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- 04-01-2006, 06:56 AM #1Jack MitchellGuest
Will the new Telstra network use a SIM card in the phones when they come out
or will they have an ESN?
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- 04-01-2006, 07:10 AM #2AlbinusGuest
Re: new Telstra network
Jack Mitchell wrote:
> Will the new Telstra network use a SIM card in the phones when they come out
> or will they have an ESN?
>
>
More than likely a USIM.
- 04-01-2006, 07:12 AM #3Jonathan WilsonGuest
Re: new Telstra network
> Will the new Telstra network use a SIM card in the phones when they come out
> or will they have an ESN?
It is likely that the telstra UMTS 3G network will use the same USIM
technology that existing UMTS phones use. To do otherwise would mean
manufacturers would have to modify their phones to accomodate telstra. (and
unlike, say, Verizon Mobile or NTT DoCoMo, Telstra doesnt have enough push
with the manufacturers to get that kind of change done)
- 04-01-2006, 07:20 AM #4KBGuest
Re: new Telstra network
Jack Mitchell wrote:
> Will the new Telstra network use a SIM card in the phones when they come out
> or will they have an ESN?
>
The 850MHz 3GSM network will have identical features to the existing
3GSM networks run by Hutchison/Telstra/Optus/Vodafone in the 2100MHz band.
Technically it will be the same 'network' as used now but it will
operate additionally on the lower 850MHz band (mainly for coverage in
regional and rural areas).
As such it will use the same USIMs currently used with the 3GSM
networks. It's really no different to current 2G GSM phones that operate
in both 900 and 1800 MHz bands here in oz.
You don't call the 1800MHz GSM band used by Telstra in high density
areas a different 'network', it's the same GSM network but on a
different operating frequency band. Likewise, the 850MHz 3GSM band will
operate in conjunction with the existing 2100MHz band.
Get it?
- 04-01-2006, 07:27 AM #5KBGuest
Re: new Telstra network
Jonathan Wilson wrote:
>> Will the new Telstra network use a SIM card in the phones when they
>> come out or will they have an ESN?
> It is likely that the telstra UMTS 3G network will use the same USIM
> technology that existing UMTS phones use. To do otherwise would mean
> manufacturers would have to modify their phones to accomodate telstra.
> (and unlike, say, Verizon Mobile or NTT DoCoMo, Telstra doesnt have
> enough push with the manufacturers to get that kind of change done)
There is no difference in the proposed 850MHz band rollout of the 3GSM
network to the existing 2100MHz 3GSM network jointly operated by
Hutchison and Telstra. It's just on a different band with optional HSDPA
features.
- 04-02-2006, 03:05 AM #6Graeme WilloxGuest
Re: new Telstra network
KB wrote:
> Jack Mitchell wrote:
>
>> Will the new Telstra network use a SIM card in the phones when they
>> come out or will they have an ESN?
>
>
> The 850MHz 3GSM network will have identical features to the existing
> 3GSM networks run by Hutchison/Telstra/Optus/Vodafone in the 2100MHz band.
> Technically it will be the same 'network' as used now but it will
> operate additionally on the lower 850MHz band (mainly for coverage in
> regional and rural areas).
> As such it will use the same USIMs currently used with the 3GSM
> networks. It's really no different to current 2G GSM phones that operate
> in both 900 and 1800 MHz bands here in oz.
>
> You don't call the 1800MHz GSM band used by Telstra in high density
> areas a different 'network', it's the same GSM network but on a
> different operating frequency band. Likewise, the 850MHz 3GSM band will
> operate in conjunction with the existing 2100MHz band.
>
> Get it?
I'm currently on CDMA for its rural coverage. Many people in rural and
remote areas have high gain antennas for use on their CDMA services.
I'm guessing that these won't work efficiently on 2100 mhz as well. I'm
also assuming that if you have a handset which works on the new 3G band,
it'll work on 850 mhz in regional and rural areas, and 2100 mhz in
current 3G areas. If so, then people are also going to be up for the
cost of a new antenna
One of the criteria I also had when I bought my CDMA phone was that I
wanted it to have a proper antenna connection, not an induction system.
Do many (or any) current 3G handsets have direct antenna connections?
- 04-02-2006, 06:05 AM #7AlbinusGuest
Re: new Telstra network
Graeme Willox wrote:
> I'm currently on CDMA for its rural coverage. Many people in rural and
> remote areas have high gain antennas for use on their CDMA services. I'm
> guessing that these won't work efficiently on 2100 mhz as well. I'm
> also assuming that if you have a handset which works on the new 3G band,
> it'll work on 850 mhz in regional and rural areas, and 2100 mhz in
> current 3G areas. If so, then people are also going to be up for the
> cost of a new antenna
An antenna for CDMA880 should work just fine with UMTS850, in my
experience I've used CDMA880 and GSM900 antennas interchangably and had
no issues with signal (the difference is in the order of a couple of
percent when I tested). In urban areas a UMTS2100 antenna would be
unnecessary due to the high base station concentration, even tonight I
did some testing with a handheld UMTS2100 handset on Optus and didn't
revert to GSM900 once traversing the fringe suburbs, with a call going
most of the way. I don't think it's going to be much of an issue in that
regard.
