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  1. #1
    Kralizec Craig
    Guest
    "thegoons" <[email protected]> writes:

    >Telstra in cut-price war with net rivals - SMH 8 April 06
    > a.. THOUSANDS of Telstra customers will be able to make as many local and
    >long-distance calls as they want for a monthly fee of $89.90, as the company
    >fights off the threat of increasingly popular internet phone services.
    >Under siege from the cut-price internet calls, Telstra will send a letter to
    >selected customers next week, telling them about the "all you can eat"
    >offer. It also includes a 50 cent cap on calls to Telstra mobiles for up to
    >20 minutes, and customers will not have to sign up for a one or two-year
    >contract.


    >It is seen as a pre-emptive strike against companies including Ninemsn and
    >Yahoo!7, which are planning to launch voice-over-internet-protocol (VOIP)
    >services later this year. Telstra plans to roll out its own VOIP service and
    >will revamp the home phone so it can take video calls.


    No doubt that's connected to the extra abilities of the new exchange
    equipment that's replacing a lot of the older gear? It won't be possible to
    do anything like that (just like it's not possible to provide ADSL) with
    older equipment, especially when coupled with very large distances between
    customer premises and their nearest exchange.

    >Teltra's fixed-line revenue slumped 7 per cent to $3.8 billion in the six
    >months to December. The offer is a significant shift in Telstra's strategy
    >for hanging onto customers. It is the first time it has offered
    >subscription-pricing - a fixed fee regardless of the volume or length of
    >calls.


    Be careful because this will give Telstra the ability to (re)introduce the
    concept of timed local calls based on the presumption of paying a flat fee
    for as many 'free' calls in your local immediate vicinity (basically your
    exchange area and nothing else), with any calls made outside that but to
    places inside the existing areas where free local calls can currently be
    made getting time-charged, and long-distance being the same as it is now.

    We really do NOT want that in Australia with fixed-line services. If you
    want time-charging, get a cellphone. 8-)

    >Internet telephony took off in Europe and the US after a company called
    >Skype launched in Luxembourg four years ago, allowing people to talk online.
    >About 50 million people now use Skype, but it spawned an industry, including
    >Australian operators such as Engin and Freshtel, which offer free calls
    >between their own customers anywhere and 10 cent untimed local and national
    >calls. Engin charges 3.5 cents a minute to Britain on a $9.95-a-month plan,
    >while Freshtel costs 6.9 cents a minute or 3.9 cents on a $5.95-a-month
    >plan.


    And the call quality is still crap unless you've got a higher-speed DSL
    connection. It doesn't work at all with dial-up and barely with ISDN or
    cable or lower-speed DSL.

    >Telstra is prepared to risk losing revenue from long-distance calls as it
    >strives to keep a grip on its customers. It has already interviewed 22,000
    >customers about subscription pricing products.


    Well when they keep pushing up fixed-line costs, it's no wonder. People dump
    Telstra for long-distance and Telstra loses a key part of it's fixed-line
    revenue base as a result.

    >Telstra believes if customers use its fixed-line service, they are more
    >likely to buy its mobiles or sign up to its broadband.


    *cough* I'd never, ever use Telstra for my cellphones, and you almost have
    no choice but to use Telstra for broadband because if you don't use BigPond,
    just about every reseller is using Telstra's DSLAM's so it's just the same
    as Bigpond with a different name.

    Craig.
    --
    SUN RIPENED KERNELS - Surplus Sun Microsystems Equipment, Parts + Accessories
    Waterfall, NSW, Australia - Operated by Craig Dewick - Founded in 1996
    Main site: www.sunrk.com.au - Ebay Shop: www.ebayshops.com.au/sunripenedkernels
    Ph: 02-9520-2547 (int. +612) - Fax: gone - Mobile: 04-2163-0547 (int. +614)



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  2. #2
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP

    Kralizec Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "thegoons" <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    >> Telstra in cut-price war with net rivals - SMH 8 April 06
    >> a.. THOUSANDS of Telstra customers will be able to make as many
    >> local and long-distance calls as they want for a monthly fee of
    >> $89.90, as the company fights off the threat of increasingly popular
    >> internet phone services. Under siege from the cut-price internet
    >> calls, Telstra will send a letter to selected customers next week,
    >> telling them about the "all you can eat" offer. It also includes a
    >> 50 cent cap on calls to Telstra mobiles for up to 20 minutes, and
    >> customers will not have to sign up for a one or two-year contract.

