Old seller IMEI blocks for revenge?

> > How can you prove who has the right to block an IMEI?
>
> Should be obvious. The individual who is calling
> to get the IMEI blocked should be able to show
> that it has used that IMEI for more than a short time.

Ok, good. Now we are talking, Roddles.

Ok. My phone's broken. You lend me yours. I use it for a week, and give it
back.

So then I call to have it blocked, as your mindless lines in UseNet are
starting to make me cry.

My question:
- How do YOU prove, that you have the right to have it unblocked?

> >>> There is no way to "prove" who owns a handset at any one time
>
> >> There are plenty of ways of proving who has the right to block an IMEI.
>
> > How so? Name them.
>
> Just did.

You gave one good example, Ive given you my reply.

> > Case study: The handset I am currently using is not
> > the one I use with my number. The handset my sister
> > is using, is on a service which is not in her name.
>
> Irrelevant if its been used with that sim for more than a short time.

What about incoming only?

Also, what about if I buy a phone from a store, outright. Someone steals the
phone straight away, and starts using it.

How can I prove that I have the right to block it?

> > You cannot prove, who owns a phone.
>
> Wrong, as always. Have fun explaining how come the cops can do that
> with stolen property, you silly little pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit
> child.

The cops can only go off who made the claim. What if there is a counter
claim?

How can a CSR of any telco, prove that someone "owns" a phone?

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Michael wrote:
> > > I assume he is saying that he can get an IMEI thats never
> > > been used on the telstra system blocked by ringing telstra,
> > > but that isnt the handset that someone else got blocked on
> > > him, that he had been using and got via the trading post.
> > >
> > > This last post of his appears to be a comment on
> > > how poor Telstra's proceedures are for blocking
> > > IMEIs, saying that they dont really check at all
> > > when the IMEI has not been used on their system.
> >
> > Thank you.
> > Knowing the Telstra system like I do, an IMEI can only be blocked if
> > there is an service number attached to it.
>
> Thats also incorrect, dimwit.
>
> What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which havent
> made a call against that IMEI.
>
> Just because you, Mr CSR, cant do it in MCSHD doesnt mean it isnt done.
>
> Read your Easenet for the correct policy on IMEI blocking
>
> > The most likely way that a block has occurred in this case is that that
> > the phone has been loaned out to someone who has placed their own sim
> > card in it, made some calls, given the phone back, and later on calls
> > up customer service from another service and does the dirty trick.
>
> Incorrect.

Give us all the possible scenarios oracle. Mine was just one
possibility. Enlighten us all wise and learned one.
> >

Michael <[email protected]> wrote

>>>> The carrier would look to see that their account/sim
>>>> has never been associated with that phone and thus
>>>> no relationship exists = no block. Get my point?

>>> Unfortunately most IT systems cannot
>>> even do what you suggest, very easily.

>> Then its about time that the telco got a good kicking and
>> was forced to fix the system, as the OP originally said.

> Nothing needs fixing because nothing is wrong

Wrong, as always.

> You just cant prove, to any degree of reliability, that you
> (man who owns service), has the right to block said IMEI

Wrong, as always.

And even if you couldnt, and you can, telstra cant stonewall
when an IMEI has been blocked maliciously by someone
who had no right to block it in the first place.

>>> It just isnt done that way by anyone, in the real world.

>> Pig ignorant drivel.

>> No telco will block any IMEI that they get a request to block
>> without any check at all that the caller is entitled to have it blocked.

> Try it with Telstra!

I doubt even Telstra is actually that completely ****ed.

And if it is, it needs a ****ing great bomb put under it, again.

>> Even telstra aint actually THAT ****ed.

> They are all that ****ed. Telstra is, thats why this thread started.

I doubt even Telstra is actually that completely ****ed.

And if it is, it needs a ****ing great bomb put under it, again.

> Optus is, as per other post

I doubt even Optarse is actually that completely ****ed.

And if it is, it needs a ****ing great bomb put under it, again.

Michael <[email protected]> wrote

>>> How can you prove who has the right to block an IMEI?

>> Should be obvious. The individual who is calling
>> to get the IMEI blocked should be able to show
>> that it has used that IMEI for more than a short time.

