Cost of Telstra free home?

Another useless piece of crap from RS or Rat**** as you are known around the
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Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
FruitLoop <[email protected]> desperately
attempted to bull**** its way out of its predicament
and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
FruitLoop <[email protected]> desperately
attempted to bull**** its way out of its predicament
and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

"FruitLoop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> FruitLoop <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Tom N" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Brendon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "nelly" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT
>>>>>> monitored alarm system- it requires fixed phone line.
>>>>>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise of another
>>>>>> reliable service bypassing fixed line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look into a GSM/mobile adapter for it. With cutting the phone
>>>>> line a common way around a traditional monitered alarms, GSM
>>>>> adapters are getting popular.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for your internet, you could look into Optus cable or one of
>>>>> the several wireless services out there. Because you have Telstra
>>>>> cable, I'm assuming that your located in a Capital City? If so, I
>>>>> wouldnt be surprised if something like Unwired or Iburst is
>>>>> available to you...
>>>>
>>>> Optus can supply a landline phone service over their cable TV
>>>> network, although phone over cable probably less reliable than
>>>> standard landline.
>>
>>> Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel
>>> need a phone adaptor for digital Pay tv ? Wierd
>>
>> Nope, their cable system is different, stupid.
>
>
> Not really , its all bandwidth

Nope.
There's also a packet switched network that needs to go behind the cable and
a d/a converter to sit at the customers end.

A lot more complicated than just allocating a 64k channel to voice.

> and they could use a portion ot the
> broadband bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , the
> real answer you do not even know , as your response is again pathetic

You've clearly got no idea.

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Kwyj

"Kwyjibo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "FruitLoop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> FruitLoop <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> "Tom N" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>> Brendon wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> "nelly" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT
> >>>>>> monitored alarm system- it requires fixed phone line.
> >>>>>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise of another
> >>>>>> reliable service bypassing fixed line.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Look into a GSM/mobile adapter for it. With cutting the phone
> >>>>> line a common way around a traditional monitered alarms, GSM
> >>>>> adapters are getting popular.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for your internet, you could look into Optus cable or one of
> >>>>> the several wireless services out there. Because you have Telstra
> >>>>> cable, I'm assuming that your located in a Capital City? If so, I
> >>>>> wouldnt be surprised if something like Unwired or Iburst is
> >>>>> available to you...
> >>>>
> >>>> Optus can supply a landline phone service over their cable TV
> >>>> network, although phone over cable probably less reliable than
> >>>> standard landline.
> >>
> >>> Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel
> >>> need a phone adaptor for digital Pay tv ? Wierd
> >>
> >> Nope, their cable system is different, stupid.
> >
> >
> > Not really , its all bandwidth
>
> Nope.
> There's also a packet switched network that needs to go behind the cable
and
> a d/a converter to sit at the customers end.

We are talking a service purely for billing , which could be all data only ,
doesnt require a D/A converter .

Thats what the phone connection on a foxtel box does .

Anyway sounds like you guys dont get it .

>
> A lot more complicated than just allocating a 64k channel to voice.
>
> > and they could use a portion ot the
> > broadband bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , the
> > real answer you do not even know , as your response is again pathetic
>
> You've clearly got no idea.
>
> --
> Kwyj
>
>

FruitLoop <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Kwyjibo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "FruitLoop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> FruitLoop <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> "Tom N" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> Brendon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "nelly" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT
>>>>>>>> monitored alarm system- it requires fixed phone line.
>>>>>>>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise of another
>>>>>>>> reliable service bypassing fixed line.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look into a GSM/mobile adapter for it. With cutting the phone
>>>>>>> line a common way around a traditional monitered alarms, GSM
>>>>>>> adapters are getting popular.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for your internet, you could look into Optus cable or one of
>>>>>>> the several wireless services out there. Because you have
>>>>>>> Telstra cable, I'm assuming that your located in a Capital
>>>>>>> City? If so, I wouldnt be surprised if something like Unwired
>>>>>>> or Iburst is available to you...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Optus can supply a landline phone service over their cable TV
>>>>>> network, although phone over cable probably less reliable than
>>>>>> standard landline.
>>>>
>>>>> Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel
>>>>> need a phone adaptor for digital Pay tv ? Wierd
>>>>
>>>> Nope, their cable system is different, stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not really , its all bandwidth
>>
>> Nope.
>> There's also a packet switched network that needs to go behind the
>> cable and a d/a converter to sit at the customers end.

