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- 10-03-2006, 02:43 AM #16Graeme WilloxGuest
Re: 24 Month Plan but only 12 Months Warranty
Michael wrote:
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>> Michael wrote:
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>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>> "Simon Templar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>>>> This really pisses me off, just about all phones sold on contract lock
>>>>>> you into a 24 month contract yet you only get 12 months warranty on
>>>>>> them.
>>>>> then buy outright and you dont have this problem
>>>>>
>>>>>> Most phones these days don't even last 24 months before developing
>>>>>> problems and you are stuck with the junk until the contract is up.
>>>>>> This leaves you two options pay big $$$ to have them repaired or $$$
>>>>>> to pay your contract out to upgrade.
>>>>> that is YOU, the customers fault. you want something for nothing, all
>>>>> the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> you never want to pay anything for your phone, even if it makes
>>>>> economical sense. you pushed out contract lengths from 12 months, to
>>>>> 15, to 18, and now to 24.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The phone companies are quick to get the money off us each month but
>>>>>> they are not prepared to provide us with decent phones on a reasonable
>>>>>> contract.
>>>>> see above. you dont understand simple economics
>>>> Paying the phone off isn't getting something for nothing. It's just the
>>>> same type of deal you get if you buy something interest free from the
>>>> likes of Harvey Norman.
>>> If it is an MRO type arrangement where your service plan is seperate to
>>> your handset, then it is.
>>>
>>> But most are NOT, they are a combined service offer and phone option.
>>>
>>> Do you SERIOUSLY think that a 24 month contract for $20 per month, with
>>> $0 upfront, that the phone is FREE?
>> The last three phones I've bought (CDMA) have been on MRO. Telstra hasn't
>> offered me a $0 CDMA phone ever, not even when I was on their $150 a month
>> plan. Now that I've gone through a dealer, at least I'm
>
> You havent had your eyes open. Telstra and other carriers have been doing $0
> plans on a $150 since at least 1997
>
>> not on a $150 plan any more.
>
>
Which CDMA phones have they provided for $0?
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- 10-03-2006, 03:59 PM #17PageyGuest
Re: 24 Month Plan but only 12 Months Warranty
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>>> Do you SERIOUSLY think that a 24 month contract for $20 per month, with
>>> $0 upfront, that the phone is FREE?
>>
>> Yes - at least for the consumer. The provider foots the bill, and
>> recuperates the costs by signing you to their network for 24 months.
>
> Youve got no idea, clearly
I think you've got the shoe on the wrong foot, buddy. My last two $0 phones
have been that - $0. No further monthly phone payments, no further
installments. However, I have been locked into a contract for upto 24
months. If I decide to break the contract within that period then I pay out
the minimum network costs AND the phone . Otherwise for me - the consumer -
the phone is free.
- 10-04-2006, 01:12 AM #18MichaelGuest
Re: 24 Month Plan but only 12 Months Warranty
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>>>> Do you SERIOUSLY think that a 24 month contract for $20 per month, with
>>>> $0 upfront, that the phone is FREE?
>>>
>>> Yes - at least for the consumer. The provider foots the bill, and
>>> recuperates the costs by signing you to their network for 24 months.
>>
>> Youve got no idea, clearly
>
> I think you've got the shoe on the wrong foot, buddy. My last two $0
> phones have been that - $0. No further monthly phone payments, no further
> installments. However, I have been locked into a contract for upto 24
> months. If I decide to break the contract within that period then I pay
> out the minimum network costs AND the phone . Otherwise for me - the
> consumer - the phone is free.
If you think a 24 month contract makes it free, then you are an utter
****wit
>
>
- 10-04-2006, 01:25 AM #19MichaelGuest
Re: 24 Month Plan but only 12 Months Warranty
>> You havent had your eyes open. Telstra and other carriers have been doing
>> $0 plans on a $150 since at least 1997
>>
>>> not on a $150 plan any more.
>>
> Which CDMA phones have they provided for $0?
Graeme, from what I can see very quickly, the following phones are free on
business phone plan 150 and mobile phone plan 150
imate pda2k evdo
kyocera kx440
kyocera kx5
motorola a840
nokia 6255
unless this is a trick question, there are tonnes of them
- 10-04-2006, 07:05 AM #20Graeme WilloxGuest
Re: 24 Month Plan but only 12 Months Warranty
Michael wrote:
>>> You havent had your eyes open. Telstra and other carriers have been doing
>>> $0 plans on a $150 since at least 1997
>>>
>>>> not on a $150 plan any more.
>> Which CDMA phones have they provided for $0?
>
> Graeme, from what I can see very quickly, the following phones are free on
> business phone plan 150 and mobile phone plan 150
>
> imate pda2k evdo
> kyocera kx440
> kyocera kx5
> motorola a840
> nokia 6255
>
> unless this is a trick question, there are tonnes of them
>
>
Ok. I must admit I never looked seriously at any of those models. I
did buy a Kyocera KX2, but they didn't discount it at all. It ended up
being a buggy phone. It used to freeze up at random. The software in
it was buggy. (You could enter heaps of info in the organiser section
and it would only store the first word you'd entered). It went back for
repair a couple of times, but in the end I lost confidence in it. I use
it at work and need it to be reliable. It's out of warranty now, but
I'm still having to pay the stupid thing off, even though the thing
never really worked completely reliably.
