Wota pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist

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heh, before I even clicked the link the name 'Sol Trujillo' popped into my
mind

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"SmakDaddy" <[email protected]> writes:

>heh, before I even clicked the link the name 'Sol Trujillo' popped into my
>mind

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Before I even opened the article in my newsreader,
I thought "one line precis by Rod". I was wrong, zero lines.

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Chris,

i wonder what will happen to telstra when the power companies start adding
phone and internet over power?

i hear its going well in tassie


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moo cow <[email protected]> wrote

> i wonder what will happen to telstra when the power companies start adding phone and
> internet over power?

Nothing, you watch.

> i hear its going well in tassie

Like hell it is as far as ever being competitive with adsl is concerned.

THATS what matters.


> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

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"moo cow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> i wonder what will happen to telstra when the power companies start adding
> phone and internet over power?

Nothing will happen to Telstra, because its been done for years now

> i hear its going well in tassie

Nope

Intel Inside <[email protected]> wrote:

> But can you say why he is a "pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist"?.

'Born' that way, has no option on that.

> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Data has to come in and go out through someone. Telstra will still get
income. What is better than power lines is wi-max. The RUMOUR is that they
are going to do it and if they do, it will be interesting to have wireless
broadband, efficiently, everywhere in Oz near a town of any size. No need
for ADSL up a phone line. Whoever gets it first is going to get a massive
amount of users!!

"moo cow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>i wonder what will happen to telstra when the power companies start adding
>phone and internet over power?
>
> i hear its going well in tassie
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> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Whatcher? <[email protected]> wrote

> Data has to come in and go out through someone.

Not necessarily telstra tho.

> Telstra will still get income.

Not necessarily.

> What is better than power lines is wi-max. The RUMOUR is that they are going to do it
> and if they do, it will be interesting to have wireless broadband, efficiently,
> everywhere in Oz near a town of any size.

Any shared bandwidth system has to be worse than a non shared one.

Those mindlessly rabbiting of about the alleged slowness
of adsl clearly hasnt used a wireless system.

> No need for ADSL up a phone line. Whoever gets it first is going to get a massive amount
> of users!!

Nope, there's a few fundamental reasons why most arent bothering.


> "moo cow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> i wonder what will happen to telstra when the power companies start
>> adding phone and internet over power?
>>
>> i hear its going well in tassie
>>
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> http://businesssunday.ninemsn.com.au...aspx?id=121677

Whatcher? wrote:
>
> Data has to come in and go out through someone. Telstra will still get
> income. What is better than power lines is wi-max. The RUMOUR is that they
> are going to do it and if they do, it will be interesting to have wireless
> broadband, efficiently, everywhere in Oz near a town of any size. No need
> for ADSL up a phone line. Whoever gets it first is going to get a massive
> amount of users!!
>
If, and it's a bloody big if, they do it at the right price.

Years ago, when FoxTel was starting out in Oz, I, and many, _many_
others told them that to get good penetration they needed a basic
subscription model with a "pick what other channels you want" mix, with
channels grouped in cost, and packaged as well, such as "all the sports
channels" for $xx, but allow for someone who wanted, say, the horse
racing and a premium movie channel and a comedy channel, at individual
prices. Of course, the morons thought they would make more money by
forcing people to buy *big* packages to get all the channels they want,
which, of course, they didn't, so take-up of cable in Oz is minimal, as
are profits.

No doubt saner heads will prevail in the WiMAX roll out... (But I, for
one, am not holding my breath)

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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Gary R. Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote:
> Whatcher? wrote:
>>
>> Data has to come in and go out through someone. Telstra will still
>> get income. What is better than power lines is wi-max. The RUMOUR is
>> that they are going to do it and if they do, it will be interesting
>> to have wireless broadband, efficiently, everywhere in Oz near a
>> town of any size. No need for ADSL up a phone line. Whoever gets it
>> first is going to get a massive amount of users!!
>>
> If, and it's a bloody big if, they do it at the right price.
>
> Years ago, when FoxTel was starting out in Oz, I, and many, _many_
> others told them that to get good penetration they needed a basic
> subscription model with a "pick what other channels you want" mix,
> with channels grouped in cost, and packaged as well, such as "all the
> sports channels" for $xx, but allow for someone who wanted, say, the
> horse racing and a premium movie channel and a comedy channel, at
> individual prices. Of course, the morons thought they would make
> more money by forcing people to buy *big* packages to get all the
> channels they want, which, of course, they didn't, so take-up of
> cable in Oz is minimal, as are profits.

The real reason that payTV takeup is poor is because our free to air TV is
pretty decent and they dont offer much more than what you can get for free.

> No doubt saner heads will prevail in the WiMAX roll out...

Bet it wont, largely because telstra has driven down the cost
of adsl to barely more than dialup if you use the net much.