> We are talking a service purely for billing ,

Wrong again, its actually for ordering the pay per view movies etc.

> which could be all data only , doesnt require a D/A converter .

Does require a two way operation tho.

> Thats what the phone connection on a foxtel box does .

It still needs to see what appears to be a POTS service, stupid.

> Anyway sounds like you guys dont get it .

It you that have never ever had a ****ing clue.

If it was as easy as doing it over the cable, dont you
'think' they'd do it that way instead of farting around
providing a connection to their POTS service ?

>> A lot more complicated than just allocating a 64k channel to voice.
>>
>>> and they could use a portion ot the
>>> broadband bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , the
>>> real answer you do not even know , as your response is again
>>> pathetic
>>
>> You've clearly got no idea.

He's right.

Tom N wrote:

> FruitLoop wrote:
>
>> "Tom N" wrote:
>>> Optus can supply a landline phone service over their cable TV
>>> network, although phone over cable probably less reliable than
>>> standard landline.
>>
>> Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel need a phone adaptor for
>> digital Pay tv ? Wierd
>
> Foxtel could also have an ethernet socket on the STB and let the
> customer provide the internet return path (my guess is that most
> people with cable TV have broadband internet).
>
> IIRC, Pace has a digital cable STB with a broadband modem in it.
> Presumably that offers a cable return path. Of course that's moot now
> as Telstra is abandoning cable internet (when they do that, they will
> lose me as a customer for internet - preferably to an ISP that doesn't
> use any Telstra infrastructure - and I'll probably move the fixed
> lines to some other telco as well).

http://www.pacemicro.com/corporate/p....asp?PID=DC620

"By using the DC620 with a two-way broadband connection, cable operators
are in an ideal position to offer the full range of services that are
associated with interactive digital television such as games, shopping,
telephony, banking and high speed internet access.

Benefits for Network Operator and Subscriber

True high speed interactivity is provided by the built in cable modem, this
enables access to the full range of digital cable services including
Enhanced TV, Video on Demand (VOD), Web browsing, high speed PC internet
access, home shopping and e-commerce, multiplayer games, Pay-Per-View (PPV)
services, email and chat. "

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
FruitLoop <[email protected]> desperately
attempted to bull**** its way out of its predicament
and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

Rod Speed- this is what happened so far:
I applied for ADSL connection on 9th of Dec.
I went to one of relatively major providers and asked for 512/128
connection.
Connection was ready for use on 16th of Dec, technically no contract,
however if I cancel within 6 months- $65 penalty.
I needed to call for support when connecting first time on Friday about 5
PM.
It took 2 minutes in que and 2 minutes to fix the problem I admit I am not
used to this kind of treatment but I surely will and fast too.
Later on it took me about 2 hours tweaking with system- i.e. upgrading
firmware in modem, setting Ethernet and wireless connection, setting VOIP
dial plans and testing it all.
Absolutely enjoyable.
ADSL speed as tested- 429/83 with line quality up stream 561/128 kbps, atn
42 db; down stream 6.89/1.54 Mbps, atn 31.5 db.
For $39.95 that I used to pay to Telstra for 400MB on cable I now get 8 GB
on 512/128.
So far I have not noticed any difference in speed- as you pointed it has to
do with the way I use the net.
My Bigpond connection has been cancelled.
I have changed my Telstra landline to Budget- from $26.95/month to
$18.50/month.
I switched to VOIP- no contract- my local calls are now 9.9c untimed 24/7
Australia wide- no flag fall.
Yes, I can notice the difference in quality of calls made using VOIP and
PSTN but it is OK (I am on G.729 codec).
Calls to mobiles 27c/minute- no flag fall.
I didn't have to, but I left 13x, 1300x and 180x calls with Telstra.
For now I intend to keep my CDMA mobile with Telstra- I don't use it that
much and am on $10/month plan.

