Cost of Telstra free home?

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> writes:

>> What is the point of getting ADSL then?

>She needs the landline for the monitored alarm system.

I already know that Chemical Man.

>> If someone is going to have to pay $20 *plus* the
>> cost of an ADSL plan, there is no real advantage.

>Wrong again with the higher download limits or no download limit.

Most of the low-end ADSL plans which make it competetive with line rental
included offering puny limits and most consumers can't fathom why they
should pay more than a phone line to get higher limits.

Sure there are the medium priced plans which offer limits ranging anywhere
from 2G upwards, and plans with no limit (but even higher prices), but again
these are priced so expensively that it's putting DSL-based internet access
back up into the 'unaffordable for most people' category.

Regards,

Craig.


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Craig Ian Dewick <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> writes
>> Craig Ian Dewick <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> writes
>>>> nelly <[email protected]> wrote

>>>>> Scenario:

>>>>> My landline is with Telstra.
>>>>> My mobile is with Telstra CDMA.
>>>>> My internet connection is with Telstra Bigpond broadband cable.
>>>>> No contracts at all.
>>>>> I own necessary hardware.

>>>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is
>>>>> ADT monitored alarm system- it requires fixed phone line.

>>>> Which makes the adsl without landline question redundant.

>>>>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise
>>>>> of another reliable service bypassing fixed line.

>>>>> Voice calls on fixed line are not a problem as these can be moved to
>>>>> VOIP (at a cost of hardware and cheaper than Telstra monthly fee).

>>>> But you need the landline for the alarm system.

>>>>> Internet connection can be switched to ADSL
>>>>> (but not ADSL2 as yet) at a cost of a new modem

>>>> Quite a few provide a free modem.

>>>>> and monthly fee.

>>>> Lower than the cable monthly fee.

>>>>> Furthermore- do I have to pay for landline to keep ADSL going?

>>>> Yes. But that can be HomeLine Budget at $18.50 per month.

>>> What is the point of getting ADSL then?

>> She needs the landline for the monitored alarm system.

> I already know that Chemical Man.

But you didnt allow for that with your crap about the cost of broadband.

>>> If someone is going to have to pay $20 *plus* the
>>> cost of an ADSL plan, there is no real advantage.

>> Wrong again with the higher download limits or no download limit.

> Most of the low-end ADSL plans which make it
> competetive with line rental included offering puny limits

Pig ignorant lie.

> and most consumers can't fathom why they should
> pay more than a phone line to get higher limits.

Most consumers are completely irrelevant. She was
quite specific that her current 400M limit is too limiting.

There are quite a few adsl plans around that cost less
than telstra cable, even when you allow for the line rent
and you cant count the line rent in her case because she
needs the line for the monitored alarm system anyway.

> Sure there are the medium priced plans which
> offer limits ranging anywhere from 2G upwards,

And plans which are cheaper than she is
currently paying for telstra cable that do too.

> and plans with no limit (but even higher prices),

More pig ignorance.

> but again these are priced so expensively that
> it's putting DSL-based internet access back up
> into the 'unaffordable for most people' category.

Complete pig ignorant lie. They are CHEAPER than she
is currently paying for telstra cable with a 400M limit.

THATS what matters.

Exetel has 2G for only $25, HALF what she
currently pays for telstra cable with 400M, $50.

"Tom N" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Brendon wrote:
>
> > "nelly" wrote:
> >
> >> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored
> >> alarm system- it requires fixed phone line.
> >> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise of another
> >> reliable service bypassing fixed line.
> >
> > Look into a GSM/mobile adapter for it. With cutting the phone line a
> > common way around a traditional monitered alarms, GSM adapters are
> > getting popular.
> >
> > As for your internet, you could look into Optus cable or one of the
> > several wireless services out there. Because you have Telstra cable,
> > I'm assuming that your located in a Capital City? If so, I wouldnt be
> > surprised if something like Unwired or Iburst is available to you...
>
> Optus can supply a landline phone service over their cable TV network,
> although phone over cable probably less reliable than standard landline.

Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel need a phone adaptor for digital
Pay tv ? Wierd

Thanks for info again, Rod.
Just looked at Exetel sign-up form.
One of the conditions from Exetel is:
"4. There is no 'back to base' alarm system using the nominated line."

