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- 01-10-2007, 04:47 PM #16Paul DayGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:44:24 +1100 davmel may have written:
> > On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:37:32 +0900 Jonathan Wilson may have written:
> >> Screw Nokia, go buy the Motorola RAZR V6 and get a NextG phone
> >> right now
> >
> > Does it do 2100MHz UMTS?
>
> It's a dual band UMTS (850 & 2100) & tri-band (900/1800/1900) capable phone.
Hmmm, nice. Is that the only phone (other than the JasJam) that
Telstra are selling that does UMTS 2100 as well as 850?
PD
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- 01-10-2007, 04:49 PM #17Paul DayGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:06:01 GMT Michael may have written:
> >> $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia....
> >>
> >> Should I believe them.??
> >>
> >
> > Experience says Telstra shop employees *usually* pluck a number out of
> > their arse when it comes to release dates and the like. That said, some
>
> They use the dates supplied by Nokia, which are usually plucked out of
> Nokia's arse
Brightstar are the distributor, not Nokia. Who says they'll be supplying
it the moment Nokia release it?
PD
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- 01-11-2007, 04:40 AM #18thegoonsGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
"JimM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Albinus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> JimM wrote:
>>>>
>>>> $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia....
>>>>
>>>> Should I believe them.??
>>>>
>>>
>>> Experience says Telstra shop employees *usually* pluck a number out of
>>> their arse when it comes to release dates and the like. That said, some
>>
>> They use the dates supplied by Nokia, which are usually plucked out of
>> Nokia's arse
>
>
> Michael wouldn't Brightstar be the one's who would know.......?
>
Yes, Telstra were the idiots who gave their supply monopoly to Brighstar;
hence the dismal failure in ability to supply NextG handsets. Many
independent dealers are now suing Telstra for the delays as Telstra diverted
Brightstar shipments to Telstra Shops. and diverted them from Telstra
Licensed Shops and other dealers.
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- 01-15-2007, 04:53 AM #19MichaelGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
"JimM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
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>> "Albinus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> JimM wrote:
>>>>
>>>> $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia....
>>>>
>>>> Should I believe them.??
>>>>
>>>
>>> Experience says Telstra shop employees *usually* pluck a number out of
>>> their arse when it comes to release dates and the like. That said, some
>>
>> They use the dates supplied by Nokia, which are usually plucked out of
>> Nokia's arse
>
>
> Michael wouldn't Brightstar be the one's who would know.......?
Nope
>
>
- 01-15-2007, 05:20 AM #20JimMGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "JimM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Albinus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> JimM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia....
>>>>>
>>>>> Should I believe them.??
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Experience says Telstra shop employees *usually* pluck a number out of
>>>> their arse when it comes to release dates and the like. That said, some
>>>
>>> They use the dates supplied by Nokia, which are usually plucked out of
>>> Nokia's arse
>>
>>
>> Michael wouldn't Brightstar be the one's who would know.......?
>
> Nope
$olstra's sol supplier of mobile handsets doesn't know....??
Wot the.....??????
- 01-15-2007, 03:02 PM #21Paul DayGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:53:50 GMT Michael may have written:
> > Michael wouldn't Brightstar be the one's who would know.......?
>
> Nope
Michael's funny.
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- 01-15-2007, 08:22 PM #22EmjayeGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
thegoons said....
> Many independent dealers are now suing Telstra for the delays as Telstra
> diverted Brightstar shipments to Telstra Shops. and diverted them from
> Telstra Licensed Shops and other dealers.
A mate of mine runs a "Telstra shop" here where I live. Around the
corner is another "Telstra Shop". However, I think the latter is more of
a Telstra shop as you've described, and he (the former) may simply be a
licensed dealer.
Anyway, I rocked up to his shop the week after NextG opened and enquired
about what phones are available. Dunno, said the sales assistant. There
was nothing in the shop to indicate that the NextG service had been
commissioned.
So, I went to the other shop. In it were NextG posters and the then
currently available handsets on display. The only one not available was
the Samsumg A701.
Later on I went back to the other shop and asked someone different about
NextG (I prefered to give this shop my business). However, she too knew
nothing. I said that The other shop has them available and the shop is
decked out in NextG promotional banners, posters, etc.. Oh, was all she
said...
I dunno how long it was before they started selling NextG products as I
ended up getting the phone from the other mob.
So, there may well be some truth to Telstra giving selected
dealers/resellers preferential treatment. I wonder if Optus and other
mobile phone companies do the same.
- 01-16-2007, 04:02 AM #23JimMGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
"Emjaye" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> thegoons said....
>
>> Many independent dealers are now suing Telstra for the delays as Telstra
>> diverted Brightstar shipments to Telstra Shops. and diverted them from
>> Telstra Licensed Shops and other dealers.