- 04-02-2006, 06:45 PM #8Tsunami AustraliaGuest
Re: new Telstra network
Graeme, CDMA antennas should work fine with the 3G service when fully
implemented. I just last week got a broomstick for my car due to the ****ty
reception in areas around here and found it advertised as GSM/CDMA/3G, think
it was from Cellink. But as the story supposedly goes, CDMA is being torn
down due to 3G requiring its frequencies. I have not seen which frequencies
and bandwidth exactly is used though so cannot deny or confirm this.
However, for antenna connections, I think you could assume they would be
using something similar to the current Nokia setup, where the MBC15S is the
cradle used to hold most (maybe all) pop port phones and the AXF15S sits
under the cradle and has an inductance pickup off the phone antenna (like
onglass antennas). I'm using Nokia for the example here as I'm not sure what
other breeds are doing for antenna connections. The thing to remember now is
that there is more people in the city than the country and posh (not
suggesting in any way that all city people are in posh areas) people with a
tower every few blocks apart don't want or need external antenna connector
options on their phones, and since they are a fair bulk of the population,
and the nonposh city folk also make a large portion of the population there
is not much call for the facility. I don't like this info myself but would
only be fooling myself to believe otherwise, which is probably why I am
still using a prehistoric Hyundai Gulliver (HGC120E).
"Graeme Willox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> KB wrote:
>> Jack Mitchell wrote:
>>
>>> Will the new Telstra network use a SIM card in the phones when they come
>>> out or will they have an ESN?
>>
>>
>> The 850MHz 3GSM network will have identical features to the existing 3GSM
>> networks run by Hutchison/Telstra/Optus/Vodafone in the 2100MHz band.
>> Technically it will be the same 'network' as used now but it will operate
>> additionally on the lower 850MHz band (mainly for coverage in regional
>> and rural areas).
>> As such it will use the same USIMs currently used with the 3GSM
>> networks. It's really no different to current 2G GSM phones that operate
>> in both 900 and 1800 MHz bands here in oz.
>>
>> You don't call the 1800MHz GSM band used by Telstra in high density areas
>> a different 'network', it's the same GSM network but on a different
>> operating frequency band. Likewise, the 850MHz 3GSM band will operate in
>> conjunction with the existing 2100MHz band.
>>
>> Get it?
>
> I'm currently on CDMA for its rural coverage. Many people in rural and
> remote areas have high gain antennas for use on their CDMA services. I'm
> guessing that these won't work efficiently on 2100 mhz as well. I'm also
> assuming that if you have a handset which works on the new 3G band, it'll
> work on 850 mhz in regional and rural areas, and 2100 mhz in current 3G
> areas. If so, then people are also going to be up for the cost of a new
> antenna
>
> One of the criteria I also had when I bought my CDMA phone was that I
> wanted it to have a proper antenna connection, not an induction system. Do
> many (or any) current 3G handsets have direct antenna connections?
- 04-10-2006, 04:07 AM #9MichaelGuest
Re: new Telstra network
> > Get it?
>
> I'm currently on CDMA for its rural coverage. Many people in rural and
> remote areas have high gain antennas for use on their CDMA services.
> I'm guessing that these won't work efficiently on 2100 mhz as well. I'm
> also assuming that if you have a handset which works on the new 3G band,
> it'll work on 850 mhz in regional and rural areas, and 2100 mhz in
> current 3G areas. If so, then people are also going to be up for the
> cost of a new antenna
Big bloody whoop, $40 in 2008.
- 04-10-2006, 10:45 PM #10Graeme WilloxGuest
Re: new Telstra network
Michael wrote:
>>> Get it?
>> I'm currently on CDMA for its rural coverage. Many people in rural and
>> remote areas have high gain antennas for use on their CDMA services.
>> I'm guessing that these won't work efficiently on 2100 mhz as well. I'm
>> also assuming that if you have a handset which works on the new 3G band,
>> it'll work on 850 mhz in regional and rural areas, and 2100 mhz in
>> current 3G areas. If so, then people are also going to be up for the
>> cost of a new antenna
>
> Big bloody whoop, $40 in 2008.
>
>
I don't know where you can buy them for that. Mine cost more than 3
times that amount.
- 04-14-2006, 02:42 AM #11MichaelGuest
Re: new Telstra network
"Graeme Willox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote:
> >>> Get it?
> >> I'm currently on CDMA for its rural coverage. Many people in rural and
> >> remote areas have high gain antennas for use on their CDMA services.
> >> I'm guessing that these won't work efficiently on 2100 mhz as well.
I'm
> >> also assuming that if you have a handset which works on the new 3G
band,
> >> it'll work on 850 mhz in regional and rural areas, and 2100 mhz in
> >> current 3G areas. If so, then people are also going to be up for the
> >> cost of a new antenna
> >
> > Big bloody whoop, $40 in 2008.
> >
> >
>
> I don't know where you can buy them for that. Mine cost more than 3
> times that amount.
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