THAT is what is the killer for WiMAX and what will see it mostly
get used by those who cant get adsl or who need portabability.

> (But I, for one, am not holding my breath)

Bugger.

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Whatcher? <[email protected]> wrote
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>> Data has to come in and go out through someone.
>
> Not necessarily telstra tho.
>

Errr Rod you are wrong on that one. Data definitely DOES have to come in and
go out through someone.

>> Telstra will still get income.
>
> Not necessarily.
>

Sure as eggs, they will get income.

>> What is better than power lines is wi-max. The RUMOUR is that they are
>> going to do it and if they do, it will be interesting to have wireless
>> broadband, efficiently, everywhere in Oz near a town of any size.
>
> Any shared bandwidth system has to be worse than a non shared one.
>

Depends on the reliability and speed at which you get it. In the case of
wireless broadband that actually is efficient and not the **** we have now,
it may also depend on your need to have internet anywhere.

> Those mindlessly rabbiting of about the alleged slowness
> of adsl clearly hasnt used a wireless system.
>

I havent used wireless broadband, definitely.

>> No need for ADSL up a phone line. Whoever gets it first is going to get a
>> massive amount of users!!
>
> Nope, there's a few fundamental reasons why most arent bothering.
>

One being that wi-max isnt around yet in Oz mainland (excluding Tas)?

"Gary R. Schmidt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Whatcher? wrote:
> >
>> Data has to come in and go out through someone. Telstra will still get
>> income. What is better than power lines is wi-max. The RUMOUR is that
>> they are going to do it and if they do, it will be interesting to have
>> wireless broadband, efficiently, everywhere in Oz near a town of any
>> size. No need for ADSL up a phone line. Whoever gets it first is going to
>> get a massive amount of users!!
>>
> If, and it's a bloody big if, they do it at the right price.
>

True. Not going to pay a bucketload for something new and unusual.

> Years ago, when FoxTel was starting out in Oz, I, and many, _many_ others
> told them that to get good penetration they needed a basic subscription
> model with a "pick what other channels you want" mix, with channels
> grouped in cost, and packaged as well, such as "all the sports channels"
> for $xx, but allow for someone who wanted, say, the horse racing and a
> premium movie channel and a comedy channel, at individual prices. Of
> course, the morons thought they would make more money by forcing people to
> buy *big* packages to get all the channels they want, which, of course,
> they didn't, so take-up of cable in Oz is minimal, as are profits.
>

Anyone with half a mind could see that idea had sense. There are very few
sports that interest me and I like to be entertained when I turn the TV on.
That's one reason I dont watch it weekends during the day if I am home
(excepting since the Bogey stuff started).

> No doubt saner heads will prevail in the WiMAX roll out... (But I, for
> one, am not holding my breath)
>

I sincerely doubt it. I know some stories from the Optus F.O. rollout. One
glaring one - they thought they were finished so shafted the guy who did
most of the planning and a hell of a lot of work. Just told him "last day
today" and he was an employee (high money). So he finished, went elsewhere
where things were fine but not fabulous and 3 months later got a phone call
telling him that he HAS to come back as if he didn't have a choice. He told
them "No F'n way unless you double my salary" and without hesitation they
said "OK" so he went back. They paid more in the 18 months thereafter than
they would have if they had common sense.

Whatcher? <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> Whatcher? <[email protected]> wrote

>>> Data has to come in and go out through someone.

>> Not necessarily telstra tho.

> Errr Rod you are wrong on that one.

I am never ever wrong.

> Data definitely DOES have to come in and go out through someone.

Never said it doesnt, stupid.

>>> Telstra will still get income.

>> Not necessarily.

> Sure as eggs, they will get income.

Not with data that doesnt go anywhere near telstra they wont.

>>> What is better than power lines is wi-max. The RUMOUR is that they
>>> are going to do it and if they do, it will be interesting to have wireless broadband,
>>> efficiently, everywhere in Oz near a town of any size.

>> Any shared bandwidth system has to be worse than a non shared one.

> Depends on the reliability and speed at which you get it.

Nope, depends on what bandwidth is available to be shared.

> In the case of wireless broadband that actually is efficient and not the **** we have
> now,

Mindless pig ignorant silly stuff.

> it may also depend on your need to have internet anywhere.

No may about it.

>> Those mindlessly rabbiting of about the alleged slowness
>> of adsl clearly hasnt used a wireless system.

> I havent used wireless broadband, definitely.

Your problem.

>>> No need for ADSL up a phone line. Whoever gets it first is going to get a massive
>>> amount of users!!

>> Nope, there's a few fundamental reasons why most arent bothering.

> One being that wi-max isnt around yet in Oz mainland (excluding Tas)?

There's a few fundamental reasons why most
arent bothering and that one isnt one of them.

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Apparently they has everything worked out for this fibre network to get them
their $$$.
6mps? My internet is already faster than that.