CDMA vs 3g in OZ

Hi all,
I have a question for the group, I have heard that CDMA is being phased out,
in a period of time, (I am not sure how long) what I am asking can anyone
advise the range of 3G vs CDMA, same/better, or much the same as GSM...
or loads worse.
I know of someone who wishes to upgrade their phone and they live in the
country (not the capital city area) and we know the 3g is not yet in their
area, (north of Cairns) so would it be better to u/g to CDMA, for the
reliabilty of CDMA until phased out, or go for a 3G compatible phone, and use
that until the 3g has improved in their area.

tia
Gus


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Gus wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have a question for the group, I have heard that CDMA is being phased out,
> in a period of time, (I am not sure how long) what I am asking can anyone
> advise the range of 3G vs CDMA, same/better, or much the same as GSM...
> or loads worse.
> I know of someone who wishes to upgrade their phone and they live in the
> country (not the capital city area) and we know the 3g is not yet in their
> area, (north of Cairns) so would it be better to u/g to CDMA, for the
> reliabilty of CDMA until phased out, or go for a 3G compatible phone, and use
> that until the 3g has improved in their area.
>
> tia
> Gus
>
>
I recently upgraded my CDMA phone to another CDMA phone. Based on the
initial announcement by Telstra, it'll be around for a few years. If
rollout of 3G 850 doesn't go to plan, it will be longer. Either way, at
this point in time, I figured I'll still get reasonable use from this
handset.

Graeme Willox <[email protected]> wrote in news:e9pdrq$pli$1@news-
02.connect.com.au:

> Gus wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I have a question for the group, I have heard that CDMA is being phased
out,
>> in a period of time, (I am not sure how long) what I am asking can
anyone
>> advise the range of 3G vs CDMA, same/better, or much the same as GSM...
>> or loads worse.
>> I know of someone who wishes to upgrade their phone and they live in
the
>> country (not the capital city area) and we know the 3g is not yet in
their
>> area, (north of Cairns) so would it be better to u/g to CDMA, for the
>> reliabilty of CDMA until phased out, or go for a 3G compatible phone,
and use
>> that until the 3g has improved in their area.
>>
>> tia
>> Gus
>>
>>
> I recently upgraded my CDMA phone to another CDMA phone. Based on the
> initial announcement by Telstra, it'll be around for a few years. If
> rollout of 3G 850 doesn't go to plan, it will be longer. Either way, at
> this point in time, I figured I'll still get reasonable use from this
> handset.

Thanks for the reply Graeme, Son's phone is GSM, and has to be u/g'd for
his business, which takes him into 'not so good gsm coverage areas' to the
north of base so I will pass your comments on to him.
Gus


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Gus wrote:
> Graeme Willox <[email protected]> wrote in news:e9pdrq$pli$1@news-
> 02.connect.com.au:
>
>> Gus wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a question for the group, I have heard that CDMA is being phased
> out,
>>> in a period of time, (I am not sure how long) what I am asking can
> anyone
>>> advise the range of 3G vs CDMA, same/better, or much the same as GSM...
>>> or loads worse.
>>> I know of someone who wishes to upgrade their phone and they live in
> the
>>> country (not the capital city area) and we know the 3g is not yet in
> their
>>> area, (north of Cairns) so would it be better to u/g to CDMA, for the
>>> reliabilty of CDMA until phased out, or go for a 3G compatible phone,
> and use
>>> that until the 3g has improved in their area.
>>>
>>> tia
>>> Gus
>>>
>>>
>> I recently upgraded my CDMA phone to another CDMA phone. Based on the
>> initial announcement by Telstra, it'll be around for a few years. If
>> rollout of 3G 850 doesn't go to plan, it will be longer. Either way, at
>> this point in time, I figured I'll still get reasonable use from this
>> handset.
>
> Thanks for the reply Graeme, Son's phone is GSM, and has to be u/g'd for
> his business, which takes him into 'not so good gsm coverage areas' to the
> north of base so I will pass your comments on to him.
> Gus
>
>

I bought a Nokia 6255. It's a flip phone, but other than that, it's
fairly basic. It does have a camera, but it's only 640 x 480, but to be
frank, if I want to take a high resolution photo, that's what my camera
is for.

One of the reasons I bought the 6255 was that it it works with a common
car kit. (I have a Nokia CK-7W car kit.) I had a Kyocera phone before
this one. It went back for repair 3 times when I had it. Kyocera also
seem to change their models and their car kits, whereas this car kit
works with quite a few phones.

Another deciding factor was that the 6255 also has a direct connection
for the antenna, whereas many phones produced nowadays just have
induction connections. Particularly if he's in a fringe area, that
could mean the difference between a call connecting or not. If he
doesn't want a car kit, he can just buy a patch lead which plugs into
the phone (just below the base of the internal antenna) He may or may
not also need an adapter, depending on the connector on the coax and the
patch lead.