I have contacted ADT and yes- I am on "back to base" but no problem- ADT can
install what they call "central filter"- at a cost of $120 for first 1/2 hr
plus parts. If they do that and commission it, I should have no problem with
installation of ADSL. For now...
I will just look around whether I can get it done cheaper and then switch to
ISP other than Bigpond.
At this stage I can only hope for 512/128 on ADSL.
I have seen arguments that cable is faster- well if we are looking at
numbers only I doubt very much my cable connection is much faster than 512
at best times and very often much slower.
Lets say I go for Exetel plan R6WE (2 gig, modem included) at $35/month it
will cost me $120 ADT plus $225 Exetel line activation- say $350+.
In my opinion still worth doing.
Why? Because 400 MB is not enough and I am not prepared to pay for 10 giga I
don't need.
I hope this answers Michel's query.
I do understand Telstra is here to make money.
But I have to survive and thou initially it will cost me money- say it will
take almost 12 months to come to square one on internet connection alone, I
choose to do it. Fixed line will be downgraded to Home Budget, VOIP will go
to say Exetel and I will change mobile carrier too.
Why? Because Telstra was unhappy with my 500 MB monthly allowance and had to
lower it to 400 MB.
And because at this stage I am still allowed to.
nelly


"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> nelly <[email protected]> wrote>
>> Thanks for the info, Rod- much appreciate.
>
>
> How do you feel about lowest price compared
> with minimum risk of the ISP going bust ?
>
> http://www.exetel.com.au/a_plan_pricing_new.htm
> is pretty cheap monthly costs with a substantial
> startup charge, and a small risk of the ISP going bust.
>
> http://www.aapt.com.au/internet/broadband/
> is a bit less risky ISP wise and decent prices.
>
> http://home.dodo.com.au/plans_broadband.html
> maybe, similar ISP risk.
>
> http://www.iinet.net.au/products/home/bliink/index.html
> has no risk of the ISP going bust and not that
> much more expensive than the cheapest per month.
> Excellent speed with 1500 the minimum speed.

nelly <[email protected]> wrote

> Thanks for info again, Rod.
> Just looked at Exetel sign-up form.
> One of the conditions from Exetel is:
> "4. There is no 'back to base' alarm system using the nominated line."

> I have contacted ADT and yes- I am on "back to base" but no problem-
> ADT can install what they call "central filter"- at a cost of $120
> for first 1/2 hr plus parts. If they do that and commission it, I
> should have no problem with installation of ADSL. For now...
> I will just look around whether I can get it done cheaper

You can do it yourself, tho that isnt necessarily legal.

> and then switch to ISP other than Bigpond.
> At this stage I can only hope for 512/128 on ADSL.
> I have seen arguments that cable is faster-

Yes, but with 400M downloaded thats complete academic.

> well if we are looking at numbers only I doubt very much my cable connection
> is much faster than 512 at best times and very often much slower.

And even if it was, it doesnt matter much for 1G or so downloaded.

> Lets say I go for Exetel plan R6WE (2 gig, modem included) at $35/month it
> will cost me $120 ADT plus $225 Exetel line activation- say $350+. In my
> opinion still worth doing.

Yeah, plenty feel that about getting away from telstra cable.

> Why? Because 400 MB is not enough and I am not prepared to pay for 10 giga I
> don't need.

Yeah, exetel is pretty good there, plenty of
step so you only need to get what you will use.

> I hope this answers Michel's query.
> I do understand Telstra is here to make money.
> But I have to survive and thou initially it will cost me money- say
> it will take almost 12 months to come to square one on internet
> connection alone, I choose to do it. Fixed line will be downgraded to
> Home Budget, VOIP will go to say Exetel and I will change mobile
> carrier too. Why? Because Telstra was unhappy with my 500 MB monthly allowance
> and
> had to lower it to 400 MB.
> And because at this stage I am still allowed to.


> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> nelly <[email protected]> wrote>
>>> Thanks for the info, Rod- much appreciate.
>>
>>
>> How do you feel about lowest price compared
>> with minimum risk of the ISP going bust ?
>>
>> http://www.exetel.com.au/a_plan_pricing_new.htm
>> is pretty cheap monthly costs with a substantial
>> startup charge, and a small risk of the ISP going bust.
>>
>> http://www.aapt.com.au/internet/broadband/
>> is a bit less risky ISP wise and decent prices.
>>
>> http://home.dodo.com.au/plans_broadband.html
>> maybe, similar ISP risk.
>>
>> http://www.iinet.net.au/products/home/bliink/index.html
>> has no risk of the ISP going bust and not that
>> much more expensive than the cheapest per month.
>> Excellent speed with 1500 the minimum speed.

