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  1. #1
    ODB
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    Well, I thought this was the phone to end all phones, but after having a
    good play with one at a friends place last night and realising that most
    streets are missing from the bloody map (!) .....poor effort.


    I hope you can install/upgrade the maps to proper, working ones. The excuse
    that its not really a GPS unit wont wash, if its there it should work
    properly, not half arsed....





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  2. #2
    Paul Day
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    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!

    On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:03:41 +1000 davmel may have written:
    > My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each


    I've never quite understood that price... The same updated mapping data
    also goes straight into my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude
    less. Do these map updates include some magical upgrade to the route
    finding algorithms that have required thousands of expensive man-hours
    of coding to complete?

    PD

    --
    Paul Day



  3. #3
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!

    Paul Day <[email protected]> wrote
    > davmel wrote


    >> My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each


    > I've never quite understood that price...


    Presumably its just another example of a newer
    technology gouging the early adopters while they can.

    > The same updated mapping data also goes straight into
    > my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude less.


    And costs them more to distribute in printed form too.

    > Do these map updates include some magical upgrade to
    > the route finding algorithms that have required thousands
    > of expensive man-hours of coding to complete?


    Obviously that was a sarcastic comment.





  4. #4
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!

    On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:00:00 +1000 Rod Speed may have written:
    > > The same updated mapping data also goes straight into
    > > my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude less.

    >
    > And costs them more to distribute in printed form too.


    True - a CD-ROM, when pressed in quantity, costs stuff all to press,
    charge for, handle and post.

    > > Do these map updates include some magical upgrade to
    > > the route finding algorithms that have required thousands
    > > of expensive man-hours of coding to complete?

    >
    > Obviously that was a sarcastic comment.


    No, reeeeeeeeallly??



    PD

    --
    Paul Day



  5. #5
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!

    Paul Day <[email protected]> wrote
    > Rod Speed wrote


    >>> The same updated mapping data also goes straight into
    >>> my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude less.


    >> And costs them more to distribute in printed form too.


    > True - a CD-ROM, when pressed in quantity,
    > costs stuff all to press, charge for, handle and post.


    And even less to have avalilable for download
    by those who have registered the product.





  6. #6
    davmel
    Guest

    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!

    Paul Day wrote:
    > On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:03:41 +1000 davmel may have written:
    >> My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each

    >
    > I've never quite understood that price... The same updated mapping data
    > also goes straight into my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude
    > less. Do these map updates include some magical upgrade to the route
    > finding algorithms that have required thousands of expensive man-hours
    > of coding to complete?


    The rather large price of updated vehicle mapping systems comes down to
    all the man hours required to input how many lanes there are on each
    road, which lane you need to be in to make a turn etc, detailed traffic
    intersection details with lane turning restrictions, plus exact
    locations for every address (not just streets but the exact location of
    a number on that street) etc etc.... The list goes on and on with a
    massive list of details that need to be entered, with optimised routes
    between locations and accurate travel times based on what the stored
    speed limit is for particular roads.
    So there's a great deal more information available than your typical
    static map image and it all takes a huge number of man hours to enter
    and verify for accuracy.



  7. #7
    alxr
    Guest

    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!

    I use Tomtom for routing and SmartComGPS for moving map.

    SmartcomGPS can use Oziexplorer maps and/or convert/make own.

    www.wild-mobile.com


    The nokia maps are half-assed indeed.

    alx
    N80

    "ODB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Well, I thought this was the phone to end all phones, but after having a
    > good play with one at a friends place last night and realising that most
    > streets are missing from the bloody map (!) .....poor effort.
    >
    >
    > I hope you can install/upgrade the maps to proper, working ones. The
    > excuse that its not really a GPS unit wont wash, if its there it should
    > work properly, not half arsed....
    >






  8. #8
    Two Bob
    Guest

    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!

    >> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:03:41 +1000 davmel may have written:
    >>> My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each

    >>
    >> I've never quite understood that price... The same updated mapping data
    >> also goes straight into my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude
    >> less. Do these map updates include some magical upgrade to the route
    >> finding algorithms that have required thousands of expensive man-hours of
    >> coding to complete?

