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  1. #1
    Simon Templar
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    I emailed 3 last week to ask them when they will introduce PTT. Their
    reply was they will NOT be introducing it for technical reasons.


    Lazy bastards, this application has huge potential but they just can't
    see it!

    If only there was a solution for PTT that did not require each carrier
    to implement it. If third party servers could be set up and bypass the
    carriers all together and anyone could PTT anyone else regardless of
    their network I reckon it would take off like a rocket!

    Unless something is done we will not see PTT take off in Australia like
    it has in the US.


    --
    The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
    belong to.

    73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
    http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/cl...IENT_NO=157452



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  2. #2
    Peter
    Guest

    Re: Push To Talk dead


    "Simon Templar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >I emailed 3 last week to ask them when they will introduce PTT. Their
    >reply was they will NOT be introducing it for technical reasons.
    >
    >
    > Lazy bastards, this application has huge potential but they just can't see
    > it!
    >
    > If only there was a solution for PTT that did not require each carrier to
    > implement it. If third party servers could be set up and bypass the
    > carriers all together and anyone could PTT anyone else regardless of their
    > network I reckon it would take off like a rocket!
    >
    > Unless something is done we will not see PTT take off in Australia like it
    > has in the US.
    >
    >
    > --
    > The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
    > belong to.
    >
    > 73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
    > http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/cl...IENT_NO=157452




    third party server would be great! I used PTT with telstra and found it
    crap, someone could send a message and if you were not there to hear it you
    would not be notified that you missed a message, the sender was not aware
    that you didnt hear it either but was still charged. This was in the early
    days so things may have changed. I think another idea that will take off
    which I thought PTT would replicate is voice sms. Record your message and
    send it, but then I always email pics rather than mms as it is more often
    than not that the reciever has to go online anyway to veiw them.
    Someone once posted what a sms costs per meg to send. (I think the sum went
    something like 1 sms cost 30 cent to send and had 160 bytes) It is rude and
    unjustified. Sms used to be free to send from some websites before you could
    even send them from mobile to mobile in oz (I used to get email sent to me
    over multiple sms for free). It was always built into the system, the
    problem was the billing wasn't and that was what they had to set up. Once
    that happend all the free websites dissapeard and you had to buy tokens or
    what not and I gave up on it.
    :-P





  3. #3
    Kym Kim \(Noturyulo\)
    Guest

    Re: Push To Talk dead


    "Simon Templar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >I emailed 3 last week to ask them when they will introduce PTT. Their
    >reply was they will NOT be introducing it for technical reasons.
    >
    >
    > Lazy bastards, this application has huge potential but they just can't see
    > it!
    >
    > If only there was a solution for PTT that did not require each carrier to
    > implement it. If third party servers could be set up and bypass the
    > carriers all together and anyone could PTT anyone else regardless of their
    > network I reckon it would take off like a rocket!
    >
    > Unless something is done we will not see PTT take off in Australia like it
    > has in the US.


    The "3" operating system on my 6280 has disabled the PTT button. And
    hijacked one of the Navikeys.





  4. #4
    Simon Templar
    Guest

    Re: Push To Talk dead

    Peter wrote:
    > third party server would be great! I used PTT with telstra and found it
    > crap, someone could send a message and if you were not there to hear it you
    > would not be notified that you missed a message, the sender was not aware
    > that you didnt hear it either but was still charged. This was in the early
    > days so things may have changed. I think another idea that will take off
    > which I thought PTT would replicate is voice sms. Record your message and
    > send it, but then I always email pics rather than mms as it is more often
    > than not that the reciever has to go online anyway to veiw them.
    > Someone once posted what a sms costs per meg to send. (I think the sum went
    > something like 1 sms cost 30 cent to send and had 160 bytes) It is rude and
    > unjustified. Sms used to be free to send from some websites before you could
    > even send them from mobile to mobile in oz (I used to get email sent to me
    > over multiple sms for free). It was always built into the system, the
    > problem was the billing wasn't and that was what they had to set up. Once
    > that happend all the free websites dissapeard and you had to buy tokens or
    > what not and I gave up on it.
    > :-P


    PTT is designed to be real time, just like a two-way radio so that's why
    you would miss the call, although it would be nice to have a missed call
    indicator so you could call back. Pricing is an issue of course as they
    are ripping you off but if you have the service on then you are going to
    be charged of course.

