batteries drop dead before he
> charges them. I would like to know. which of the two major format
> batteries will give the most for the price.


I'd go with the Ni-MH. Li-Ons hate being deeply discharged, and
frankly, I don't think Nokia ever sold one for 5190. (I realize your
looking at aftermarket batteries, not "genuine Nokias" but my concern
would be that the phone's charging circuit was designed for them, and
might not charge them efficiently.

> NiMH batteries don't have as much of a limited charge cycle and
don't
> really mind being deep discharged. Less maH than the Li-Ion and thus
> shorter run times.


So buy two! ;-)


> I believe the 5190 can also use NiCads which as I remember vaguely
> Loved to be Deep Cycled, Can be charged lots of times, but the
> batteries last only about 10 years under normal circumstances.

Ten years? They don't just 'love' being deep-cycled, they actually
require it. I'd stick with the Ni-MH if he runs them flat.


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all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock wrote:
> Nice phone in it's day, but the lack of 800MHz makes it a less than
> ideal choice today, particularly for someone traveling. While T-Mo's
> native coverage is all 1900, they rely on 800 roaming coverage in
> many areas.
This one says it comes with the Analogue module. I would make
the logical guess it does analogue (AMPS 850) in additon. When he and
I transversed Connecticut this weekend, my Nokia 6340i (a 850 and 1900
mhz band GSM phone). never roamed onto Cingular at all. Therefore, he
and I ran into a few dud spots.
> I'd go with the Ni-MH. Li-Ons hate being deeply discharged, and
> frankly, I don't think Nokia ever sold one for 5190. (I realize your
> looking at aftermarket batteries, not "genuine Nokias" but my concern
> would be that the phone's charging circuit was designed for them, and
> might not charge them efficiently.
I am unsure if Nokia had done so either. Its posible but then
for the prices on Ebay.... you never can be absolutly certain. Point
taken on the use of NiMH packs. Right now he hasn't payed me yet so I
will be playing with it here until he gives me the $money$.

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At 14 Oct 2007 20:40:08 +0000 B'ichela wrote:

> > Nice phone in it's day, but the lack of 800MHz makes it a less than
> > ideal choice today,

> This one says it comes with the Analogue module. I would make
> the logical guess it does analogue (AMPS 850) in additon.


Not really. The analog module was essentially a separate 800 MHz analog
phone sandwiched between the 5190 and the battery. It used the keypad
and display of the 5190 and kicked in when the 5190 lost signal.

However, the analog module has to be provisioned ("activated") by the GSM
carrier. T-Mo doesn't do that anymore. (But yes, you could use it to
call 911.)

The 5190 is a 1900-only GSM phone. The analog module will Not bestow the
ability to use GSM on 800MHz.


> When he and
> I transversed Connecticut this weekend, my Nokia 6340i (a 850 and 1900
> mhz band GSM phone). never roamed onto Cingular at all. Therefore, he
> and I ran into a few dud spots.


New Hampshire roaming relies on 850, as does most of the midwest. If he
never leaves Southern New England, he'll be fine.