    >
    > The rather large price of updated vehicle mapping systems comes down to
    > all the man hours required to input how many lanes there are on each road,
    > which lane you need to be in to make a turn etc, detailed traffic
    > intersection details with lane turning restrictions, plus exact locations
    > for every address (not just streets but the exact location of a number on
    > that street) etc etc.... The list goes on and on with a massive list of
    > details that need to be entered, with optimised routes between locations
    > and accurate travel times based on what the stored speed limit is for
    > particular roads.
    > So there's a great deal more information available than your typical
    > static map image and it all takes a huge number of man hours to enter and
    > verify for accuracy.


    Where do you get the equipment to handle all that data? All the units I have
    seen, including my Navman, only average the data. Cant even tell you which
    side of the street a particular address is.
    The only reason they charge the prices they do is because of the maps cover
    a larger area, eg. if you were to purchase a directory for all the major
    cities, the price would be many hundreds of dollars more. Though, most ppl
    are not interested in accurate map detail of somewhere on the other side of
    the country. And country Victoria is something else! They should issue a
    refund for them, because they are so inaccurate.





  9. #9
    alxr
    Guest

    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!

    Tried TomTom?

    Handles it fine. Hey, yes there are inaccuracies in route planning and such.

    All up, Australia fits on a 128 meg card with heaps to spare.

    "Two Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:03:41 +1000 davmel may have written:
    >>>> My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each
    >>>
    >>> I've never quite understood that price... The same updated mapping data
    >>> also goes straight into my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude
    >>> less. Do these map updates include some magical upgrade to the route
    >>> finding algorithms that have required thousands of expensive man-hours
    >>> of coding to complete?

    >>
    >> The rather large price of updated vehicle mapping systems comes down to
    >> all the man hours required to input how many lanes there are on each
    >> road, which lane you need to be in to make a turn etc, detailed traffic
    >> intersection details with lane turning restrictions, plus exact locations
    >> for every address (not just streets but the exact location of a number on
    >> that street) etc etc.... The list goes on and on with a massive list of
    >> details that need to be entered, with optimised routes between locations
    >> and accurate travel times based on what the stored speed limit is for
    >> particular roads.
    >> So there's a great deal more information available than your typical
    >> static map image and it all takes a huge number of man hours to enter and
    >> verify for accuracy.

    >
    > Where do you get the equipment to handle all that data? All the units I
    > have seen, including my Navman, only average the data. Cant even tell you
    > which side of the street a particular address is.
    > The only reason they charge the prices they do is because of the maps
    > cover a larger area, eg. if you were to purchase a directory for all the
    > major cities, the price would be many hundreds of dollars more. Though,
    > most ppl are not interested in accurate map detail of somewhere on the
    > other side of the country. And country Victoria is something else! They
    > should issue a refund for them, because they are so inaccurate.
    >
    >






  10. #10
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!

    Two Bob <[email protected]> wrote

    >>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:03:41 +1000 davmel may have written:
    >>>> My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each


    >>> I've never quite understood that price... The same updated mapping
    >>> data also goes straight into my street map book, yet it costs me a
    >>> magnitude less. Do these map updates include some magical upgrade
    >>> to the route finding algorithms that have required thousands of
    >>> expensive man-hours of coding to complete?


    >> The rather large price of updated vehicle mapping systems comes down
    >> to all the man hours required to input how many lanes there are on
    >> each road, which lane you need to be in to make a turn etc, detailed
    >> traffic intersection details with lane turning restrictions, plus
    >> exact locations for every address (not just streets but the exact
    >> location of a number on that street) etc etc.... The list goes on
    >> and on with a massive list of details that need to be entered, with
    >> optimised routes between locations and accurate travel times based
    >> on what the stored speed limit is for particular roads.
    >> So there's a great deal more information available than your typical
    >> static map image and it all takes a huge number of man hours to
    >> enter and verify for accuracy.


    > Where do you get the equipment to handle all that data?


    Nothing special required, anything that can run google.maps will do that fine.

