Optus business wrote me a nice letter

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> ...telling me that because of their free calls between mobiles on the
> same account, I've saved 24% over the past 3 months.

Correct. If you didnt have that benefit, your call costs would have been 24%
more.

> They neglected to add that we don't use all of our included calls each
> month, which completely negates this benefit.........

Customer stupidity is not their problem.

You saved 24% by having that benefit. If you didnt have it, your calls would
have b een 24% higher.
>

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> I make very few calls, therefore I'm on the lowest price plan. It is
> impossible to pay any less. I guess that makes me stupid.
Have you considered Prepaid? Given that you claim to make very few calls,
prepaid may be cheaper than a plan.
You do need to remember to put more money in when it runs out though

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mar 22, 7:18 am, "Michael J" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > They neglected to add that we don't use all of our included calls each
>> > month, which completely negates this benefit.........
>>
>> Customer stupidity is not their problem.
>
> I make very few calls, therefore I'm on the lowest price plan. It is
> impossible to pay any less. I guess that makes me stupid.

No, quite the opposite. A stupid customer is one that does not use all of
their included calls, and is not on the lowest plan.

ie. a customer on a $50 plan who makes $10 worth of calls a month.

Customer stupidity is not your telco's problem

>
> http://satin.sensation.net.au/rowan/...gtomichael.gif
>

"rebel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 22 Mar 2007 23:11:50 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Mar 22, 7:18 am, "Michael J" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> > They neglected to add that we don't use all of our included calls each
>>> > month, which completely negates this benefit.........
>>>
>>> Customer stupidity is not their problem.
>>
>>I make very few calls, therefore I'm on the lowest price plan. It is
>>impossible to pay any less.
>
> unless you get off all plans. Whwtehr that works for you depends on just
> how
> few calls you make. Plans are not the best fit for ppl who make "very few
> calls".

Rubbish and bull****t./

Plenty of $0 SIMs out there - suits people who make "very few calls"
>
>>I guess that makes me stupid.
>
> no, just not aware of the other possibilities.

> I make very few calls, therefore I'm on the lowest price plan. It is
> impossible to pay any less.

Not true!

We still have two Vodafone "No Plans" which actually costs zero. The only
stipulation is that you make one call a year & as long as you make one call
each year then the plan remains active. Admittedly they are a few years old
& no longer available but in truth you aren't on the "lowest plan" & it is
possible to pay less!

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:05:56 GMT, "Michael J" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"rebel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 22 Mar 2007 23:11:50 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>On Mar 22, 7:18 am, "Michael J" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> > They neglected to add that we don't use all of our included calls each
>>>> > month, which completely negates this benefit.........
>>>>
>>>> Customer stupidity is not their problem.
>>>
>>>I make very few calls, therefore I'm on the lowest price plan. It is
>>>impossible to pay any less.
>>
>> unless you get off all plans. Whwtehr that works for you depends on just
>> how
>> few calls you make. Plans are not the best fit for ppl who make "very few
>> calls".
>
>Rubbish and bull****t./
>
>Plenty of $0 SIMs out there - suits people who make "very few calls"

which has got to make those cheaper than plans, no? (which WAS my point)


>>>I guess that makes me stupid.
>>
>> no, just not aware of the other possibilities.
>

rebel <[email protected]> wrote
> Michael J <[email protected]> wrote
>> rebel <[email protected]> wrote
>>> [email protected] wrote
>>>> Michael J <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>> [email protected] wrote

>>>>>> They neglected to add that we don't use all of our included
>>>>>> calls each month, which completely negates this benefit.........

>>>>> Customer stupidity is not their problem.

>>>> I make very few calls, therefore I'm on the lowest price plan.
>>>> Itis impossible to pay any less.

>>> unless you get off all plans. Whwtehr that works for you depends on just how
>>> few calls you make. Plans are not the best fit for ppl who make "very few calls".

>> Rubbish and bull****t./

>> Plenty of $0 SIMs out there - suits people who make "very few calls"

> which has got to make those cheaper than plans, no?

Those are still plans.

> (which WAS my point)

Its a dud.

>>>> I guess that makes me stupid.

>>> no, just not aware of the other possibilities.

Jonathan Wilson <[email protected]> wrote:

>> I make very few calls, therefore I'm on the lowest price plan. It is impossible to pay any less.
>> I guess that makes me stupid.

> Have you considered Prepaid? Given that you claim to make very few calls, prepaid may be cheaper
> than a plan.

Unlikely to be cheaper than a $0 sim given that virtually all prepaid
has a hidden monthly charge in the expiry of the credits.

> You do need to remember to put more money in when it runs out though

Not necessarily, some automatically recharge.

Krusty said....