    >
    >> It is seen as a pre-emptive strike against companies including
    >> Ninemsn and Yahoo!7, which are planning to launch
    >> voice-over-internet-protocol (VOIP) services later this year.
    >> Telstra plans to roll out its own VOIP service and will revamp the
    >> home phone so it can take video calls.

    >
    > No doubt that's connected to the extra abilities of the new exchange
    > equipment that's replacing a lot of the older gear? It won't be
    > possible to do anything like that (just like it's not possible to
    > provide ADSL) with older equipment, especially when coupled with very
    > large distances between customer premises and their nearest exchange.


    Not a ****ing clue, as always.

    >> Teltra's fixed-line revenue slumped 7 per cent to $3.8 billion in
    >> the six months to December. The offer is a significant shift in
    >> Telstra's strategy for hanging onto customers. It is the first time
    >> it has offered subscription-pricing - a fixed fee regardless of the
    >> volume or length of calls.


    > Be careful because this will give Telstra the ability
    > to (re)introduce the concept of timed local calls


    Not even possible unless its competitive with untime local calls, legally.

    > based on the presumption of paying a flat fee for as many 'free' calls
    > in your local immediate vicinity (basically your exchange area and
    > nothing else), with any calls made outside that but to places inside
    > the existing areas where free local calls can currently be made
    > getting time-charged, and long-distance being the same as it is now.


    Utterly silly conspiracy theory.

    > We really do NOT want that in Australia with fixed-line services.


    Its illegal with residential services, cretin.

    > If you want time-charging, get a cellphone. 8-)


    Wota ****ing wanker.

    >> Internet telephony took off in Europe and the US after a company
    >> called Skype launched in Luxembourg four years ago, allowing people
    >> to talk online. About 50 million people now use Skype, but it
    >> spawned an industry, including Australian operators such as Engin
    >> and Freshtel, which offer free calls between their own customers
    >> anywhere and 10 cent untimed local and national calls. Engin charges
    >> 3.5 cents a minute to Britain on a $9.95-a-month plan, while
    >> Freshtel costs 6.9 cents a minute or 3.9 cents on a $5.95-a-month
    >> plan.


    > And the call quality is still crap unless you've got a higher-speed
    > DSL connection. It doesn't work at all with dial-up and barely with
    > ISDN or cable or lower-speed DSL.


    Not a ****ing clue, as always.

    >> Telstra is prepared to risk losing revenue from long-distance
    >> calls as it strives to keep a grip on its customers. It has already
    >> interviewed 22,000 customers about subscription pricing products.


    > Well when they keep pushing up fixed-line costs, it's no
    > wonder. People dump Telstra for long-distance and Telstra
    > loses a key part of it's fixed-line revenue base as a result.


    >> Telstra believes if customers use its fixed-line service, they are
    >> more likely to buy its mobiles or sign up to its broadband.


    > *cough* I'd never, ever use Telstra for my cellphones, and you almost
    > have no choice but to use Telstra for broadband because if you don't
    > use BigPond, just about every reseller is using Telstra's DSLAM's


    Not a ****ing clue, as always.

    > so it's just the same as Bigpond with a different name.


    Not a ****ing clue, as always.






  3. #3
    SmakDaddy
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP

    >> And the call quality is still crap unless you've got a higher-speed
    >> DSL connection. It doesn't work at all with dial-up and barely with
    >> ISDN or cable or lower-speed DSL.

    >
    > Not a ****ing clue, as always.
    >


    I'll second that Rod, the MINIMUM telstra are able to provide is 2400
    board, there is a government initiative to try and provide 19.6, but it is
    not an enforced requirement. A 30 channel, that is to say, can provide 30
    POTS services (+2 signalling channels) at one time, RCM (fairly aged, but
    still a lot of them about) uses a 2Mbit optical barer. This means even the
    SLOWEST form of ADSL, 256/64, or the throttled 64/64 that some ISPs provide
    when exceeding download limits is still more than enough to support a
    similar speed voice link, even with packet overheads. I have no idea what
    the signalling channels require as far as bandwidth goes, but even if you
    ignore them totally, you get 2000000/30=66666.7, divided by 2 for an even
    up and down stream, is 33333.3, which is much less than 64k.

    My 2c worth, anyway.





  4. #4
    Dean Collins
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP

    lol - they will need to try a lot harder than $89.80 a month.

    Here in the USA the monthly fixed all you can eat (and it includes both
    landline and mobile calls is $14.99 a month).

    You can even get fixed price all you can eat services from mobile phones
    these days (around $45) unlimited calls to all mobile and all landlines
    across the USA (also have a 3g data all you can eat component).