> Ok, good. Now we are talking, Roddles.

Wrong again. In your case its desperately
pig ignorantly wanking, as always.

> Ok. My phone's broken. You lend me yours.
> I use it for a week, and give it back.

> So then I call to have it blocked, as your mindless
> lines in UseNet are starting to make me cry.

> My question:
> - How do YOU prove, that you have
> the right to have it unblocked?

Some proof of purchase etc, ****wit.

>>>>> There is no way to "prove" who owns a handset at any one time

>>>> There are plenty of ways of proving who has the right to block an
>>>> IMEI.

>>> How so? Name them.

>> Just did.

> You gave one good example, Ive given you my reply.

And it was you usual pig ignorant steaming turd.

>>> Case study: The handset I am currently using is not
>>> the one I use with my number. The handset my sister
>>> is using, is on a service which is not in her name.

>> Irrelevant if its been used with that sim for more than a short time.

> What about incoming only?

Some proof of purchase etc, ****wit.

> Also, what about if I buy a phone from a store, outright.
> Someone steals the phone straight away, and starts using it.

> How can I prove that I have the right to block it?

Some proof of purchase etc, ****wit.

>>> You cannot prove, who owns a phone.

>> Wrong, as always. Have fun explaining how come
>> the cops can do that with stolen property, you silly
>> little pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> The cops can only go off who made the claim.

Wrong, as always.

> What if there is a counter claim?

They request some evidence to support the claim, stupid.

> How can a CSR of any telco, prove that someone "owns" a phone?

Its been used by that individual for more than a short time, ****wit.

> What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which havent
> made a call against that IMEI.

Will the NBC block an imei on this scenario? you buy a handset from a
bloke in a pub, who even gives you a recipt. a day later your new phone
is stolen...you ring up a telco to block the imei, even though you
haven't used an active sim in it...can it be blocked by you
successfully? if so, on what grounds would NBC allow it to be blocked?

> Just because you, Mr CSR, cant do it in MCSHD doesnt mean it isnt done.

> Read your Easenet for the correct policy on IMEI blocking - i do it all the time via helpdesk or a template if the systems are down.


It's a weekend. What is the policy if you're so savvy on Easenet?
MCSHD - what does that stand for, and which program is it used in?

> Wrong, as always.
>
> > You just cant prove, to any degree of reliability, that you
> > (man who owns service), has the right to block said IMEI
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
> And even if you couldnt, and you can, telstra cant stonewall
> when an IMEI has been blocked maliciously by someone
> who had no right to block it in the first place.
>
> >>> It just isnt done that way by anyone, in the real world.
>
> >> Pig ignorant drivel.
>
> >> No telco will block any IMEI that they get a request to block
> >> without any check at all that the caller is entitled to have it
blocked.
>
> > Try it with Telstra!
>
> I doubt even Telstra is actually that completely ****ed.

Well it is, give me an old IMEI of yours, Roddles.

I'll block it for you, as proof.

"Spokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which
havent
> > made a call against that IMEI.
>
> Will the NBC block an imei on this scenario? you buy a handset from a
> bloke in a pub, who even gives you a recipt. a day later your new phone
> is stolen...you ring up a telco to block the imei, even though you
> haven't used an active sim in it...can it be blocked by you
> successfully? if so, on what grounds would NBC allow it to be blocked?

Because you asked for it to be blocked.

> > Just because you, Mr CSR, cant do it in MCSHD doesnt mean it isnt done.
>
> > Read your Easenet for the correct policy on IMEI blocking - i do it all
the time via helpdesk or a template if the systems are down.
>
>
> It's a weekend. What is the policy if you're so savvy on Easenet?
> MCSHD - what does that stand for, and which program is it used in?

Trying thinking about all of the programs you load each day to do your job
>

Michael <[email protected]> wrote

>> Wrong, as always.

>>> You just cant prove, to any degree of reliability, that you
>>> (man who owns service), has the right to block said IMEI

>> Wrong, as always.

>> And even if you couldnt, and you can, telstra cant stonewall
>> when an IMEI has been blocked maliciously by someone
>> who had no right to block it in the first place.