Incidently, if he decides to go with a CDMA phone (any brand) he should
be aware that the signal strength meters don't work in quite the same
way as a GSM phone. On a CDMA phone, the signal strength meter will
often show little or no signal, yet it will often be possible to make
and receive calls. Some people see this and think that their phone is
faulty, but it's pretty much normal.

Thanks for all the ideas Greame, I will pass your info on to my son.

I had CDMA back when it first came into service and was on the Putty Rd in
NSW on top of a decent hill, and managed to get good service to call my
GSM (in the car beside me too), which had no service, but it was mainly a
test to see what the signal & reception were like on the cdma, signal was
poor to non-existant, and audio was very clear on ring tone in the ear
piece, got the usual "the mobile telephone you are calling etc etc..."
FYI it was a Hyundai 'Gulliver', nice little toy..

cheers
Gus

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>
> I bought a Nokia 6255. It's a flip phone, but other than that, it's
> fairly basic. It does have a camera, but it's only 640 x 480, but to be
> frank, if I want to take a high resolution photo, that's what my camera
> is for.
>
> One of the reasons I bought the 6255 was that it it works with a common
> car kit. (I have a Nokia CK-7W car kit.) I had a Kyocera phone before
> this one. It went back for repair 3 times when I had it. Kyocera also
> seem to change their models and their car kits, whereas this car kit
> works with quite a few phones.
>
> Another deciding factor was that the 6255 also has a direct connection
> for the antenna, whereas many phones produced nowadays just have
> induction connections. Particularly if he's in a fringe area, that
> could mean the difference between a call connecting or not. If he
> doesn't want a car kit, he can just buy a patch lead which plugs into
> the phone (just below the base of the internal antenna) He may or may
> not also need an adapter, depending on the connector on the coax and the
> patch lead.
>
> Incidently, if he decides to go with a CDMA phone (any brand) he should
> be aware that the signal strength meters don't work in quite the same
> way as a GSM phone. On a CDMA phone, the signal strength meter will
> often show little or no signal, yet it will often be possible to make
> and receive calls. Some people see this and think that their phone is
> faulty, but it's pretty much normal.
>

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Gus may have written:
> Thanks for all the ideas Greame, I will pass your info on to my son.

<snip>

Long-distance/weak-signal reception with CDMA has been great for me over
the years. I'm hoping the 850MHz 3G replacement Telstra are rolling out
(UMTS uses W-CDMA rather than GSM's TDMA) isn't going to leave a smaller
foot-print. Telstra's promise of "The 3G foot-print will be the same, or
better than CDMA's" probably isn't worth much...

PD

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Paul Day
Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/

Why are you so negative about Telstra's promise of "The 3G foot-print will
be the same, or
better than CDMA's"?

"Graeme Willox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Gus wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I have a question for the group, I have heard that CDMA is being phased
out,
> > in a period of time, (I am not sure how long) what I am asking can
anyone
> > advise the range of 3G vs CDMA, same/better, or much the same as GSM...
> > or loads worse.
> > I know of someone who wishes to upgrade their phone and they live in the
> > country (not the capital city area) and we know the 3g is not yet in
their
> > area, (north of Cairns) so would it be better to u/g to CDMA, for the
> > reliabilty of CDMA until phased out, or go for a 3G compatible phone,
and use
> > that until the 3g has improved in their area.
> >
> > tia
> > Gus
> >
> >
> I recently upgraded my CDMA phone to another CDMA phone. Based on the
> initial announcement by Telstra, it'll be around for a few years. If
> rollout of 3G 850 doesn't go to plan, it will be longer. Either way, at
> this point in time, I figured I'll still get reasonable use from this
> handset.

correct

"Gus" <Gus@Sick_of_Spam.au> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks for all the ideas Greame, I will pass your info on to my son.
>
> I had CDMA back when it first came into service and was on the Putty Rd in
> NSW on top of a decent hill, and managed to get good service to call my
> GSM (in the car beside me too), which had no service, but it was mainly a
> test to see what the signal & reception were like on the cdma, signal was
> poor to non-existant, and audio was very clear on ring tone in the ear
> piece, got the usual "the mobile telephone you are calling etc etc..."
> FYI it was a Hyundai 'Gulliver', nice little toy..

Hardly. It was and still is, a great little phone

"Intel Inside" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Why are you so negative about Telstra's promise of "The 3G foot-print will
> be the same, or
> better than CDMA's"?

Maybe because they made the same foolish claim for AMPS vs CDMA.

And had to spend a LOT more money trying to get that claim to work

>
>

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:32:21 GMT Intel Inside may have written:
> Why are you so negative about Telstra's promise of "The 3G foot-print
> will be the same, or better than CDMA's"?