    Cheers,
    Dean
    "Kralizec Craig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "thegoons" <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    >>Telstra in cut-price war with net rivals - SMH 8 April 06
    >> a.. THOUSANDS of Telstra customers will be able to make as many local
    >> and
    >>long-distance calls as they want for a monthly fee of $89.90, as the
    >>company
    >>fights off the threat of increasingly popular internet phone services.
    >>Under siege from the cut-price internet calls, Telstra will send a letter
    >>to
    >>selected customers next week, telling them about the "all you can eat"
    >>offer. It also includes a 50 cent cap on calls to Telstra mobiles for up
    >>to
    >>20 minutes, and customers will not have to sign up for a one or two-year
    >>contract.

    >
    >>It is seen as a pre-emptive strike against companies including Ninemsn and
    >>Yahoo!7, which are planning to launch voice-over-internet-protocol (VOIP)
    >>services later this year. Telstra plans to roll out its own VOIP service
    >>and
    >>will revamp the home phone so it can take video calls.

    >
    > No doubt that's connected to the extra abilities of the new exchange
    > equipment that's replacing a lot of the older gear? It won't be possible
    > to
    > do anything like that (just like it's not possible to provide ADSL) with
    > older equipment, especially when coupled with very large distances between
    > customer premises and their nearest exchange.
    >
    >>Teltra's fixed-line revenue slumped 7 per cent to $3.8 billion in the six
    >>months to December. The offer is a significant shift in Telstra's strategy
    >>for hanging onto customers. It is the first time it has offered
    >>subscription-pricing - a fixed fee regardless of the volume or length of
    >>calls.

    >
    > Be careful because this will give Telstra the ability to (re)introduce the
    > concept of timed local calls based on the presumption of paying a flat fee
    > for as many 'free' calls in your local immediate vicinity (basically your
    > exchange area and nothing else), with any calls made outside that but to
    > places inside the existing areas where free local calls can currently be
    > made getting time-charged, and long-distance being the same as it is now.
    >
    > We really do NOT want that in Australia with fixed-line services. If you
    > want time-charging, get a cellphone. 8-)
    >
    >>Internet telephony took off in Europe and the US after a company called
    >>Skype launched in Luxembourg four years ago, allowing people to talk
    >>online.
    >>About 50 million people now use Skype, but it spawned an industry,
    >>including
    >>Australian operators such as Engin and Freshtel, which offer free calls
    >>between their own customers anywhere and 10 cent untimed local and
    >>national
    >>calls. Engin charges 3.5 cents a minute to Britain on a $9.95-a-month
    >>plan,
    >>while Freshtel costs 6.9 cents a minute or 3.9 cents on a $5.95-a-month
    >>plan.

    >
    > And the call quality is still crap unless you've got a higher-speed DSL
    > connection. It doesn't work at all with dial-up and barely with ISDN or
    > cable or lower-speed DSL.
    >
    >>Telstra is prepared to risk losing revenue from long-distance calls as it
    >>strives to keep a grip on its customers. It has already interviewed 22,000
    >>customers about subscription pricing products.

    >
    > Well when they keep pushing up fixed-line costs, it's no wonder. People
    > dump
    > Telstra for long-distance and Telstra loses a key part of it's fixed-line
    > revenue base as a result.
    >
    >>Telstra believes if customers use its fixed-line service, they are more
    >>likely to buy its mobiles or sign up to its broadband.

    >
    > *cough* I'd never, ever use Telstra for my cellphones, and you almost have
    > no choice but to use Telstra for broadband because if you don't use
    > BigPond,
    > just about every reseller is using Telstra's DSLAM's so it's just the same
    > as Bigpond with a different name.
    >
    > Craig.
    > --
    > SUN RIPENED KERNELS - Surplus Sun Microsystems Equipment, Parts +
    > Accessories
    > Waterfall, NSW, Australia - Operated by Craig Dewick - Founded in 1996
    > Main site: www.sunrk.com.au - Ebay Shop:
    > www.ebayshops.com.au/sunripenedkernels
    > Ph: 02-9520-2547 (int. +612) - Fax: gone - Mobile: 04-2163-0547 (int.
    > +614)






  5. #5
    Andy
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP

    On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:55:57 +0000 (UTC), Kralizec Craig
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"thegoons" <[email protected]> writes:

    [ ~ ]
    >
    >>Telstra believes if customers use its fixed-line service, they are more
    >>likely to buy its mobiles or sign up to its broadband.

    >
    >*cough* I'd never, ever use Telstra for my cellphones,


    Can I ask why?