    > All the units I have seen, including my Navman, only average the data. Cant even tell you which
    > side of the street a particular address is.


    You need to get out more. The TomTom 710 and 910 gets
    the side of the street right, and so does google.maps.

    google.maps even shows the invididual properly boundarys so you can
    trivially see the unusual block shapes etc when say buying real estate etc.

    > The only reason they charge the prices they do is because of the maps
    > cover a larger area, eg. if you were to purchase a directory for all
    > the major cities, the price would be many hundreds of dollars more.


    Wrong, you can buy all the capital city books for a lot less than the electronic format price.

    And its obviously free to have the whole world with google.maps

    > Though, most ppl are not interested in accurate map detail of somewhere on the other side of the
    > country.


    Most is irrelevant to the price being discussed.

    > And country Victoria is something else! They should issue a refund for them, because they are so
    > inaccurate.


    Country NSW is fine with the TomTom maps with the exception of the
    lack of street numbers and the POI detail. The POI is weird, you get some
    stuff fine like my car dealer but not the local airport for some reason.





  11. #11
    Two Bob
    Guest

    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!

    > And country Victoria is something else! They should issue a refund for
    > them, because they are so
    >> inaccurate.

    >
    > Country NSW is fine with the TomTom maps with the exception of the
    > lack of street numbers and the POI detail. The POI is weird, you get some
    > stuff fine like my car dealer but not the local airport for some reason.



    Maybe they would rather you travel by car than fly.





  12. #12
    Michael J
    Guest

    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!


    "Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:03:41 +1000 davmel may have written:
    >> My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each

    >
    > I've never quite understood that price... The same updated mapping data
    > also goes straight into my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude


    Volume of sales





  13. #13
    alxr
    Guest

    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!

    SmartcomGPS...I bought it...says something about the useability.

    Comparing moving map and routing softwares is apples and lemons territory.
    Not much use.

    I use the Smartcom for different needs (eg country touring or more detailed
    at-a-glance viewing of surrounding as per paper maps.

    SmartcomGPS handles the 100meg file size for some of the Syd or Melb cap
    cities, easily tiling in and out of available memory.

    Anything that Oziexplorer supports is readily converted for use on Smartcom.

    Using anything from NRMA maps, HEMA, Cartoscope (regional touring maps).



    "mrripcurl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >A post on Symbian-freak suggests that Tom Tom not work with N95 GPS.
    > SmartCom looks worth investigating. Nok offering an add-on (for a
    > price) for routing but no-one I know seems to have bought it! The
    > other trouble is the GPS is a very simple (and old) model so very slow
    > to come on-line at start and loses detail in hazy weather, built-up
    > areas, and if you moving "too fast". It operates from the bottom of
    > the unit rather than the top, and really needs the slider out! Better
    > off with HP or similar and proper GPS. However, as a intro model that
    > answers everyone's wish list to a certain extent the N95 is
    > interesting - pty the memory is so poor!
    >
    > On Apr 26, 4:14 pm, "alxr" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> I use Tomtom for routing and SmartComGPS for moving map.
    >>
    >> SmartcomGPS can use Oziexplorer maps and/or convert/make own.
    >>
    >> www.wild-mobile.com
    >>
    >> The nokia maps are half-assed indeed.
    >>
    >> alx
    >> N80
    >>
    >> "ODB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> > Well, I thought this was the phone to end all phones, but after having
    >> > a
    >> > good play with one at a friends place last night and realising that
    >> > most
    >> > streets are missing from the bloody map (!) .....poor effort.

    >>
    >> > I hope you can install/upgrade the maps to proper, working ones. The
    >> > excuse that its not really a GPS unit wont wash, if its there it should
    >> > work properly, not half arsed....- Hide quoted text -

    >>
    >> - Show quoted text -

    >
    >






  14. #14
    shark
    Guest

    Re: Nokia N95 GPS maps are ****!


    The N95 Australian maps have now been updated. With this update I have
    also found the search by address function is not dependant of server
    connection and is very accurate. Also the moving maps function is more
    accurate ie. Follows the road precisely. To update the maps use the
    nokia map loader.


    --
    shark



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