FruitLoop <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Tom N" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Brendon wrote:
>>
>>> "nelly" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored
>>>> alarm system- it requires fixed phone line.
>>>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise of another
>>>> reliable service bypassing fixed line.
>>>
>>> Look into a GSM/mobile adapter for it. With cutting the phone line a
>>> common way around a traditional monitered alarms, GSM adapters are
>>> getting popular.
>>>
>>> As for your internet, you could look into Optus cable or one of the
>>> several wireless services out there. Because you have Telstra cable,
>>> I'm assuming that your located in a Capital City? If so, I wouldnt
>>> be surprised if something like Unwired or Iburst is available to
>>> you...
>>
>> Optus can supply a landline phone service over their cable TV
>> network, although phone over cable probably less reliable than
>> standard landline.

> Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel
> need a phone adaptor for digital Pay tv ? Wierd

Nope, their cable system is different, stupid.

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> FruitLoop <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "Tom N" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> Brendon wrote:
> >>
> >>> "nelly" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored
> >>>> alarm system- it requires fixed phone line.
> >>>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise of another
> >>>> reliable service bypassing fixed line.
> >>>
> >>> Look into a GSM/mobile adapter for it. With cutting the phone line a
> >>> common way around a traditional monitered alarms, GSM adapters are
> >>> getting popular.
> >>>
> >>> As for your internet, you could look into Optus cable or one of the
> >>> several wireless services out there. Because you have Telstra cable,
> >>> I'm assuming that your located in a Capital City? If so, I wouldnt
> >>> be surprised if something like Unwired or Iburst is available to
> >>> you...
> >>
> >> Optus can supply a landline phone service over their cable TV
> >> network, although phone over cable probably less reliable than
> >> standard landline.
>
> > Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel
> > need a phone adaptor for digital Pay tv ? Wierd
>
> Nope, their cable system is different, stupid.


Not really , its all bandwidth and they could use a portion ot the broadband
bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , the real answer you
do not even know , as your response is again pathetic

>
>

FruitLoop <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> FruitLoop <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Tom N <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Brendon wrote
>>>>> nelly wrote

>>>>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is
>>>>>> ADT monitored alarm system- it requires fixed phone line.
>>>>>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise
>>>>>> of another reliable service bypassing fixed line.

>>>>> Look into a GSM/mobile adapter for it. With cutting
>>>>> the phone line a common way around a traditional
>>>>> monitered alarms, GSM adapters are getting popular.

>>>>> As for your internet, you could look into Optus cable or one of
>>>>> the several wireless services out there. Because you have Telstra
>>>>> cable, I'm assuming that your located in a Capital City? If so, I
>>>>> wouldnt be surprised if something like Unwired or Iburst is
>>>>> available to you...

>>>> Optus can supply a landline phone service over
>>>> their cable TV network, although phone over cable
>>>> probably less reliable than standard landline.

>>> Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel
>>> need a phone adaptor for digital Pay tv ? Wierd

>> Nope, their cable system is different, stupid.

> Not really,

Yes, really.

> its all bandwidth

Nope, its about quite a bit more than that
with providing a phone service over the cable.

> and they could use a portion ot the broadband
> bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone ,

Nothing like the phone. Telstra chose not to
have that capability with their cable service.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a ****ing clue about anything at all, ever.

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> FruitLoop <[email protected]> wrote
> > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
> >> FruitLoop <[email protected]> wrote
> >>> Tom N <[email protected]> wrote
> >>>> Brendon wrote
> >>>>> nelly wrote
>
> >>>>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is
> >>>>>> ADT monitored alarm system- it requires fixed phone line.
> >>>>>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise
> >>>>>> of another reliable service bypassing fixed line.
>
> >>>>> Look into a GSM/mobile adapter for it. With cutting
> >>>>> the phone line a common way around a traditional
> >>>>> monitered alarms, GSM adapters are getting popular.
>
> >>>>> As for your internet, you could look into Optus cable or one of
> >>>>> the several wireless services out there. Because you have Telstra
> >>>>> cable, I'm assuming that your located in a Capital City? If so, I
> >>>>> wouldnt be surprised if something like Unwired or Iburst is
> >>>>> available to you...
>
> >>>> Optus can supply a landline phone service over
> >>>> their cable TV network, although phone over cable
> >>>> probably less reliable than standard landline.
>
> >>> Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel
> >>> need a phone adaptor for digital Pay tv ? Wierd
>
> >> Nope, their cable system is different, stupid.
>
> > Not really,
>
> Yes, really.
>
> > its all bandwidth
>
> Nope, its about quite a bit more than that
> with providing a phone service over the cable.