    I've only ever had cell phone connections with Optus and Telstra and
    wouldn't go back to Optus' mobile service unless I had no other option
    available to me.

    No end of trouble with drop outs that they weren't interested in when
    I'd complain, often got "network unavailable due to congestion" (or
    similar) messages during their stupid "free time" hours and several
    billing problems which were a pain in the arse to get them to sort out
    while I was with them.

    Since I switched to Telstra, I've not had a single drop out, bills
    have always been as expected and have personally found their service
    to be great. Lots of people seem to complain about Telstra's mobile
    service, but I've found it great for the last few years that I've been
    with them so curious about your statement up there..

    Cheers...

    Andy
    [ ~ ]



  6. #6
    Brad
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP

    On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:55:57 +0000, Kralizec Craig wrote:

    >
    > And the call quality is still crap unless you've got a higher-speed DSL
    > connection. It doesn't work at all with dial-up and barely with ISDN or
    > cable or lower-speed DSL.


    Am I missing something here? VoIP requires as little as 8kb/sec using the
    right codec...



    > just about every reseller is using Telstra's DSLAM's so it's just the same
    > as Bigpond with a different name.


    Not exactly. Most of the larger ISPs that resell telstra do so via layer2.
    layer2 is much different to reselling a layer3 service. At any rate, there
    are many ISPs installing their own equipment into the telstra exchanges
    anyway...

    Brad

    > Craig.





  7. #7
    Dean Collins
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP


    "Dean Collins" <collins_dean"spam.me.here."@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > lol - they will need to try a lot harder than $89.80 a month.
    >
    > Here in the USA the monthly fixed all you can eat (and it includes both
    > landline and mobile calls is $14.99 a month).
    >
    > You can even get fixed price all you can eat services from mobile phones
    > these days (around $45) unlimited calls to all mobile and all landlines
    > across the USA (also have a 3g data all you can eat component).
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Dean






    Now this is a creative marketing campaign...look and learn Telstra - your
    days are numbered.

    Cheers,
    Dean





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    "My Circle" enables Alltel customers to make and receive unlimited free
    calls to and from the 10 phone numbers that matter most to them at any time
    of the day. Customers on select rate plans can choose any combination of
    wireless, home and office numbers located anywhere in the U.S., regardless
    of local phone company or wireless carrier.

    "With 'My Circle,' Alltel customers can choose who they call for free - any
    number, any network," said Kevin Beebe, group president of operations for
    Alltel. "It's all about providing more value for our customers and keeping
    them in touch with the people they know and love.

    "'My Circle' is further proof that Alltel will continue to provide our
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    deliver that superior level of service by empowering consumers to customize
    their wireless experience in ways that are unique in our industry."

    "My Circle" joins an existing set of unique promises that Alltel has made to
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    Alltel customers on select rate plans of $59.95 or higher can sign up for
    "My Circle" online at alltel.com/myaccount. Once they have registered,
    customers can change their numbers online as often as they like - for free.

    New and existing customers can find out more about Alltel's exclusive "My
    Circle" feature by visiting their local Alltel retail store or by logging
    onto www.alltelcircle.com








  8. #8
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP

    Dean Collins" <collins_dean"spam.me.here.
    <collins_dean"spam.me.here."@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > "Dean Collins" <collins_dean"spam.me.here."@hotmail.com> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]...
    >> lol - they will need to try a lot harder than $89.80 a month.
    >>
    >> Here in the USA the monthly fixed all you can eat (and it includes
    >> both landline and mobile calls is $14.99 a month).
    >>
    >> You can even get fixed price all you can eat services from mobile
    >> phones these days (around $45) unlimited calls to all mobile and all
    >> landlines across the USA (also have a 3g data all you can eat
    >> component). Cheers,
    >> Dean

