Daughter wants a Motorola V3 - is this phone good or bad?

two said....

> Oh yeah! I think Nokia will go the way of Motorola if they dont take
> more care. They are trying to break records for the release of more and
> more models. They should slow down on gimmick phones and try to
> concentrate on reliability.

And decent software.

I downloaded and installed the latest version of Nokia's PC Suite. To
say that I'm less than impressed is an understatement. Or maybe it's a
function my my Nokia 2280. I can't view the individual contacts on the
PC. I can't edit or delete them. I can only add new ones. I can't import
say from my Palm's contacts database. I can only backup and restore the
phonebook.

The SMS functionality is non-existant. It looks like you can SMS from
the PC if the phone's connected. But it doesn't work.

I used to have a 5110i and the Data Suite as it was called back then.
I could download and edit any name/number. Add or delete contacts and
send/receive SMSes via the program. And that was 6 years ago.

Why has Nokia gone backwards in this area?

My 2280 would be complete if it had an IR port. I'd do what I used to do
with my 6385 til I drowned it, and to copy contacts to/from my Palm via
IR and use the Palm Desktop software as the backup.

What are the other brands, Motorola, LG, Sage-em, Sony-Ericsson, etc.
like in this regard?

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Brendon said....

> "Anthony Horan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Looks like certain forums on Whirlpool only show up when you're logged
>> in.
>
> Yes, the phones forum will only show up when you sign in...

Ah, probably explains why I can't see it when I'm browsing the Telstra
website...

Albinus said....

> you can cope with the weirdly designed menu system all my experiences
> with those models has been excellent - with the exception of some of the
> low-end LG models.

My first CDMA phone was an LG, mainly because Nokia had yet to release
its first CDMA, the 6385.

The LG was a poor performer. It had a complex and difficult to navigate
menu system. To send an SMS required something like 12 keystrokes
(button pushes?) before you got to enter the text, and then a couple
more after that. It had no predictive text input, no PC connectivity and
no readily available car kits for it.

I used to think that CDMA coverage wasn't all that flash as the phone
used to drop out a fair bit. It wasn't until I got the Nokia that I
found that it was the LG's performance that was not all that flash. The
Nokia would perform better, particularly in marginal areas than the LG
ever did.

"Emjaye T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Noturyulo\ said....
>
>>> Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people to listen
>>> to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than just merely
>>> expressing your personal opinion.
>>
>> What do you expect? Some kind of spreadsheet full of some kind of data?
>
> It would be a start, yes. People make all sorts of claims about all
> sorts of things on the internet and in Usenet in particular. When
> someone's trying to do decent research, and in this case, the fellow
> wants to know how good the Motorola phones are, he's being forced to
> take at face value, some anonymous poster's opinion about what he thinks
> of the brand.
>
> Then you get the types who argue the other guy's opinion, and then it
> goes on and on, tit for tat.
>
> It can be ****ing frustrating at times. At least the web based forums do
> offer some moderation in this respect. Not sure if the info is any
> better, though, but it has to be better than what we often see in here.

There are more respected and knowledgeable people in here than the fools on
web forums. And no idiots on power trips as "moderators".

Indeed with mobile phones it's people's personal opinions on the usability
etc that is more important on this sort of forum than the hard facts which
can be easily gotten from user manuals and websites etc.

"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Emjaye T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Justin Case wrote:
>>
>> > Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would be
>> > many that wouldn't.
>>
>> And this is based on, what?
>
> Using, and selling, their crap phones.
> Seeing the number of returns on them compared to comparable models in the
> market.
>
> I'll never forget the "Poron pads" that needed to be installed on Motorola
> Jazz handsets

Please remind me.

Albinus wrote:
> two bob wrote:
>
> > Motorola ruled with analogue, Nokia ruled with GSM, who will rule now?
>
> Probably some Japanese or Korean firm - after all they pretty much
> exclusively use CDMA/UMTS in their respective countries, and provided
> you can cope with the weirdly designed menu system all my experiences
> with those models has been excellent - with the exception of some of the
> low-end LG models. The experience with my new Samsung model cements that
> view for me.

Is it still possible to buy new Siemens models? I was told by a
retailer that they are no longer concerned with mobile phones, which
sounds crazy. Also you see many people walking around with Siemens
advertisements on T-shirts and such.