Because the same claim was made when AMPS was ditched for CDMA. That and
the government are too weak to do more than get a promise from those
from Telstra who bother to show up to meetings (ie, not Sol...): "Are
you suuuure she'll be right?". No contract, no financial penalty, no
majority-share-holder power exercised...

PD

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Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/

Hi, I am on CDMA with Telstra and the paper work I have had sent to me gives
a time of 2008 but we know of delays etc.
They say it will be as good as or better then CDMA.
I will not go 3G don't need all the bells and whistles just a phone that we
can ring and send SMS's from may be Bluetooth to keep the law happy when
driving.
Down here in good old Tassie CDMA is far better then any thing else.
I am part of the communications team for Targa Tasmania and our use of CDMA
has made the use of Sat phone a non event ,we still have the odd stage that
we need a Sat phone but that is because of conditions at the time like thick
fog etc and at times the fog is to bad for the Sat phone to.
Cheers
Gavin"Gus" <Gus@Sick_of_Spam.au> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Hi all,
> I have a question for the group, I have heard that CDMA is being phased
> out,
> in a period of time, (I am not sure how long) what I am asking can anyone
> advise the range of 3G vs CDMA, same/better, or much the same as GSM...
> or loads worse.
> I know of someone who wishes to upgrade their phone and they live in the
> country (not the capital city area) and we know the 3g is not yet in their
> area, (north of Cairns) so would it be better to u/g to CDMA, for the
> reliabilty of CDMA until phased out, or go for a 3G compatible phone, and
> use
> that until the 3g has improved in their area.
>
> tia
> Gus
>
>
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"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in news:ax3wg.8603$tE5.5541@news-
server.bigpond.net.au:

>
> "Gus" <Gus@Sick_of_Spam.au> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Thanks for all the ideas Greame, I will pass your info on to my son.
>>
>> I had CDMA back when it first came into service and was on the Putty Rd
in
>> NSW on top of a decent hill, and managed to get good service to call my
>> GSM (in the car beside me too), which had no service, but it was mainly
a
>> test to see what the signal & reception were like on the cdma, signal
was
>> poor to non-existant, and audio was very clear on ring tone in the ear
>> piece, got the usual "the mobile telephone you are calling etc etc..."
>> FYI it was a Hyundai 'Gulliver', nice little toy..
>
> Hardly. It was and still is, a great little phone
>
>
>

Only complaint I had with it, I had to speak too close to the mic for the
other party to hear me clearly, may have just been my phone though, other
than that was happy with it, gave it to a friend that was travelling
between Brisbane & Townsville quite a bit when GSM was a bit poor..

;-) Lets not got there either.


Thanks to all for the input, I am sure my Son has enough to make a
decision.
Gus



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Gus wrote:

> Only complaint I had with it, I had to speak too close to the mic for the
> other party to hear me clearly, may have just been my phone though, other
> than that was happy with it, gave it to a friend that was travelling
> between Brisbane & Townsville quite a bit when GSM was a bit poor..


Which GSM carrier? In my experience on the Bruce Hwy between Brisbane
and Townsville, when both are in car kits Vodafone GSM blows Telstra
CDMA out of the water - between Rockhampton and Mackay especially. The
amount of times my CDMA handset had no coverage and you'd pass this
little omni site with Vodafone at -60dBm...

Albinus <[email protected]> wrote in news:Qmkxg.343$rP1.246@news-
server.bigpond.net.au:

> Gus wrote:
>
>> Only complaint I had with it, I had to speak too close to the mic for
the
>> other party to hear me clearly, may have just been my phone though,
other
>> than that was happy with it, gave it to a friend that was travelling
>> between Brisbane & Townsville quite a bit when GSM was a bit poor..
>
>
> Which GSM carrier? In my experience on the Bruce Hwy between Brisbane
> and Townsville, when both are in car kits Vodafone GSM blows Telstra
> CDMA out of the water - between Rockhampton and Mackay especially. The
> amount of times my CDMA handset had no coverage and you'd pass this
> little omni site with Vodafone at -60dBm...
>

All 3, we did a test way back before voda got that coast/highway contract,
and there were many dead spots in that stretch of the highway, but Voda
did have the better coverage of the GSM's at the time (Rocky-Mackay) , and
I have been up since I got rid of the CDMA and yes you are right, Voda
leaves the others for dead. But the CDMA was in service all the time, cant
remember the year, thats the problem with age, you can only remember so
much useless crap.

And before anyone else roars a rocket up me, I know there are differences
in the phones, sensitivity etc, I did not have the liberty of 3 identical
phones. 1 Nokia, 1 Alcatel, and once again age kicks in, cant remember the
3rd fone. oh well you get that.

;-)




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