>
> A mate of mine runs a "Telstra shop" here where I live. Around the
> corner is another "Telstra Shop". However, I think the latter is more of
> a Telstra shop as you've described, and he (the former) may simply be a
> licensed dealer.
>
> Anyway, I rocked up to his shop the week after NextG opened and enquired
> about what phones are available. Dunno, said the sales assistant. There
> was nothing in the shop to indicate that the NextG service had been
> commissioned.
>
> So, I went to the other shop. In it were NextG posters and the then
> currently available handsets on display. The only one not available was
> the Samsumg A701.
>
> Later on I went back to the other shop and asked someone different about
> NextG (I prefered to give this shop my business). However, she too knew
> nothing. I said that The other shop has them available and the shop is
> decked out in NextG promotional banners, posters, etc.. Oh, was all she
> said...
>
> I dunno how long it was before they started selling NextG products as I
> ended up getting the phone from the other mob.
>
> So, there may well be some truth to Telstra giving selected
> dealers/resellers preferential treatment. I wonder if Optus and other
> mobile phone companies do the same.
>
If these`allegations are true, wouldn't these be of interest to the ACCC..??
- 01-16-2007, 04:40 PM #24EmjayeGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
JimM said....
>> So, there may well be some truth to Telstra giving selected
>> dealers/resellers preferential treatment. I wonder if Optus and other
>> mobile phone companies do the same.
> If these`allegations are true, wouldn't these be of interest to the
> ACCC..??
Knowing the guy who didn't have any NextG products and the relationship
between him and the other guy (there was a court appearance by the first
guy after he was stalking the second), if there was such preferential
treatment meted out by Telstra, then I'm sure that he would've gone down
this path already.
Oh, the local Hardly Normal store, which also flogs Telstra products,
didn't have any NextG stuff either.
- 01-16-2007, 04:56 PM #25Rod SpeedGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
JimM <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Emjaye" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> thegoons said....
>>
>>> Many independent dealers are now suing Telstra for the delays as
>>> Telstra diverted Brightstar shipments to Telstra Shops. and
>>> diverted them from Telstra Licensed Shops and other dealers.
>>
>> A mate of mine runs a "Telstra shop" here where I live. Around the
>> corner is another "Telstra Shop". However, I think the latter is
>> more of a Telstra shop as you've described, and he (the former) may
>> simply be a licensed dealer.
>>
>> Anyway, I rocked up to his shop the week after NextG opened and
>> enquired about what phones are available. Dunno, said the sales
>> assistant. There was nothing in the shop to indicate that the NextG
>> service had been commissioned.
>>
>> So, I went to the other shop. In it were NextG posters and the then
>> currently available handsets on display. The only one not available
>> was the Samsumg A701.
>>
>> Later on I went back to the other shop and asked someone different
>> about NextG (I prefered to give this shop my business). However, she
>> too knew nothing. I said that The other shop has them available and
>> the shop is decked out in NextG promotional banners, posters, etc..
>> Oh, was all she said...
>>
>> I dunno how long it was before they started selling NextG products
>> as I ended up getting the phone from the other mob.
>>
>> So, there may well be some truth to Telstra giving selected
>> dealers/resellers preferential treatment. I wonder if Optus and other
>> mobile phone companies do the same.
> If these`allegations are true, wouldn't these be of interest to the ACCC..??
Nope, perfectly legal to do that.
- 01-16-2007, 09:04 PM #26Jeremy QuirkeGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
"Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:37:32 +0900 Jonathan Wilson may have written:
>> Screw Nokia, go buy the Motorola RAZR V6 and get a NextG phone right now
>>
>
> Does it do 2100MHz UMTS?
>
> I want 3G global roaming... GPRS makes me cry and not that many overseas
> networks appear to have rolled out EDGE yet.
>
Actually quite a few do, USA, Canada, most countries in Europe, quite a
few
countries here in south America, China, India, SE Asia, even a few in
Africa.
On the topic of 2100MHz UMTS, I picked up a UMTS network on my
UMTS2100-only
phone in San Diego, CA last week (and it definitely wasn't in Mexico -
too
far north of the border), however I believe this would have been a test
site
on T-Mobile's unique 1700/2100 network (and thus my handset would not
have
been able to transmit on it).
- 01-16-2007, 10:28 PM #27AlbinusGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
Jeremy Quirke wrote:
> On the topic of 2100MHz UMTS, I picked up a UMTS network on my
> UMTS2100-only
> phone in San Diego, CA last week (and it definitely wasn't in Mexico -
> too
> far north of the border), however I believe this would have been a test
> site
> on T-Mobile's unique 1700/2100 network (and thus my handset would not
> have
> been able to transmit on it).