> We still have two Vodafone "No Plans" which actually costs zero. The
> only stipulation is that you make one call a year & as long as you make
> one call each year then the plan remains active. Admittedly they are a
> few years old & no longer available but in truth you aren't on the
> "lowest plan" & it is possible to pay less!

Mate's on something like that with either Telstra or one of the other
GSM providers. They keep calling him to try and get him onto a more
"modern" and "progressive" and "exciting and fantastic" (for DD Bell's
benefit) plan that would invariably cost him heaps more. Keeps telling
them to stop annoying him - he's on this plan and he's sticking to it.
It's all he needs.

Michael J said...

>> them to stop annoying him - he's on this plan and he's sticking to it.
>> It's all he needs.
>
> Heh, not for long.

Just spoke to the lad. Apparently he's with Vodaphone, not Telstra. Been
with them for yonks. On a "pay as you go" plan. If he makes no calls
then he's not billed anything.

About 3 years ago they called him to try and get him to change to a plan
with "more benefits". They got his missus and tried to get her to change
it for him. She asked the guy if he thought she was a moron. Why would
she want to go to a plan that would cost them more. And in any case they
were on a contract and had no intention of moving off it.

> Telstra is force-migrating most of their customers off "legacy" plans in
> April - June. Not all plans, but most of the legacy ones.
>
> There are still some customers on 020, STA, 080, 130, 240!
> But not for long

What are these "020, STA" etc.?

[email protected] wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Jonathan Wilson <[email protected]> wrote

>>>> I make very few calls, therefore I'm on the lowest price plan.
>>>> It is impossible to pay any less. I guess that makes me stupid.

>>> Have you considered Prepaid? Given that you claim to make
>>> very few calls, prepaid may be cheaper than a plan.

>> Unlikely to be cheaper than a $0 sim given that virtually all prepaid
>> has a hidden monthly charge in the expiry of the credits.

>>> You do need to remember to put more money in when it runs out though

>> Not necessarily, some automatically recharge.

> Some time ago you mentioned a "pay as you go" plan with Southern
> Cross Mobile, in which you keep a certain amount in credits,

I dont recall saying anything like that, can you post a link to
the post where you decided that that is what I was saying ?

The SC system doesnt require credits, its a traditional post paid system.

> which don't expire in time (as with prepaid). Although that is not
> necessarily the cheapest mobile costs, it would certainly eliminate
> the inconvenience of keeping your prepaid credits up to date (i.e.,
> utilizing all credits in time), and if you are not a big user (which
> would require a plan, rather than prepaid) that SCM scheme
> could be ideal -- if I have interpreted it properly.

Its just a standard post paid scheme.

> However, how would SCM make much profit, if all the freeloaders latched
> onto them, so presumably they would require a fairly hefty credit level.

Cant see that its any different for SCM than a standard post
paid scheme with some money up front to eliminate any credit
risk for SCM even if they did offer what you are talking about.

On Apr 5, 4:13 am, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote
>
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Jonathan Wilson <[email protected]> wrote
> >>>> I make very few calls, therefore I'm on the lowest price plan.
> >>>> It is impossible to pay any less. I guess that makes me stupid.
> >>> Have you considered Prepaid? Given that you claim to make
> >>> very few calls, prepaid may be cheaper than a plan.
> >> Unlikely to be cheaper than a $0 sim given that virtually all prepaid
> >> has a hidden monthly charge in the expiry of the credits.
> >>> You do need to remember to put more money in when it runs out though
> >> Not necessarily, some automatically recharge.
> > Some time ago you mentioned a "pay as you go" plan with Southern
> > Cross Mobile, in which you keep a certain amount in credits,
>
> I dont recall saying anything like that, can you post a link to
> the post where you decided that that is what I was saying ?

No can do, sorry. I guess I must have been mistaken. You simply
made a link to SCM, and I read about their "pay as you go" scheme. I
did actually contact them by phone shortly afterwards, and they said
that they did have such a scheme, where you just had to keep credits
topped up, and there was no time imperative. Anyway here is a link
where anyone can check it out -- http://www.scmobile.com.au/MobilePricing.htm

>
> The SC system doesnt require credits, its a traditional post paid system.
>
> > which don't expire in time (as with prepaid). Although that is not
> > necessarily the cheapest mobile costs, it would certainly eliminate
> > the inconvenience of keeping your prepaid credits up to date (i.e.,
> > utilizing all credits in time), and if you are not a big user (which
> > would require a plan, rather than prepaid) that SCM scheme
> > could be ideal -- if I have interpreted it properly.
>
> Its just a standard post paid scheme.
>
> > However, how would SCM make much profit, if all the freeloaders latched
> > onto them, so presumably they would require a fairly hefty credit level.
>
> Cant see that its any different for SCM than a standard post
> paid scheme with some money up front to eliminate any credit
> risk for SCM even if they did offer what you are talking about.