    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Now this is a creative marketing campaign...look and learn Telstra -
    > your days are numbered.
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Dean
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Alltel Launches 'My Circle,' Free Calls to Any Network or Number
    >
    >
    >
    > Alltel, owner and operator of America's largest wireless network,
    > announced the launch of "My Circle," an exclusive feature offered by
    > no other national wireless carrier. "My Circle" empowers customers to
    > choose who they call for free regardless of their carrier.
    >
    > "My Circle" enables Alltel customers to make and receive unlimited
    > free calls to and from the 10 phone numbers that matter most to them
    > at any time of the day. Customers on select rate plans can choose any
    > combination of wireless, home and office numbers located anywhere in
    > the U.S., regardless of local phone company or wireless carrier.
    >
    > "With 'My Circle,' Alltel customers can choose who they call for free
    > - any number, any network," said Kevin Beebe, group president of
    > operations for Alltel. "It's all about providing more value for our
    > customers and keeping them in touch with the people they know and
    > love.
    > "'My Circle' is further proof that Alltel will continue to provide our
    > customers with the best, most innovative wireless service in the
    > industry," Beebe said. "Features like Anytime Plan Changes and now
    > 'My Circle' help us deliver that superior level of service by
    > empowering consumers to customize their wireless experience in ways
    > that are unique in our industry."
    > "My Circle" joins an existing set of unique promises that Alltel has
    > made to its customers, including the flexibility to change rate plans
    > without contract extensions and a network that's so reliable that
    > customers stay connected or Alltel pays them back.
    >
    > Alltel customers on select rate plans of $59.95 or higher can sign up
    > for "My Circle" online at alltel.com/myaccount. Once they have
    > registered, customers can change their numbers online as often as
    > they like - for free.
    > New and existing customers can find out more about Alltel's exclusive
    > "My Circle" feature by visiting their local Alltel retail store or by
    > logging onto www.alltelcircle.com


    And it remains to be seen if they will just sink beneath the waves.

    They're clearly desperate.





  9. #9
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP

    > >Telstra believes if customers use its fixed-line service, they are more
    > >likely to buy its mobiles or sign up to its broadband.

    >
    > *cough* I'd never, ever use Telstra for my cellphones, and you almost have
    > no choice but to use Telstra for broadband because if you don't use

    BigPond,
    > just about every reseller is using Telstra's DSLAM's so it's just the same
    > as Bigpond with a different name.


    Not even close, anymore





  10. #10
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP


    "Dean Collins" <collins_dean"spam.me.here."@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > lol - they will need to try a lot harder than $89.80 a month.
    >
    > Here in the USA the monthly fixed all you can eat (and it includes both
    > landline and mobile calls is $14.99 a month).


    No such animal, because you dont have "mobile" calls, because the mobile
    customer pays the incoming

    Plus your "long distance" sucks

    > >>Under siege from the cut-price internet calls, Telstra will send a

    letter
    > >>to
    > >>selected customers next week, telling them about the "all you can eat"
    > >>offer. It also includes a 50 cent cap on calls to Telstra mobiles for up
    > >>to
    > >>20 minutes, and customers will not have to sign up for a one or two-year
    > >>contract.

    > >
    > >>It is seen as a pre-emptive strike against companies including Ninemsn

    and
    > >>Yahoo!7, which are planning to launch voice-over-internet-protocol

    (VOIP)
    > >>services later this year. Telstra plans to roll out its own VOIP service
    > >>and
    > >>will revamp the home phone so it can take video calls.

    > >
    > > No doubt that's connected to the extra abilities of the new exchange
    > > equipment that's replacing a lot of the older gear? It won't be possible
    > > to
    > > do anything like that (just like it's not possible to provide ADSL) with
    > > older equipment, especially when coupled with very large distances

    between
    > > customer premises and their nearest exchange.
    > >
    > >>Teltra's fixed-line revenue slumped 7 per cent to $3.8 billion in the

    six
    > >>months to December. The offer is a significant shift in Telstra's

    strategy
    > >>for hanging onto customers. It is the first time it has offered
    > >>subscription-pricing - a fixed fee regardless of the volume or length of
    > >>calls.

    > >
    > > Be careful because this will give Telstra the ability to (re)introduce

    the
    > > concept of timed local calls based on the presumption of paying a flat

    fee
    > > for as many 'free' calls in your local immediate vicinity (basically

    your
    > > exchange area and nothing else), with any calls made outside that but to
    > > places inside the existing areas where free local calls can currently be
    > > made getting time-charged, and long-distance being the same as it is

    now.
    > >
    > > We really do NOT want that in Australia with fixed-line services. If you
    > > want time-charging, get a cellphone. 8-)
    > >
    > >>Internet telephony took off in Europe and the US after a company called
    > >>Skype launched in Luxembourg four years ago, allowing people to talk
    > >>online.
    > >>About 50 million people now use Skype, but it spawned an industry,
    > >>including
    > >>Australian operators such as Engin and Freshtel, which offer free calls
    > >>between their own customers anywhere and 10 cent untimed local and
    > >>national
    > >>calls. Engin charges 3.5 cents a minute to Britain on a $9.95-a-month
    > >>plan,
    > >>while Freshtel costs 6.9 cents a minute or 3.9 cents on a $5.95-a-month
    > >>plan.