Now- how much I had to outlay:
Installation of central filter, including parts was $180- couldn't go any
lower because ADT technical dept and codes were involved- had to go for
someone licensed who knew how to go around that.
ADSL2+ modem/VOIP/router/802.11g was $230; as I sold my existing router-
nett cost $130.
ADSL connection was $129- by now it is fairly obvious who is my ISP.
Total outlay I had to make comes to $439- about half of my estimation
however for now I am still using some of Telstra services.
My monthly charge comes down from $66.90 to $58.45, I get very comfortable
Internet allowance and hope my calls will be cheaper.

Rod Speed- you wrote it was doable, I have done it, enjoyed change over and
so far have no regrets.
Once again- thank you.
nelly


"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> nelly <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> Scenario:
>
>> My landline is with Telstra.
>> My mobile is with Telstra CDMA.
>> My internet connection is with Telstra Bigpond broadband cable.
>> No contracts at all.
>> I own necessary hardware.
>
>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored alarm
>> system- it requires fixed phone line.
>
> Which makes the adsl without landline question redundant.
>
>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise of another reliable
>> service bypassing fixed line.
>
>> Voice calls on fixed line are not a problem as these can be moved to
>> VOIP (at a cost of hardware and cheaper than Telstra monthly fee).
>
> But you need the landline for the alarm system.
>
>> Mobile service can be changed at a cost of contract
>
> You dont have to have a contract, you can just change
> to a new mobile telco using your existing handset.
>
>> and probably new hand set-
>
> Nope.
>
>> (am not too sure of another Australia wide CDMA service provider).
>
> Optarse resells Telstra cdma so that would be fine.
>
> So does Southern Cross.
>
>> Internet connection can be switched to ADSL (but not ADSL2 as yet) at a
>> cost of a new modem
>
> Quite a few provide a free modem.
>
>> and monthly fee.
>
> Lower than the cable monthly fee.
>
>> Furthermore- do I have to pay for landline to keep ADSL going?
>
> Yes. But that can be HomeLine Budget at $18.50 per month.
>
>> My rough calculation- if I can do it at all- about $800+ plus contracts-
>> arrgh.
>
> You dont have to have any contracts for anything if you dont want them.
>
>> As you can see not an easy decision-
>
> Its very doable tho.
>
>> and if I know it- so does Telstra.
>
> Sure, they certainly play on the lack of knowledge most have.
>
> You'd have to say how you use the internet, particularly volume per
> month to say too much too useful about the better alternatives.
>
>

nelly <[email protected]> wrote:

> Rod Speed- this is what happened so far:
> I applied for ADSL connection on 9th of Dec.
> I went to one of relatively major providers and asked for 512/128
> connection.
> Connection was ready for use on 16th of Dec, technically no contract,
> however if I cancel within 6 months- $65 penalty.
> I needed to call for support when connecting first time on Friday
> about 5 PM.
> It took 2 minutes in que and 2 minutes to fix the problem I admit I
> am not used to this kind of treatment but I surely will and fast too.
> Later on it took me about 2 hours tweaking with system- i.e. upgrading
> firmware in modem, setting Ethernet and wireless connection, setting
> VOIP dial plans and testing it all.
> Absolutely enjoyable.
> ADSL speed as tested- 429/83 with line quality up stream 561/128
> kbps, atn 42 db; down stream 6.89/1.54 Mbps, atn 31.5 db.
> For $39.95 that I used to pay to Telstra for 400MB on cable I now get
> 8 GB on 512/128.
> So far I have not noticed any difference in speed- as you pointed it
> has to do with the way I use the net.
> My Bigpond connection has been cancelled.
> I have changed my Telstra landline to Budget- from $26.95/month to
> $18.50/month.
> I switched to VOIP- no contract- my local calls are now 9.9c untimed
> 24/7 Australia wide- no flag fall.
> Yes, I can notice the difference in quality of calls made using VOIP
> and PSTN but it is OK (I am on G.729 codec).