Again , no idea on what Im saying , just raving on again Rat****

>
> > and they could use a portion ot the broadband
> > bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone ,
>
> Nothing like the phone. Telstra chose not to
> have that capability with their cable service.

Again you have no idea about bandwidth and spectrum

>
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
> never ever had a ****ing clue about anything at all, ever.

Maybe you should read and understand the concepts dickhead
>
>

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Michael <[email protected]> wrote
> > Brendon <[email protected]> wrote
> >> Michael <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >>> You havent actually specified why you want a
> >>> Telstra free home or what the advantages would be.
>
> >> Eating away at their monopoly, 1 customer at a time...
>
> > How is that an advantage to a customer?
>
> A customer may hate telstra, stupid.

Like we all hate you and your bull**** , hmmmm sounds feasible


>
>

Some gutless pig ignorant ****wit desperately cowering behind
FruitLoop <[email protected]> desperately attempted
to bull**** its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely
no one at all, as always.

Some gutless pig ignorant ****wit desperately cowering behind
FruitLoop <[email protected]> desperately attempted
to bull**** its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely
no one at all, as always.

FruitLoop wrote:

> "Tom N" wrote:
>> Optus can supply a landline phone service over their cable TV
>> network, although phone over cable probably less reliable than
>> standard landline.
>
> Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel need a phone adaptor for
> digital Pay tv ? Wierd

Foxtel could also have an ethernet socket on the STB and let the customer
provide the internet return path (my guess is that most people with cable
TV have broadband internet).

IIRC, Pace has a digital cable STB with a broadband modem in it.
Presumably that offers a cable return path. Of course that's moot now as
Telstra is abandoning cable internet (when they do that, they will lose me
as a customer for internet - preferably to an ISP that doesn't use any
Telstra infrastructure - and I'll probably move the fixed lines to some
other telco as well).

nelly wrote:

> I have seen arguments that cable is faster- well if we are looking at
> numbers only I doubt very much my cable connection is much faster than
> 512 at best times and very often much slower.
> Lets say I go for Exetel plan R6WE (2 gig, modem included) at
> $35/month it will cost me $120 ADT plus $225 Exetel line activation-
> say $350+. In my opinion still worth doing.
> Why? Because 400 MB is not enough and I am not prepared to pay for 10
> giga I don't need.

Why don't you try out VoIP first using one of the many services which has
no monthly fee and no sign-up fee using a soft-phone (uses a headset and
software on your computer). You might want to upgrade Bigpond to 10 GB
plan for the duration of the test.

You might find that the usage on VoIP pushes your internet over 1GB per
month. If that happens, then the $20 extra to get 10GB download on Bigpond
cable won't seem so expensive.

Also, I had a look on broadbandchoice.com.au and it seems there are plenty
of 1500 kbps at least 1GB download ADSL services available (at least where
I live) for under $50 a month and some for under $40. So should you
disconnect Bigpond, you should not have to settle for a 512 ADSL service.

Is there Optus cable TV service available in your street?

Rod Speed wrote:

> Exetel has 2G for only $25, HALF what she
> currently pays for telstra cable with 400M, $50.

Bigpond cable 400MB (uncapped download/128 upload) is $39.95 if you have
full service fixed phone with Telstra (which she apparently has: "My
landline is with Telstra").

Bigpond cable 10GB (unlimited*) is $59.95 under the same circumstances.

The $25 Exetel 2GB service is 256/64 (doesn't include a modem) is not
comparable to uncapped cable.

512/128 Exetel 2GB service is $35 a month (includes a modem)
1500/256 Exetel 16GB service is $60 a month (doesn't include a modem)

If she wants to bundle phone with ADSL, then iiNet and Ozemail can provide
ADSL2 at 12Mbps (or 1500 Mbps unbundled) for $39.95 a month with 2GB
download.

Optus has a cable 2GB download (another 4GB off peak) plan at $39.95, and a
cable 300MB peak/600MB off-peak download plan at $29.95, both if bundled
with phone.