"Emjaye T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> two said....
>
>> Oh yeah! I think Nokia will go the way of Motorola if they dont take
>> more care. They are trying to break records for the release of more
>> and more models. They should slow down on gimmick phones and try to
>> concentrate on reliability.
>
> And decent software.
>
> I downloaded and installed the latest version of Nokia's PC Suite. To
> say that I'm less than impressed is an understatement. Or maybe it's a
> function my my Nokia 2280. I can't view the individual contacts on the
> PC. I can't edit or delete them. I can only add new ones. I can't
> import say from my Palm's contacts database. I can only backup and
> restore the phonebook.

Do it within Outlook/OE then sync it back to the phone.
The major problem I've found with their software is that it can't handle
recurring appointments. A glaring ****up for a supposedly business product.


>
> The SMS functionality is non-existant. It looks like you can SMS from
> the PC if the phone's connected. But it doesn't work.
>
> I used to have a 5110i and the Data Suite as it was called back then.
> I could download and edit any name/number. Add or delete contacts and
> send/receive SMSes via the program. And that was 6 years ago.
>
> Why has Nokia gone backwards in this area?
>
> My 2280 would be complete if it had an IR port. I'd do what I used to
> do with my 6385 til I drowned it, and to copy contacts to/from my
> Palm via IR and use the Palm Desktop software as the backup.
>
> What are the other brands, Motorola, LG, Sage-em, Sony-Ericsson, etc.
> like in this regard?

Motorola uses third-party software (Phone Tools) that works fine, if slowly.
Does all that you mentioned above.
Siemens is similar in that they use third party software that works fine.
Nokia is by far the worst when it comes to PC software for their phones.


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Kwyj

[email protected] wrote:

> Is it still possible to buy new Siemens models? I was told by
> a retailer that they are no longer concerned with mobile
> phones, which sounds crazy. Also you see many people walking
> around with Siemens advertisements on T-shirts and such.

They sold their mobile phone business to Benq. This is a
Taiwanese company, but their mobile phone development unit is
still in Germany, and the phones will be dual branded
Siemens/Benq for a while.

They pulled out of the Australian market before the sale, and
haven't reentered that I've heard of.

John

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> Albinus wrote:
>> two bob wrote:
>>
>>> Motorola ruled with analogue, Nokia ruled with GSM, who will rule
>>> now?
>>
>> Probably some Japanese or Korean firm - after all they pretty much
>> exclusively use CDMA/UMTS in their respective countries, and provided
>> you can cope with the weirdly designed menu system all my experiences
>> with those models has been excellent - with the exception of some of
>> the low-end LG models. The experience with my new Samsung model
>> cements that view for me.
>
> Is it still possible to buy new Siemens models?

Yep. They are actually sold under the BenQ brand. In fact, thay have the
dearest phone on the Optus dealers list - even more expensive than the O2
models.

> I was told by a
> retailer that they are no longer concerned with mobile phones, which
> sounds crazy.

The retailer is full of ****.


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Kwyj

"Emjaye T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Justin said....
>
>> Just because the sales are there doesn't necessarily make it a good
>> product, marketing plays a key roll here, and in my opinion and that of
>> many others, they are still crap. Perhaps you should do your own
>> research on the facts before shooting your mouth off, unless of course
>> you are on Motorola's payroll?
>
> What's the matter? Taking umbrage at being asked to substantiate your
> claims, perhaps? Whatever, it's up to you whether or not you wish to.
> Just don't get upset if people ignore you.
>
> Hey, let's take the Motorola V3x that Telstra's pushing on a $20 plan,
> nothing up front. In your view, why do you think that it's rubbish? What
> makes it a poor quality product? What can a potential buyer look at to
> see whether or not it is worth considering?
>
> And no, I don't work for any mobile phone company.
>
> I personally own a Nokia 2280 CDMA phone which is two years old and
> which is approaching the end of its servicable life. So, I too will be
> in the market for a new phone in the next 12 months or so as they phase
> out CDMA and phase in this new 3G service.
>
> Throwaway lines like "Motonoklgsageicsson phones are rubbish. All my
> moites and me reckon this so don't buy 'em" do nothing to help those out
> there looking for a phone to make a good consumer decision.
>
> If you think that a phone is a piece crap, tell us why. Or perhaps point
> us to somewhere that has reviews of the products. That's all.
>
>


Simply put, out of all the GSM Moto phones I have owned and used over the
years, and with the exception of their earlier analogues, not one of them
gave me what I would consider a reasonable "PERFORMANCE" compared to others
on the market at the time. My main issues with the Moto's was call drop out
and in many many instances, the "INABILITY" to make and receive calls, very
frustrating when you are trying to run a business, and yes I had taken into
consideration geographic conditions and the coverage offered by all
networks. The Moto menu's in my opinion also suck, don't ask why, they just
****ing did and still do.