The only way I can notice with a mate on engin is that he
currently doesnt present a caller id. Otherwise perfect.

> Calls to mobiles 27c/minute- no flag fall.
> I didn't have to, but I left 13x, 1300x and 180x calls with Telstra.
> For now I intend to keep my CDMA mobile with Telstra- I don't use it that much
> and am on $10/month plan.

Southern Cross Telecoms can do that with no monthly charge,
if you are happy with email bills and direct debit payments,
just pay for the calls you make. Decent rates too. They resell
Telstra CDMA. No cost to change over with CDMA.

http://www.scmobile.com.au/

> Now- how much I had to outlay:
> Installation of central filter, including parts was $180- couldn't go
> any lower because ADT technical dept and codes were involved- had to go for
> someone licensed who knew how to go around that.
> ADSL2+ modem/VOIP/router/802.11g was $230;

Yeah, that's the way I would have gone in your situation myself.

> as I sold my existing router- nett cost $130.
> ADSL connection was $129- by now it is fairly obvious who is my ISP.
> Total outlay I had to make comes to $439- about half of my estimation
> however for now I am still using some of Telstra services.
> My monthly charge comes down from $66.90 to $58.45, I get very
> comfortable Internet allowance and hope my calls will be cheaper.

> Rod Speed- you wrote it was doable, I have done it, enjoyed change over and so
> far have no regrets.
> Once again- thank you.

Thanks for the feedback on how it worked out.


> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> nelly <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>>> Scenario:
>>
>>> My landline is with Telstra.
>>> My mobile is with Telstra CDMA.
>>> My internet connection is with Telstra Bigpond broadband cable.
>>> No contracts at all.
>>> I own necessary hardware.
>>
>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored
>>> alarm system- it requires fixed phone line.
>>
>> Which makes the adsl without landline question redundant.
>>
>>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise of another
>>> reliable service bypassing fixed line.
>>
>>> Voice calls on fixed line are not a problem as these can be moved to
>>> VOIP (at a cost of hardware and cheaper than Telstra monthly fee).
>>
>> But you need the landline for the alarm system.
>>
>>> Mobile service can be changed at a cost of contract
>>
>> You dont have to have a contract, you can just change
>> to a new mobile telco using your existing handset.
>>
>>> and probably new hand set-
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> (am not too sure of another Australia wide CDMA service provider).
>>
>> Optarse resells Telstra cdma so that would be fine.
>>
>> So does Southern Cross.
>>
>>> Internet connection can be switched to ADSL (but not ADSL2 as yet)
>>> at a cost of a new modem
>>
>> Quite a few provide a free modem.
>>
>>> and monthly fee.
>>
>> Lower than the cable monthly fee.
>>
>>> Furthermore- do I have to pay for landline to keep ADSL going?
>>
>> Yes. But that can be HomeLine Budget at $18.50 per month.
>>
>>> My rough calculation- if I can do it at all- about $800+ plus
>>> contracts- arrgh.
>>
>> You dont have to have any contracts for anything if you dont want
>> them.
>>> As you can see not an easy decision-
>>
>> Its very doable tho.
>>
>>> and if I know it- so does Telstra.
>>
>> Sure, they certainly play on the lack of knowledge most have.
>>
>> You'd have to say how you use the internet, particularly volume per
>> month to say too much too useful about the better alternatives.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:52:47 +1100, nelly wrote:

> I switched to VOIP- no contract- my local calls are now 9.9c untimed 24/7
> Australia wide- no flag fall.
> Yes, I can notice the difference in quality of calls made using VOIP and
> PSTN but it is OK (I am on G.729 codec).
> Calls to mobiles 27c/minute- no flag fall.