    > >
    > > And the call quality is still crap unless you've got a higher-speed DSL
    > > connection. It doesn't work at all with dial-up and barely with ISDN or
    > > cable or lower-speed DSL.
    > >
    > >>Telstra is prepared to risk losing revenue from long-distance calls as

    it
    > >>strives to keep a grip on its customers. It has already interviewed

    22,000
    > >>customers about subscription pricing products.

    > >
    > > Well when they keep pushing up fixed-line costs, it's no wonder. People
    > > dump
    > > Telstra for long-distance and Telstra loses a key part of it's

    fixed-line
    > > revenue base as a result.
    > >
    > >>Telstra believes if customers use its fixed-line service, they are more
    > >>likely to buy its mobiles or sign up to its broadband.

    > >
    > > *cough* I'd never, ever use Telstra for my cellphones, and you almost

    have
    > > no choice but to use Telstra for broadband because if you don't use
    > > BigPond,
    > > just about every reseller is using Telstra's DSLAM's so it's just the

    same
    > > as Bigpond with a different name.
    > >
    > > Craig.
    > > --
    > > SUN RIPENED KERNELS - Surplus Sun Microsystems Equipment, Parts +
    > > Accessories
    > > Waterfall, NSW, Australia - Operated by Craig Dewick - Founded in

    1996
    > > Main site: www.sunrk.com.au - Ebay Shop:
    > > www.ebayshops.com.au/sunripenedkernels
    > > Ph: 02-9520-2547 (int. +612) - Fax: gone - Mobile: 04-2163-0547 (int.
    > > +614)

    >
    >






  11. #11
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP


    "Dean Collins" <collins_dean"spam.me.here."@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Dean Collins" <collins_dean"spam.me.here."@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > lol - they will need to try a lot harder than $89.80 a month.
    > >
    > > Here in the USA the monthly fixed all you can eat (and it includes both
    > > landline and mobile calls is $14.99 a month).
    > >
    > > You can even get fixed price all you can eat services from mobile phones
    > > these days (around $45) unlimited calls to all mobile and all landlines
    > > across the USA (also have a 3g data all you can eat component).
    > >
    > > Cheers,
    > > Dean

    >
    > Now this is a creative marketing campaign...look and learn Telstra - your
    > days are numbered.


    Idiot.
    No economy of scale like that, over here
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Dean
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Alltel Launches 'My Circle,' Free Calls to Any Network or Number
    >
    >
    >
    > Alltel, owner and operator of America's largest wireless network,

    announced
    > the launch of "My Circle," an exclusive feature offered by no other

    national
    > wireless carrier. "My Circle" empowers customers to choose who they call

    for
    > free regardless of their carrier.
    >
    > "My Circle" enables Alltel customers to make and receive unlimited free
    > calls to and from the 10 phone numbers that matter most to them at any

    time
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    > wireless, home and office numbers located anywhere in the U.S., regardless
    > of local phone company or wireless carrier.
    >
    > "With 'My Circle,' Alltel customers can choose who they call for free -

    any
    > number, any network," said Kevin Beebe, group president of operations for
    > Alltel. "It's all about providing more value for our customers and keeping
    > them in touch with the people they know and love.
    >
    > "'My Circle' is further proof that Alltel will continue to provide our
    > customers with the best, most innovative wireless service in the

    industry,"
    > Beebe said. "Features like Anytime Plan Changes and now 'My Circle' help

    us
    > deliver that superior level of service by empowering consumers to

    customize
    > their wireless experience in ways that are unique in our industry."
    >
    > "My Circle" joins an existing set of unique promises that Alltel has made

    to
    > its customers, including the flexibility to change rate plans without
    > contract extensions and a network that's so reliable that customers stay
    > connected or Alltel pays them back.
    >
    > Alltel customers on select rate plans of $59.95 or higher can sign up for
    > "My Circle" online at alltel.com/myaccount. Once they have registered,
    > customers can change their numbers online as often as they like - for

    free.
    >
    > New and existing customers can find out more about Alltel's exclusive "My
    > Circle" feature by visiting their local Alltel retail store or by logging
    > onto www.alltelcircle.com
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >






  12. #12
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Dean Collins" <collins_dean"spam.me.here."@hotmail.com> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]...
    >> lol - they will need to try a lot harder than $89.80 a month.
    >>
    >> Here in the USA the monthly fixed all you can eat (and it includes
    >> both landline and mobile calls is $14.99 a month).

    >
    > No such animal, because you dont have "mobile" calls, because the
    > mobile customer pays the incoming


    > Plus your "long distance" sucks


    No it doesnt.