- 10-06-2006, 03:23 PM #21PageyGuest
Re: 24 Month Plan but only 12 Months Warranty
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>>>>>
>>>>> Do you SERIOUSLY think that a 24 month contract for $20 per month,
>>>>> with $0 upfront, that the phone is FREE?
>>>>
>>>> Yes - at least for the consumer. The provider foots the bill, and
>>>> recuperates the costs by signing you to their network for 24 months.
>>>
>>> Youve got no idea, clearly
>>
>> I think you've got the shoe on the wrong foot, buddy. My last two $0
>> phones have been that - $0. No further monthly phone payments, no further
>> installments. However, I have been locked into a contract for upto 24
>> months. If I decide to break the contract within that period then I pay
>> out the minimum network costs AND the phone . Otherwise for me - the
>> consumer - the phone is free.
>
> If you think a 24 month contract makes it free, then you are an utter
> ****wit
Let me keep it simple for those s-l-o-w-e-r types among us.
I pay $22 p/m connection fee.
I sign a contract for 24 months.
On doing so I get provided a phone for $0 - free.
If I break the contract, I pay out the remainder of the 24 months connection
fees.
I also get slugged the cost of the phone new divided by the months already
passed.
So how much is the phone? FREE. The provider recuperates the costs by
keeping me with their network for 24 months. If I break the contract, I pay
for the phone.
Do you understand? As they say, it's not rocket science.
- 10-07-2006, 03:45 AM #22Joe69Guest
Re: 24 Month Plan but only 12 Months Warranty
Good example can be seen here. http://www.pynk.com.au/specialoffer
The fact is that this type of dispute is a common. However you are
bring in at least 2 or 3 different areas into a single purchase
Mobile Phones are made by phone companys in a world market. To suite a
world market. That means 12mths warranty on the phone and 6 mths on the
battery. Remember Australia purchase numbers are a dot on the map to
World wide sales.
Mobile Telco contracts are designed to help the Consumer obtain
discount Hardware but it is about Margins. Think of this on a telco
propective. sell 7000 Mobile phones a mth on various plans on average
of $350 per phone plus approx $150 for the dealer channel selling and
promoting the product.
Work out the costs. 7000 x $500 = $3,500,000 per month. That is
$84,000,000 over 24 mths for 7000 customers per mths just to cover
their costs. and from that they need to make their margins.
Telcos want you to buy outright and go on no contract which why prepaid
phones are so competitive. HPP and Free phone are a massive cost.
The world market is more on phone outright purchase. That is why phone
companies do not work with the plan suppliers. It is just a purchase
for them.
Do your self a favour and Buy outright and shop out a competitive plan.
Also instead of buying a expensive $400 to $600 phone, Just buy $200
ones so you can upgrade when ever you want.
As it is easier to have a ***** rather than look at the logistic's of a
contract purchase. It is easier to think. I want the best, For the
Cheapest, with little or no contract and Upgrade for free whenever I
want. But the Realistic level of a Telco is, Unless you spend $500 to
$1000 per month, you are just a small subscriber number to them. Other
wise contracts will stay 24 mths unless the consumer wants cheaper
older phones. But that will never happen.
It is like Woolworths paying for your Fridge so you can put the food
you buy into it because you are a loyal customer. Or fuel companies
paying for your car.. Think about it in a bit more detail... Mobile
phone consumers have a great deal as far as alternitives.
--
Joe69
- 10-07-2006, 03:45 AM #23Joe69Guest
Re: 24 Month Plan but only 12 Months Warranty
Good example can be seen here. http://www.pynk.com.au/specialoffer
The fact is that this type of dispute is a common. However you are
bring in at least 2 or 3 different areas into a single purchase
Mobile Phones are made by phone companys in a world market. To suite a
world market. That means 12mths warranty on the phone and 6 mths on the
battery. Remember Australia purchase numbers are a dot on the map to
World wide sales.
Mobile Telco contracts are designed to help the Consumer obtain
discount Hardware but it is about Margins. Think of this on a telco
propective. sell 7000 Mobile phones a mth on various plans on average
of $350 per phone plus approx $150 for the dealer channel selling and
promoting the product.
Work out the costs. 7000 x $500 = $3,500,000 per month. That is
$84,000,000 over 24 mths for 7000 customers per mths just to cover
their costs. and from that they need to make their margins.
Telcos want you to buy outright and go on no contract which why prepaid
phones are so competitive. HPP and Free phone are a massive cost.
The world market is more on phone outright purchase. That is why phone
companies do not work with the plan suppliers. It is just a purchase
for them.
Do your self a favour and Buy outright and shop out a competitive plan.
Also instead of buying a expensive $400 to $600 phone, Just buy $200
ones so you can upgrade when ever you want.
As it is easier to have a ***** rather than look at the logistic's of a
contract purchase. It is easier to think. I want the best, For the
Cheapest, with little or no contract and Upgrade for free whenever I
want. But the Realistic level of a Telco is, Unless you spend $500 to
$1000 per month, you are just a small subscriber number to them. Other
wise contracts will stay 24 mths unless the consumer wants cheaper
older phones. But that will never happen.
It is like Woolworths paying for your Fridge so you can put the food
you buy into it because you are a loyal customer. Or fuel companies
paying for your car.. Think about it in a bit more detail... Mobile
phone consumers have a great deal as far as alternitives.
--
Joe69
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