>>>>> It just isnt done that way by anyone, in the real world.

>>>> Pig ignorant drivel.

>>>> No telco will block any IMEI that they get a request to block
>>>> without any check at all that the caller is entitled to have it
>>>> blocked.

>>> Try it with Telstra!

>> I doubt even Telstra is actually that completely ****ed.

> Well it is, give me an old IMEI of yours, Roddles.

> I'll block it for you, as proof.

Then its time one hell of a bomb was put under Telstra by the TIO.

In spades if they refuse to unblock an IMEI thats been maliciously blocked.

"Spokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>> What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which
>> havent
>> made a call against that IMEI.
>
> Will the NBC block an imei on this scenario? you buy a handset from a
> bloke in a pub, who even gives you a recipt. a day later your new
> phone is stolen...you ring up a telco to block the imei, even though
> you haven't used an active sim in it...can it be blocked by you
> successfully? if so, on what grounds would NBC allow it to be blocked?
>
>> Just because you, Mr CSR, cant do it in MCSHD doesnt mean it isnt
>> done.
>
>> Read your Easenet for the correct policy on IMEI blocking - i do it
>> all the time via helpdesk or a template if the systems are down.
>
>
> It's a weekend. What is the policy if you're so savvy on Easenet?
> MCSHD - what does that stand for,

IIRC it's Mobilenet Customer Service HelpDesk, commonly known as Helpdesk.

> and which program is it used in?

It is a program in its own right.



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Kwyj

Michael wrote:
> "Spokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > > What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which
> havent
> > > made a call against that IMEI.
> >
> > Will the NBC block an imei on this scenario? you buy a handset from a
> > bloke in a pub, who even gives you a recipt. a day later your new phone
> > is stolen...you ring up a telco to block the imei, even though you
> > haven't used an active sim in it...can it be blocked by you
> > successfully? if so, on what grounds would NBC allow it to be blocked?
>
> Because you asked for it to be blocked.
>
> > > Just because you, Mr CSR, cant do it in MCSHD doesnt mean it isnt done.
> >
> > > Read your Easenet for the correct policy on IMEI blocking - i do it all
> the time via helpdesk or a template if the systems are down.
> >
> >
> > It's a weekend. What is the policy if you're so savvy on Easenet?
> > MCSHD - what does that stand for, and which program is it used in?
>
> Trying thinking about all of the programs you load each day to do your job

thanks kwyjibo for the clarification - we only call the program
Helpdesk in our unpretentious workplace.
Michael ...what's the policy again on imei blocking?

"Spokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Michael wrote:
>> "Spokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services
>>>> which havent made a call against that IMEI.
>>>
>>> Will the NBC block an imei on this scenario? you buy a handset from
>>> a bloke in a pub, who even gives you a recipt. a day later your new
>>> phone is stolen...you ring up a telco to block the imei, even
>>> though you haven't used an active sim in it...can it be blocked by
>>> you successfully? if so, on what grounds would NBC allow it to be
>>> blocked?
>>
>> Because you asked for it to be blocked.
>>
>>>> Just because you, Mr CSR, cant do it in MCSHD doesnt mean it isnt
>>>> done.
>>>
>>>> Read your Easenet for the correct policy on IMEI blocking - i do
>>>> it all
>> the time via helpdesk or a template if the systems are down.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a weekend. What is the policy if you're so savvy on Easenet?
>>> MCSHD - what does that stand for, and which program is it used in?
>>
>> Trying thinking about all of the programs you load each day to do
>> your job
>
> thanks kwyjibo for the clarification - we only call the program
> Helpdesk in our unpretentious workplace.

So do the team of software developers who maintain it, so don't feel too
bad. Michael is just resorting to his usual 'baffle them with bull****'
tactic because he knows he's incapable of "dazzling us with brilliance".

AFAIK, the only place it's referred to by the MCSHD acronym is in Solve
Central (the IT change and problem management system)


> Michael ...what's the policy again on imei blocking?

--
Kwyj

"marika" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Bought my 6310i (still have receipt) from the original owner about
> > 6months ago from Trading Post.
>
> I noticed that yo9u are not referring to the receipt as the contract.