    >>>> Under siege from the cut-price internet calls, Telstra will send a
    >>>> letter to
    >>>> selected customers next week, telling them about the "all you can
    >>>> eat" offer. It also includes a 50 cent cap on calls to Telstra
    >>>> mobiles for up to
    >>>> 20 minutes, and customers will not have to sign up for a one or
    >>>> two-year contract.
    >>>
    >>>> It is seen as a pre-emptive strike against companies including
    >>>> Ninemsn and Yahoo!7, which are planning to launch
    >>>> voice-over-internet-protocol (VOIP) services later this year.
    >>>> Telstra plans to roll out its own VOIP service and
    >>>> will revamp the home phone so it can take video calls.
    >>>
    >>> No doubt that's connected to the extra abilities of the new exchange
    >>> equipment that's replacing a lot of the older gear? It won't be
    >>> possible to
    >>> do anything like that (just like it's not possible to provide ADSL)
    >>> with older equipment, especially when coupled with very large
    >>> distances between customer premises and their nearest exchange.
    >>>
    >>>> Teltra's fixed-line revenue slumped 7 per cent to $3.8 billion in
    >>>> the six months to December. The offer is a significant shift in
    >>>> Telstra's strategy for hanging onto customers. It is the first
    >>>> time it has offered subscription-pricing - a fixed fee regardless
    >>>> of the volume or length of calls.
    >>>
    >>> Be careful because this will give Telstra the ability to
    >>> (re)introduce the concept of timed local calls based on the
    >>> presumption of paying a flat fee for as many 'free' calls in your
    >>> local immediate vicinity (basically your exchange area and nothing
    >>> else), with any calls made outside that but to places inside the
    >>> existing areas where free local calls can currently be made getting
    >>> time-charged, and long-distance being the same as it is now.
    >>>
    >>> We really do NOT want that in Australia with fixed-line services.
    >>> If you want time-charging, get a cellphone. 8-)
    >>>
    >>>> Internet telephony took off in Europe and the US after a company
    >>>> called Skype launched in Luxembourg four years ago, allowing
    >>>> people to talk online.
    >>>> About 50 million people now use Skype, but it spawned an industry,
    >>>> including
    >>>> Australian operators such as Engin and Freshtel, which offer free
    >>>> calls between their own customers anywhere and 10 cent untimed
    >>>> local and national
    >>>> calls. Engin charges 3.5 cents a minute to Britain on a
    >>>> $9.95-a-month plan,
    >>>> while Freshtel costs 6.9 cents a minute or 3.9 cents on a
    >>>> $5.95-a-month plan.
    >>>
    >>> And the call quality is still crap unless you've got a higher-speed
    >>> DSL connection. It doesn't work at all with dial-up and barely with
    >>> ISDN or cable or lower-speed DSL.
    >>>
    >>>> Telstra is prepared to risk losing revenue from long-distance
    >>>> calls as it strives to keep a grip on its customers. It has
    >>>> already interviewed 22,000 customers about subscription pricing
    >>>> products.
    >>>
    >>> Well when they keep pushing up fixed-line costs, it's no wonder.
    >>> People dump
    >>> Telstra for long-distance and Telstra loses a key part of it's
    >>> fixed-line revenue base as a result.
    >>>
    >>>> Telstra believes if customers use its fixed-line service, they are
    >>>> more likely to buy its mobiles or sign up to its broadband.
    >>>
    >>> *cough* I'd never, ever use Telstra for my cellphones, and you
    >>> almost have no choice but to use Telstra for broadband because if
    >>> you don't use BigPond,
    >>> just about every reseller is using Telstra's DSLAM's so it's just
    >>> the same as Bigpond with a different name.
    >>>
    >>> Craig.
    >>> --
    >>> SUN RIPENED KERNELS - Surplus Sun Microsystems Equipment, Parts +
    >>> Accessories
    >>> Waterfall, NSW, Australia - Operated by Craig Dewick - Founded
    >>> in 1996 Main site: www.sunrk.com.au - Ebay Shop:
    >>> www.ebayshops.com.au/sunripenedkernels
    >>> Ph: 02-9520-2547 (int. +612) - Fax: gone - Mobile: 04-2163-0547
    >>> (int. +614)






  13. #13

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP

    The disgruntled fox said "The grapes were sour anyway".

    A bit like everything in America - apart from general healthcare and
    welfare policies (and even THAT is debatable) everything in America is
    better. Like it or lump it. Tough ****. Move to America or stay here.
    Your choice.