My stepdaughter has just got rid of her V3 for the same reasons I gave up on
their predecessors, "POOR NETWORK PERFORMANCE", and has gone back to a
Nokia (don't know what model)

Not going to get involved in a long winded argument here, no white papers or
spec sheets, pure and simple facts, based on my experience with Moto
products, not piss talking it whilst downing a few sherbets at the local,
the OP wanted a ****ing opinion, he got it, if you want to contest it, go
for it.

Just curious have you ever owned a Moto GSM? or used one for that matter?

In a nutshell, I want a phone I can pick up and make/receive calls and that
"PERFORMS" on any network, if it can't do that, then it aint worth a ****
full of burnt snow, but that's just my opinion.

Jc

"Emjaye T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Justin said....
>
> > Just because the sales are there doesn't necessarily make it a good
> > product, marketing plays a key roll here, and in my opinion and that of
> > many others, they are still crap. Perhaps you should do your own
> > research on the facts before shooting your mouth off, unless of course
> > you are on Motorola's payroll?
>
> What's the matter? Taking umbrage at being asked to substantiate your
> claims, perhaps? Whatever, it's up to you whether or not you wish to.
> Just don't get upset if people ignore you.
>
> Hey, let's take the Motorola V3x that Telstra's pushing on a $20 plan,
> nothing up front. In your view, why do you think that it's rubbish? What

Because Motorola phones are ****

> makes it a poor quality product? What can a potential buyer look at to

Poor build and poor user interface

> And no, I don't work for any mobile phone company.

Who cares?

> I personally own a Nokia 2280 CDMA phone which is two years old and
> which is approaching the end of its servicable life. So, I too will be
> in the market for a new phone in the next 12 months or so as they phase
> out CDMA and phase in this new 3G service.

Keep your 2280 for a bit longer

> Throwaway lines like "Motonoklgsageicsson phones are rubbish. All my

It IS a simple as that, when it comes to Motorola

> If you think that a phone is a piece crap, tell us why. Or perhaps point

Because the whole brand is, since GSM

> us to somewhere that has reviews of the products. That's all.

Do your own research

this is a USENET FORUm

YOU get to ask the question
WE get to answer it
>
>

"Kym Kim (Noturyulo)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Emjaye T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> Justin Case wrote:
> >>
> >> > Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would be
> >> > many that wouldn't.
> >>
> >> And this is based on, what?
> >
> > Using, and selling, their crap phones.
> > Seeing the number of returns on them compared to comparable models in
the
> > market.
> >
> > I'll never forget the "Poron pads" that needed to be installed on
Motorola
> > Jazz handsets
>
> Please remind me.

I knew a few people who owned Moto Jazzes. Then after a few months they
started turning off.

Sent 'em away for repair. came back "poron pad installed".
Sure enough, good as new.

What was the poron pad? A 1cm x 1cm piece of foam, installed to the inside
of the battery cover, to make sure the battery didnt come loose!

> And decent software.
>
> I downloaded and installed the latest version of Nokia's PC Suite. To
> say that I'm less than impressed is an understatement. Or maybe it's a
> function my my Nokia 2280. I can't view the individual contacts on the
> PC. I can't edit or delete them. I can only add new ones. I can't import
> say from my Palm's contacts database. I can only backup and restore the
> phonebook.
>
> The SMS functionality is non-existant. It looks like you can SMS from
> the PC if the phone's connected. But it doesn't work.

Its ****ed software

> I used to have a 5110i and the Data Suite as it was called back then.
> I could download and edit any name/number. Add or delete contacts and
> send/receive SMSes via the program. And that was 6 years ago.
>
> Why has Nokia gone backwards in this area?

Cause they are ****ed