"Auditors to watch (Telstra) 3G (coverage compared to CDMA)"

http://australianit.news.com.au/wire...119796,00.html

Auditors to watch 3G
Chris Jenkins and Ben Woodhead
August 14, 2006

TELSTRA's new national 3G network will be tested by auditors to see if
it offers the same coverage as the CDMA network it is designed to
replace.

Communications Minister Senator Helen Coonan announced that the
Australian Communications and Media Authority would be responsible for
monitoring the new 850Mhz 3G network.

ACMA would first establish benchmarks for CDMA coverage.

"The audits will assess voice coverage of more than 80 sites across
different states and topographies," Senator Coonan said. "The field
testing will include city and regional centres, but mainly focus on the
less well served rural, regional and remote areas."

ACMA would be briefed on Telstra's CDMA mapping methodology and
equivalence criteria to establish coverage benchmarks.

Field testing would take place in the final quarter of the year, with a
new assessment of the 3G network once installation had progressed
further,

A working group designed to ensure parity of coverage between the
incoming and outgoing networks was established in February.

Telstra chief executive Sol Trujillo said last week that the $1 billion,
850Mhz 3G network was on track to launch early in 2007, saying customers
would be able to download at speeds of up to 3.6Mbps per second.

The demise of the CDMA network, which itself was designed as a
replacement for the analogue AMPS network in the bush, has been a key
concern for rural mobile users, worried that coverage of the new 3G
services would not be as good.

Large numbers of Telstra pre-paid subscribers also use the CDMA network.

Long an advocate of the CDMA technology, Former deputy prime minister
and Nationals leader Tim Fischer last week said the demise of the CDMA
network was a more pressing issue than the cancellation of Telstra's $4
billion fibre to the node broadband network.

"That's the issue that's flashing amber for me. I'd probably rate that
as more important," he said.

Telstra has 1.7 million CDMA customers.


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Telstra couldn;t give a rats arse if ACMA monitor/audit them or not. ACMA
have no power to demand Telstra improve coverage. Last time politicians
tried to tame Trujillo, they received a one-fingered salute

"Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://australianit.news.com.au/wire...119796,00.html
>
> Auditors to watch 3G
> Chris Jenkins and Ben Woodhead
> August 14, 2006
>
> TELSTRA's new national 3G network will be tested by auditors to see if
> it offers the same coverage as the CDMA network it is designed to
> replace.
>
> Communications Minister Senator Helen Coonan announced that the
> Australian Communications and Media Authority would be responsible for
> monitoring the new 850Mhz 3G network.
>
> ACMA would first establish benchmarks for CDMA coverage.
>
> "The audits will assess voice coverage of more than 80 sites across
> different states and topographies," Senator Coonan said. "The field
> testing will include city and regional centres, but mainly focus on the
> less well served rural, regional and remote areas."
>
> ACMA would be briefed on Telstra's CDMA mapping methodology and
> equivalence criteria to establish coverage benchmarks.
>
> Field testing would take place in the final quarter of the year, with a
> new assessment of the 3G network once installation had progressed
> further,
>
> A working group designed to ensure parity of coverage between the
> incoming and outgoing networks was established in February.
>
> Telstra chief executive Sol Trujillo said last week that the $1 billion,
> 850Mhz 3G network was on track to launch early in 2007, saying customers
> would be able to download at speeds of up to 3.6Mbps per second.
>
> The demise of the CDMA network, which itself was designed as a
> replacement for the analogue AMPS network in the bush, has been a key
> concern for rural mobile users, worried that coverage of the new 3G
> services would not be as good.
>
> Large numbers of Telstra pre-paid subscribers also use the CDMA network.
>
> Long an advocate of the CDMA technology, Former deputy prime minister
> and Nationals leader Tim Fischer last week said the demise of the CDMA
> network was a more pressing issue than the cancellation of Telstra's $4
> billion fibre to the node broadband network.
>
> "That's the issue that's flashing amber for me. I'd probably rate that
> as more important," he said.
>
> Telstra has 1.7 million CDMA customers.
>
>
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"80 sites" in a country of this size is so laughable it's funny


"Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://australianit.news.com.au/wire...119796,00.html
>
> Auditors to watch 3G
> Chris Jenkins and Ben Woodhead
> August 14, 2006
>
> TELSTRA's new national 3G network will be tested by auditors to see if
> it offers the same coverage as the CDMA network it is designed to
> replace.
>
> Communications Minister Senator Helen Coonan announced that the
> Australian Communications and Media Authority would be responsible for
> monitoring the new 850Mhz 3G network.
>
> ACMA would first establish benchmarks for CDMA coverage.
>
> "The audits will assess voice coverage of more than 80 sites across
> different states and topographies," Senator Coonan said. "The field
> testing will include city and regional centres, but mainly focus on the
> less well served rural, regional and remote areas."
>
> ACMA would be briefed on Telstra's CDMA mapping methodology and
> equivalence criteria to establish coverage benchmarks.
>
> Field testing would take place in the final quarter of the year, with a
> new assessment of the 3G network once installation had progressed
> further,
>
> A working group designed to ensure parity of coverage between the
> incoming and outgoing networks was established in February.
>
> Telstra chief executive Sol Trujillo said last week that the $1 billion,
> 850Mhz 3G network was on track to launch early in 2007, saying customers
> would be able to download at speeds of up to 3.6Mbps per second.
>
> The demise of the CDMA network, which itself was designed as a
> replacement for the analogue AMPS network in the bush, has been a key
> concern for rural mobile users, worried that coverage of the new 3G
> services would not be as good.
>
> Large numbers of Telstra pre-paid subscribers also use the CDMA network.
>
> Long an advocate of the CDMA technology, Former deputy prime minister
> and Nationals leader Tim Fischer last week said the demise of the CDMA
> network was a more pressing issue than the cancellation of Telstra's $4
> billion fibre to the node broadband network.
>
> "That's the issue that's flashing amber for me. I'd probably rate that
> as more important," he said.
>
> Telstra has 1.7 million CDMA customers.
>
>
> Australian IT
> COPYRIGHT ? NEWS LIMITED

thegoons <[email protected]> wrote:

> Telstra couldn;t give a rats arse if ACMA monitor/audit them or not. ACMA have no power
> to demand Telstra improve coverage.

They do have the power to refuse to allow 3G on that band.

> Last time politicians tried to tame Trujillo, they received a one-fingered salute

The Mex got the one finger salute from govt, most obviously
with its attempt to shaft the competition with fibre to the node.


> "Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> http://australianit.news.com.au/wire...119796,00.html
>>
>> Auditors to watch 3G
>> Chris Jenkins and Ben Woodhead
>> August 14, 2006
>>
>> TELSTRA's new national 3G network will be tested by auditors to see
>> if it offers the same coverage as the CDMA network it is designed to
>> replace.
>>
>> Communications Minister Senator Helen Coonan announced that the
>> Australian Communications and Media Authority would be responsible
>> for monitoring the new 850Mhz 3G network.
>>
>> ACMA would first establish benchmarks for CDMA coverage.
>>
>> "The audits will assess voice coverage of more than 80 sites across
>> different states and topographies," Senator Coonan said. "The field
>> testing will include city and regional centres, but mainly focus on
>> the less well served rural, regional and remote areas."
>>
>> ACMA would be briefed on Telstra's CDMA mapping methodology and
>> equivalence criteria to establish coverage benchmarks.
>>
>> Field testing would take place in the final quarter of the year,
>> with a new assessment of the 3G network once installation had
>> progressed further,
>>
>> A working group designed to ensure parity of coverage between the
>> incoming and outgoing networks was established in February.
>>
>> Telstra chief executive Sol Trujillo said last week that the $1
>> billion, 850Mhz 3G network was on track to launch early in 2007,
>> saying customers would be able to download at speeds of up to
>> 3.6Mbps per second. The demise of the CDMA network, which itself was designed as a
>> replacement for the analogue AMPS network in the bush, has been a key
>> concern for rural mobile users, worried that coverage of the new 3G
>> services would not be as good.
>>
>> Large numbers of Telstra pre-paid subscribers also use the CDMA
>> network. Long an advocate of the CDMA technology, Former deputy prime minister
>> and Nationals leader Tim Fischer last week said the demise of the
>> CDMA network was a more pressing issue than the cancellation of
>> Telstra's $4 billion fibre to the node broadband network.
>>
>> "That's the issue that's flashing amber for me. I'd probably rate
>> that as more important," he said.
>>
>> Telstra has 1.7 million CDMA customers.
>>
>>
>> Australian IT
>> COPYRIGHT ? NEWS LIMITED

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:05:11 GMT Intel Inside may have written:
> "80 sites" in a country of this size is so laughable it's funny

Indeed. Bit like trialling a new cancer wonder-drug on three people and
then hailing it a success for all and letting it roll into general use.

PD

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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 04:26:02 +1000 Rod Speed may have written:
> > Last time politicians tried to tame Trujillo, they received a
> > one-fingered salute
>
> The Mex got the one finger salute from govt, most obviously with its
> attempt to shaft the competition with fibre to the node.

As "majority share-holder" (until they can flog it), does the government
have much say over 850MHz's 3G's coverage, the final shut-down of CDMA
etc etc? Other than questioning Telstra over wether they'll meet the
coverage, they don't seem to be pushing the matter very hard at the
moment. Is that a lack of effort or lack of clout?

PD

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Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/

Paul Day <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> Last time politicians tried to tame Trujillo,
>>> they received a one-fingered salute

>> The Mex got the one finger salute from govt, most obviously
>> with its attempt to shaft the competition with fibre to the node.

> As "majority share-holder" (until they can flog it),
> does the government have much say over 850MHz's
> 3G's coverage, the final shut-down of CDMA etc etc?

In theory they have absolute say because they are the majority shareholder.

In practice the govt chooses not to micromanage telstra at that level.

> Other than questioning Telstra over wether they'll meet the
> coverage, they don't seem to be pushing the mattervery
> hard at the moment. Is that a lack of effort or lack of clout?