    I think one of the reasons those free SMS sites shut down was because of
    the massive abuse. MTN SMS was a pioneer but I think the heat was put
    on them over the anonymous threats and abuse that were being sent
    through the service.

    I remember when there was a billing problem with Vodafone pre-paid where
    if you had zero credit you could continue to use GPRS and did I hammer
    that for a long time!


    --
    The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
    belong to.

    73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
    http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/cl...IENT_NO=157452



  5. #5
    Simon Templar
    Guest

    Re: Push To Talk dead

    Kym Kim (Noturyulo) wrote:
    > The "3" operating system on my 6280 has disabled the PTT button. And
    > hijacked one of the Navikeys.


    I had the same until I had a firmware upgrade done by the Nokia Care
    Centre, the 3 branding disappeared.

    Shame it is still locked to Three though!


    --
    The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
    belong to.

    73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
    http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/cl...IENT_NO=157452




  6. #6
    Peter
    Guest

    Re: Push To Talk dead


    "Simon Templar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Peter wrote:
    >> third party server would be great! I used PTT with telstra and found it
    >> crap, someone could send a message and if you were not there to hear it
    >> you would not be notified that you missed a message, the sender was not
    >> aware that you didnt hear it either but was still charged. This was in
    >> the early days so things may have changed. I think another idea that will
    >> take off which I thought PTT would replicate is voice sms. Record your
    >> message and send it, but then I always email pics rather than mms as it
    >> is more often than not that the reciever has to go online anyway to veiw
    >> them.
    >> Someone once posted what a sms costs per meg to send. (I think the sum
    >> went something like 1 sms cost 30 cent to send and had 160 bytes) It is
    >> rude and unjustified. Sms used to be free to send from some websites
    >> before you could even send them from mobile to mobile in oz (I used to
    >> get email sent to me over multiple sms for free). It was always built
    >> into the system, the problem was the billing wasn't and that was what
    >> they had to set up. Once that happend all the free websites dissapeard
    >> and you had to buy tokens or what not and I gave up on it.
    >> :-P

    >
    > PTT is designed to be real time, just like a two-way radio so that's why
    > you would miss the call, although it would be nice to have a missed call
    > indicator so you could call back. Pricing is an issue of course as they
    > are ripping you off but if you have the service on then you are going to
    > be charged of course.
    >
    > I think one of the reasons those free SMS sites shut down was because of
    > the massive abuse. MTN SMS was a pioneer but I think the heat was put on
    > them over the anonymous threats and abuse that were being sent through the
    > service.
    >
    > I remember when there was a billing problem with Vodafone pre-paid where
    > if you had zero credit you could continue to use GPRS and did I hammer
    > that for a long time!
    >
    >
    > --
    > The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
    > belong to.
    >
    > 73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
    > http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/cl...IENT_NO=157452




    lol, it used to be possible that you could have as many pc's connected to
    the same iprimus pre-paid dial up account no matter what location they were
    in, even had someone in Tasmania using it while the rest where in Victoria
    all at the same time.

    :-P





  7. #7
    Kym Kim \(Noturyulo\)
    Guest

    Re: Push To Talk dead


    "Simon Templar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Kym Kim (Noturyulo) wrote:
    >> The "3" operating system on my 6280 has disabled the PTT button. And
    >> hijacked one of the Navikeys.

    >
    > I had the same until I had a firmware upgrade done by the Nokia Care
    > Centre, the 3 branding disappeared.


    Excellent! I was hoping for that. Did you you have any issues getting the
    connection settings correct afterward?

    > Shame it is still locked to Three though!


    Damn. I was hoping for that.

    I guess you could send it in for repair three times for frivolous reasons,
    then claim a replacement handset the fourth time.





  8. #8
    Kym Kim \(Noturyulo\)
    Guest

    Re: Push To Talk dead


    "Kym Kim (Noturyulo)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Simon Templar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Kym Kim (Noturyulo) wrote:
    >>> The "3" operating system on my 6280 has disabled the PTT button. And
    >>> hijacked one of the Navikeys.