    Ah, don't worry about the welfare thing, Australia will "catch up" with
    the US (read: Fall way behind, that is, with crap welfare but consumers
    still being ****ed over as they've always been), but at the same time
    we wouldn't even hold a candle to the US because everything in the US
    is better than here. A LOT better. EVERYTHING from the sort of pet you
    can have, to the sort of food you can buy, cheaper housing, cheaper
    cars, wireless internet in most areas, you name it.

    Liberty groups are organising opposition to the war on drugs in the
    USA, so hopefully the war on *some* drugs will be a thing of the past
    in the USA. There is a lot of political ****fights about the drug war
    issue and things are changing. Don't know about Australia, I doubt
    we'll ever change, we can hope, but because our government has a long
    history of being extremely paternalistic I doubt it'll happen. For "our
    own good" of course. There's a lot of stuff that happens in Australia
    that Americans wouldn't tolerate for a second. I don't know why that
    happens, but I could hazard a guess. Maybe we're just too spineless to
    fight back. Americans on the other hand, don't take kindly at all to
    intrusions upon their personal liberties. I wish it was like that here.
    If the only thing we care about is how much we can screw out of others,
    then we aren't going to get anywhere.

    See ya later, poor fox.




  14. #14
    Kralizec Craig
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP

    [email protected] writes:

    >The disgruntled fox said "The grapes were sour anyway".


    >A bit like everything in America - apart from general healthcare and
    >welfare policies (and even THAT is debatable) everything in America is
    >better. Like it or lump it. Tough ****. Move to America or stay here.
    >Your choice.


    Better my ass. I don't think you'll find that all or even a majority of
    things are better in the US, but then again it's a matter of personal
    opinion.

    >Liberty groups are organising opposition to the war on drugs in the
    >USA, so hopefully the war on *some* drugs will be a thing of the past
    >in the USA.


    If it's anything like the 'war on terrorism' it's doomed to complete and
    utter failure.

    Craig.
    --
    SUN RIPENED KERNELS - Surplus Sun Microsystems Equipment, Parts + Accessories
    Waterfall, NSW, Australia - Operated by Craig Dewick - Founded in 1996
    Main site: www.sunrk.com.au - Ebay Shop: www.ebayshops.com.au/sunripenedkernels
    Ph: 02-9520-2547 (int. +612) - Fax: gone - Mobile: 04-2163-0547 (int. +614)



  15. #15
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Strategy to Beat VOIP

    [email protected] wrote:

    > The disgruntled fox said "The grapes were sour anyway".


    Foxes dont eat grapes, stupid.

    > A bit like everything in America - apart from general healthcare
    > and welfare policies (and even THAT is debatable)


    Nope.

    > everything in America is better.


    Nope.

    > Like it or lump it. Tough ****. Move to
    > America or stay here. Your choice.


    > Ah, don't worry about the welfare thing, Australia will "catch up"
    > with the US (read: Fall way behind, that is, with crap welfare
    > but consumers still being ****ed over as they've always been),


    Nope.

    > but at the same time we wouldn't even hold a candle to the US
    > because everything in the US is better than here. A LOT better.


    Nope.

    > EVERYTHING from the sort of pet you can have, to
    > the sort of food you can buy, cheaper housing, cheaper
    > cars, wireless internet in most areas, you name it.


    Not a ****ing clue, as always.

    > Liberty groups are organising opposition to the
    > war on drugs in the USA, so hopefully the war on
    > *some* drugs will be a thing of the past in the USA.


    Not a chance, you watch.

    > There is a lot of political ****fights about the drug
    > war issue and things are changing. Don't know
    > about Australia, I doubt we'll ever change,


    We already have with decriminalisation
    of pot etc in some states and territorys.

    > we can hope, but because our government has a long
    > history of being extremely paternalistic I doubt it'll happen.


    More fool you, it has already.

    > For "our own good" of course. There's a lot of stuff that happens
    > in Australia that Americans wouldn't tolerate for a second.


    And the reverse in spades.

    > I don't know why that happens,


    No surprises there.

    > but I could hazard a guess.


    And make a spectacular fool of yourself, yet again.

    > Maybe we're just too spineless to fight back. Americans on the other
    > hand, don't take kindly at all to intrusions upon their personal
    > liberties.


    Have fun explaining the MUCH more relaxed deal with drugs here.

    And those fools being stupid enough to try prohibition.

    > I wish it was like that here. If the only thing we care about is how much
    > we can screw out of others, then we aren't going to get anywhere.


    Have fun explaining how the US works fine that way.

    > See ya later, poor fox.


    **** off, fido.





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