Its basically the way they have decided to operate.

Its never going to be practical to allow politicians to
micromanage an operation like telstra, they will always
attempt to rort the system to keep their electorates happy.

The govt has chosen to not allow politicians to interfere at that level.

Quite rightly in my opinion.

Exactly. Too small a sample set to be deemed realistic.


"Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:05:11 GMT Intel Inside may have written:
>> "80 sites" in a country of this size is so laughable it's funny
>
> Indeed. Bit like trialling a new cancer wonder-drug on three people and
> then hailing it a success for all and letting it roll into general use.
>
> PD
>
> --
> Paul Day
> Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Paul Day <[email protected]> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>> Last time politicians tried to tame Trujillo,
>>>> they received a one-fingered salute
>
>>> The Mex got the one finger salute from govt, most obviously
>>> with its attempt to shaft the competition with fibre to the node.
>
>> As "majority share-holder" (until they can flog it),
>> does the government have much say over 850MHz's
>> 3G's coverage, the final shut-down of CDMA etc etc?
>
> In theory they have absolute say because they are the majority
> shareholder.
>
> In practice the govt chooses not to micromanage telstra at that level.

Shutting CDMA is hardly micromanaging.

>
>> Other than questioning Telstra over wether they'll meet the
>> coverage, they don't seem to be pushing the mattervery
>> hard at the moment. Is that a lack of effort or lack of clout?

Stupidity in fact. They appointed a token woman to the portfolio (Coonan);
gives you some idea of the importance the Government places on Telstra.

>
> Its basically the way they have decided to operate.
>
> Its never going to be practical to allow politicians to
> micromanage an operation like telstra, they will always
> attempt to rort the system to keep their electorates happy.

Shutting CDMA is hardly micromanaging


>
> The govt has chosen to not allow politicians to interfere at that level.
>
> Quite rightly in my opinion.
>
Wrong, majority shareholder has an obligation to protect their interest; to
not show an interest is simply mismanagement. Common in the Howard
Administration though.



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thegoons <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> Paul Day <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>> Last time politicians tried to tame Trujillo,
>>>>> they received a one-fingered salute

>>>> The Mex got the one finger salute from govt, most obviously
>>>> with its attempt to shaft the competition with fibre to the node.

>>> As "majority share-holder" (until they can flog it),
>>> does the government have much say over 850MHz's
>>> 3G's coverage, the final shut-down of CDMA etc etc?

>> In theory they have absolute say because they are the majority shareholder.

>> In practice the govt chooses not to micromanage telstra at that level.

> Shutting CDMA is hardly micromanaging.

Corse it is when its being replaced, not just shut down.

>>> Other than questioning Telstra over wether they'll meet the
>>> coverage, they don't seem to be pushing the mattervery
>>> hard at the moment. Is that a lack of effort or lack of clout?

> Stupidity in fact. They appointed a token woman to the portfolio (Coonan); gives you
> some idea of the importance the Government places on Telstra.

She's done a lot better than that fool Alston ever did.

>> Its basically the way they have decided to operate.

>> Its never going to be practical to allow politicians to
>> micromanage an operation like telstra, they will always
>> attempt to rort the system to keep their electorates happy.

> Shutting CDMA is hardly micromanaging

Corse it is when its being replaced, not just shut down.

>> The govt has chosen to not allow politicians to interfere at that level.

>> Quite rightly in my opinion.

> Wrong, majority shareholder has an obligation to protect their interest;

Wrong, there is no legal obligation for the govt to do that.

> to not show an interest is simply mismanagement.

They do show an interest, they are getting to the ACMA to have a
look at the claim that the coverage will be as good as it is with CDMA.

<reams of your pathetic excuse for a troll that any 2
year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

On 14 Aug 2006 09:06:00 GMT Paul Day may have written:
<snip>
And now: http://australianit.news.com.au/wire...128112,00.html

"Mobile phone cell sites on the CDMA network can reach 200- 250km."

Ok, hands up if you've _ever_ been able to place a CDMA call from >200km
away?

PD

> Large numbers of Telstra pre-paid subscribers also use the CDMA network.

Nope

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> thegoons <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Telstra couldn;t give a rats arse if ACMA monitor/audit them or not.
ACMA have no power
> > to demand Telstra improve coverage.
>
> They do have the power to refuse to allow 3G on that band.
>
> > Last time politicians tried to tame Trujillo, they received a
one-fingered salute
>
> The Mex got the one finger salute from govt, most obviously
> with its attempt to shaft the competition with fibre to the node.

not really.

telstra is happy to not build something that wont have a good commercial
return.

they make that decision every day, day in, day out

"Intel Inside" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:rq%[email protected]...
> "80 sites" in a country of this size is so laughable it's funny

agreed

"Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 14 Aug 2006 09:06:00 GMT Paul Day may have written:
> <snip>
> And now:
http://australianit.news.com.au/wire...128112,00.html
>
> "Mobile phone cell sites on the CDMA network can reach 200- 250km."
>
> Ok, hands up if you've _ever_ been able to place a CDMA call from >200km
> away?

me