Because it isnt

If you buy a phone on contract, you get a contract from the carrier or SP,
and a receipt from the store.

Two totally diff. things

"Spokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Michael wrote:
> > "Spokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > > What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which
> > havent
> > > > made a call against that IMEI.
> > >
> > > Will the NBC block an imei on this scenario? you buy a handset from a
> > > bloke in a pub, who even gives you a recipt. a day later your new
phone
> > > is stolen...you ring up a telco to block the imei, even though you
> > > haven't used an active sim in it...can it be blocked by you
> > > successfully? if so, on what grounds would NBC allow it to be blocked?
> >
> > Because you asked for it to be blocked.
> >
> > > > Just because you, Mr CSR, cant do it in MCSHD doesnt mean it isnt
done.
> > >
> > > > Read your Easenet for the correct policy on IMEI blocking - i do it
all
> > the time via helpdesk or a template if the systems are down.
> > >
> > >
> > > It's a weekend. What is the policy if you're so savvy on Easenet?
> > > MCSHD - what does that stand for, and which program is it used in?
> >
> > Trying thinking about all of the programs you load each day to do your
job
>
> thanks kwyjibo for the clarification - we only call the program
> Helpdesk in our unpretentious workplace.
> Michael ...what's the policy again on imei blocking?

read your easenet
>

> So do the team of software developers who maintain it, so don't feel too
> bad. Michael is just resorting to his usual 'baffle them with bull****'
> tactic because he knows he's incapable of "dazzling us with brilliance".
>
> AFAIK, the only place it's referred to by the MCSHD acronym is in Solve
> Central (the IT change and problem management system)

Rubbish, its referred to as MCSHD in lots of other places

Michael wrote:
> "Spokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Michael wrote:
> > > "Spokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which
> > > havent
> > > > > made a call against that IMEI.
> > > >
> > > > Will the NBC block an imei on this scenario? you buy a handset from a
> > > > bloke in a pub, who even gives you a recipt. a day later your new
> phone
> > > > is stolen...you ring up a telco to block the imei, even though you
> > > > haven't used an active sim in it...can it be blocked by you
> > > > successfully? if so, on what grounds would NBC allow it to be blocked?
> > >
> > > Because you asked for it to be blocked.
> > >
> > > > > Just because you, Mr CSR, cant do it in MCSHD doesnt mean it isnt
> done.
> > > >
> > > > > Read your Easenet for the correct policy on IMEI blocking - i do it
> all
> > > the time via helpdesk or a template if the systems are down.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's a weekend. What is the policy if you're so savvy on Easenet?
> > > > MCSHD - what does that stand for, and which program is it used in?
> > >
> > > Trying thinking about all of the programs you load each day to do your
> job
> >
> > thanks kwyjibo for the clarification - we only call the program
> > Helpdesk in our unpretentious workplace.
> > Michael ...what's the policy again on imei blocking?
>
> read your easenet

You ignorant dimwit...I don't think you have even easenet on your pc.

Anyway, without having easenet handy from the home pc, a quick look at
the www.mindyourmobile.com (or www.amta.org.au)is very useful as far as
responsibilties, stats and facts on the matter.

in FAQs is this question:

How will carriers prevent unauthorised people mischievously reporting a
phone stolen and having it disconnected?
Where a mobile carrier identifies a handset as lost or stolen, either
by internal loss or customer report, only those IMEI's blocked on
their own network are to be sent by the mobile carrier to the AMTA's
IMEI central database. GSM network carriers must put in place adequate
processes to ensure the integrity of the information that is provided
to the central database. As a minimum this will involve:

Process to validate identity of the customer
Validation of IMEI based upon recent customer usage history
Validation of IMEI based upon the mobile carrier's own inventory
records

As to what Rod was alluding to before: if any telco CSR doesn't do the
proper checks as stated above, an innocent customer can be denied use
of their mobile. If there's been a stuff up, and the telco is not
understanding or co-operative, a third party, usually the TIO, may get
involved to sort it out.
One thing our original poster didn't say is whether he did an IMEI
check himself prior to purchase by calling 1900 964 634.

have a nice day, thanks for calling.