If you would rather pay 22c/min to mobiles, with no flag-fall and charged
by the second, and no monthly minimum, have a look at Pennytel -
http://www.pennytel.com . I use them and they're reliable and good quality
so far.

Will

"nelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rod Speed- this is what happened so far:
> I applied for ADSL connection on 9th of Dec.
> I went to one of relatively major providers and asked for 512/128
> connection.
> Connection was ready for use on 16th of Dec, technically no contract,
> however if I cancel within 6 months- $65 penalty.

Which makes it a 6-mth contract, goon

> Total outlay I had to make comes to $439- about half of my estimation
> however for now I am still using some of Telstra services.
> My monthly charge comes down from $66.90 to $58.45, I get very comfortable
> Internet allowance and hope my calls will be cheaper.

Ok, youve outlaid $439 to save $8.45 per month, needing 52 months, thus over
FOUR YEARS to save a cent just on the basics

Lets hope you made lots of calls so your RROI is quicker

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:37:16 +0000, Michael wrote:

> Ok, youve outlaid $439 to save $8.45 per month, needing 52 months, thus over
> FOUR YEARS to save a cent just on the basics

That's not the point, is it. The point is to never have to have anything
to do with Te$scum again - and worth every cent, i'm sure!

will kemp wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:37:16 +0000, Michael wrote:
>
>>Ok, youve outlaid $439 to save $8.45 per month, needing 52 months, thus over
>>FOUR YEARS to save a cent just on the basics
>
> That's not the point, is it. The point is to never have to have anything
> to do with Te$scum again - and worth every cent, i'm sure!

Here, here. Not dealing with Tele$cum or Tel$tra is the objective and
this example does show that it can be done at an economical and
competitive price!

Even if it is paying others to deal with the pricks for you it still
works out feasible.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/cl...IENT_NO=157452

"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "nelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Which makes it a 6-mth contract, goon

Michael- I am not a lawyer and I probably used wrong terminology too.
As long as one uses service one is under contract- "we shall do this- you
shan't do that".
Not just 6 months.
When I buy a train ticket- I enter a contract with a carrier, when one gets
married, one enters a contract (just don't say that to other party).

> Ok, youve outlaid $439 to save $8.45 per month, needing 52 months, thus
> over
> FOUR YEARS to save a cent just on the basics
>
> Lets hope you made lots of calls so your RROI is quicker

Again Michael- as I pointed before, my objective was survival, not cents
saving or Telstra bashing.
Any accountant will tell you "GIVE ME A SET OF FIGURES AND I WILL DO TO IT
WHATEVER YOU WANT ME TO".
When Telstra (OK- BigPond) lowered my allowance from 500 MB to 400-MB I
could not survive.
Lowering 500 MB to 400 MB looks like 20% increase of cost to me.
Next option was 10Giga for $59.95- I would have to spent 35% percent more to
survive.
There was nothing in between (I have spoken to Telstra on 3 occasions and
did not ask for turning recording off).
I could have bite the bullet, spend 35% more and buy Sipura or Engine gizmo
for VOIP.
And put up with routers from 3 different manufacturers hating heartbeat. And
have cables hanging all over.
It was clear to me which ever direction I turned to- I had to spend money.
I was with Bigpond for 4 years- now I had to spend more money because (the
way I see it) Telstra decided to give themselves 20% pay rise.
I started this thread, people gave their opinion and advice and I made a
move. I did not go for a rock bottom price- I just need reliable service
hoping I don't have to change provider in near future.
In my opinion I have improved my situation my way and to the point I am
happy.
Other people are obviously entitled to have their opinions and solutions for
which they pay and it makes them happy.
Off course there is a possibility (however remote) that in a few months time
Telstra will lower its prices and my provider will increase it.
BTW- my mobile billing is on its way to Southern Cross (thanks for the tip
Rod Speed) and cable connection is doing nothing.
I still have Telstra Budget land line- for now.
I wish Telstra all the best.
nelly