But unlike Telstra, T-Mobile actually have a large customer base so they
won't be stuck with a pitiful range of handsets when the proprietary
network is launched *cough*Next G*cough*
Build the network and the handsets will come... provided there are
actually enough customers to make the handset design worthwhile!
- 01-17-2007, 07:08 AM #28davmelGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
Albinus wrote:
> Jeremy Quirke wrote:
>
>> On the topic of 2100MHz UMTS, I picked up a UMTS network on my
>> UMTS2100-only
>> phone in San Diego, CA last week (and it definitely wasn't in Mexico -
>> too
>> far north of the border), however I believe this would have been a test
>> site
>> on T-Mobile's unique 1700/2100 network (and thus my handset would not
>> have been able to transmit on it).
>
> But unlike Telstra, T-Mobile actually have a large customer base so they
> won't be stuck with a pitiful range of handsets when the proprietary
> network is launched *cough*Next G*cough*
Large customer base???? T-Mobile has 17mil customers and wants to launch
with a UMTS network frequency band pair that NO other telco in the
world plans to use (due to the GSM 1800 band being used elsewhere)
whereas Cingular with a 50 million strong customer base is using the 850
network band for UMTS that is currently used in three countries.
T-Mobile 3G subscribers are the ones that will be stuck with the
greatest limitation in handsets, since they will be required to support
the oddball 1700/2100 Tx/Rx pair with the base stations transmitting in
the 1700 band and receiving in the 2100 band, whereas the most common
UMTS 2100 band has the base station transmit in the 2100 band and
receive in the 1900 MHz allocation.
- 01-17-2007, 10:53 AM #29Jeremy QuirkeGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
"davmel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Albinus wrote:
> > Jeremy Quirke wrote:
> >
> >> On the topic of 2100MHz UMTS, I picked up a UMTS network on my
> >> UMTS2100-only
> >> phone in San Diego, CA last week (and it definitely wasn't in Mexico -
> >> too
> >> far north of the border), however I believe this would have been a test
> >> site
> >> on T-Mobile's unique 1700/2100 network (and thus my handset would not
> >> have been able to transmit on it).
> >
> > But unlike Telstra, T-Mobile actually have a large customer base so they
> > won't be stuck with a pitiful range of handsets when the proprietary
> > network is launched *cough*Next G*cough*
>
> Large customer base???? T-Mobile has 17mil customers and wants to launch
> with a UMTS network frequency band pair that NO other telco in the
> world plans to use (due to the GSM 1800 band being used elsewhere)
> whereas Cingular with a 50 million strong customer base is using the 850
> network band for UMTS that is currently used in three countries.
>
> T-Mobile 3G subscribers are the ones that will be stuck with the
> greatest limitation in handsets, since they will be required to support
> the oddball 1700/2100 Tx/Rx pair with the base stations transmitting in
> the 1700 band and receiving in the 2100 band, whereas the most common
> UMTS 2100 band has the base station transmit in the 2100 band and
> receive in the 1900 MHz allocation.
Actually a minor correction - the NodeB/BTS transmits in 2100 and UE in
1700 (which explains why I could see the network on my plain old
UMTS2100 handset). But I agree that we're creating the GSM1900/850
situation all over again, but T-Mobile is probably the worst example
yet of custom frequency use.
- 01-17-2007, 07:52 PM #30davmelGuest
Re: Telstras Next G
Jeremy Quirke wrote:
>
> "davmel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> T-Mobile 3G subscribers are the ones that will be stuck with the
>> greatest limitation in handsets, since they will be required to support
>> the oddball 1700/2100 Tx/Rx pair with the base stations transmitting in
>> the 1700 band and receiving in the 2100 band, whereas the most common
>> UMTS 2100 band has the base station transmit in the 2100 band and
>> receive in the 1900 MHz allocation.
>
> Actually a minor correction - the NodeB/BTS transmits in 2100 and UE in
> 1700 (which explains why I could see the network on my plain old
> UMTS2100 handset). But I agree that we're creating the GSM1900/850
> situation all over again, but T-Mobile is probably the worst example
> yet of custom frequency use.
OK, good to confirm that since it makes sense that the mobile handset
transmits with lower power on a lower frequency than the BTS if at all
possible, however I remember seeing details that the opposite was true
when the spectrum was auctioned off.
The silly part is that thanks to T-Mobile and the FCC we will now
require quad band GSM and quad band UMTS handsets for true roaming
capability (and that's before the yanks get into the 450 and 700 MHz
band potential deployments and Europe considers UMTS at 900.)
If any network will be the odd one out though it will be T-Mobile since
the frequency pair just won't be used anywhere else. They should have
waited and saved up for the ex-broadcast TV 700 band spectrum.
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