    >>
    >> I had the same until I had a firmware upgrade done by the Nokia Care
    >> Centre, the 3 branding disappeared.


    FYI I just took mine into NCC to be fixed.

    They initially said you can't (i.e. literally cannot) replace the branded
    operating system. I pushed it a bit and they said they're "not allowed to"
    and in any case they don't have the generic software to do it. I pushed a
    bit more (making reference to advertised features that are disabled by the 3
    crap) and they said they would "ask" the tech if they could do it, but
    couldn't make a written request on the job sheet.

    Further, they claimed that it's "not possible" to use Planet 3 etc without
    the 3 operating system, you can't just enter in the required settings. I've
    read something to this effect elsewhere too. Thus my question below.

    > Did you you have any issues getting the connection settings correct
    > afterward?






  9. #9
    Simon Templar
    Guest

    Re: Push To Talk dead

    Kym Kim (Noturyulo) wrote:
    > "Kym Kim (Noturyulo)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> "Simon Templar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>> Kym Kim (Noturyulo) wrote:
    >>>> The "3" operating system on my 6280 has disabled the PTT button. And
    >>>> hijacked one of the Navikeys.
    >>> I had the same until I had a firmware upgrade done by the Nokia Care
    >>> Centre, the 3 branding disappeared.

    >
    > FYI I just took mine into NCC to be fixed.
    >
    > They initially said you can't (i.e. literally cannot) replace the branded
    > operating system. I pushed it a bit and they said they're "not allowed to"
    > and in any case they don't have the generic software to do it. I pushed a
    > bit more (making reference to advertised features that are disabled by the 3
    > crap) and they said they would "ask" the tech if they could do it, but
    > couldn't make a written request on the job sheet.
    >
    > Further, they claimed that it's "not possible" to use Planet 3 etc without
    > the 3 operating system, you can't just enter in the required settings. I've
    > read something to this effect elsewhere too. Thus my question below.
    >
    >> Did you you have any issues getting the connection settings correct
    >> afterward?


    No a total load of crap, I never asked for the de-branding, it just
    happened when they upgraded my firmware. **** did that take a lot of
    arguments and several visits to get them to update the the latest
    firmware at that time, which was necessary to resolve problems with the
    phone.

    I can still access Planet 3 without an issue! I am making enquiries
    about having my Nokia 6680 unlocked at the moment. It totally pisses me
    off that 3 say it can NOT be unlocked, as opposed to they will NOT
    unlock it. They CAN unlock their Nokia 6680's they just choose NOT too!


    --
    The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
    belong to.

    73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
    http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/cl...IENT_NO=157452




  10. #10
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Push To Talk dead

    > third party server would be great! I used PTT with telstra and found it
    > crap, someone could send a message and if you were not there to hear it

    you
    > would not be notified that you missed a message, the sender was not aware


    You ****wit, thats what PTT Is - ITS A ****ING WALKIE TALKIE function

    > something like 1 sms cost 30 cent to send and had 160 bytes) It is rude

    and
    > unjustified. Sms used to be free to send from some websites before you

    could

    ****wit

    > over multiple sms for free). It was always built into the system, the
    > problem was the billing wasn't and that was what they had to set up. Once
    > that happend all the free websites dissapeard and you had to buy tokens or
    > what not and I gave up on it.


    lies, there are still some places around
    > :-P
    >
    >






  11. #11
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Push To Talk dead

    > PTT is designed to be real time, just like a two-way radio so that's why
    > you would miss the call, although it would be nice to have a missed call
    > indicator so you could call back. Pricing is an issue of course as they
    > are ripping you off but if you have the service on then you are going to
    > be charged of course.


    How are you being ripped off? you dont have to use it, if you dont want

    > I remember when there was a billing problem with Vodafone pre-paid where
    > if you had zero credit you could continue to use GPRS and did I hammer
    > that for a long time!


    Meh thats nothing, I used SMS for free through Voda for about 18 mths
    through 97/98.

    Vodafone couldnt bill you if you used a foreign SMSC.

    Gave my wife the foreign SMSC number - she could send Telstra => offnet SMS
    before Telstra even allowed it. Telstra still charged the 20c, because they
    bill in a different way





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