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  1. #16
    Pagey
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    Re: Emergency calls.


    "John Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Graeme Willox wrote:
    >
    >> I think the main difference though is that whether a network
    >> feature or handset feature, 112 is written into the GSM specs,
    >> whereas 000 and 911 aren't. Depending upon the origin of the
    >> handset, 000 or 911 may or may not work, but 112 will always
    >> work on a GSM network.

    >
    > Just to add some extra redundancy, the 000/999/911 to 112 lookup
    > can done via the SIM as well.
    >
    > All the numbers listed in the SIM's EF_ECC (emergency call
    > codes) file, at SIM address 6FB7 get mapped to 112. This is
    > the same for 2G GSM and 3G UMTS phones.
    >
    > John


    So how does the phone/network determine if the call is to "911" or
    "911#####"?

    If you dial three '0's by accident you get put through to emegrency (eg
    00011 instead of 0011) - should this therefore also occur with '911'?

    Pagey





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  2. #17
    Simon Templar
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    Re: Emergency calls.

    On May 15, 11:22 pm, "Pagey" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > So how does the phone/network determine if the call is to "911" or
    > "911#####"?
    >
    > If you dial three '0's by accident you get put through to emegrency (eg
    > 00011 instead of 0011) - should this therefore also occur with '911'?


    The phone looks at the entire string of numbers before dialing, it
    looks at the entire number rather than individual numbers. So I
    expect only if you accidently dialled 00011 or similiar it would still
    make the call but not as an Emergency call on the network so you would
    not get any priority.

    As John said it is best to dial 112 every time, it is the most
    reliable of the lot and you can dial with the keypad locked. I always
    use 112 from my mobile phone if I need to instead of 000.

    Does anyone remember the 000 bug in the old Ericsson phones? You had
    to dial 0000 to make sure they call would get through! That was the
    time I owned my first and last Ericsson (crap), at least it got me
    into the habit of dialling 112.


    --
    The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I
    may belong to.

    73 de Simon, VK3XEM.






  3. #18
    John Henderson
    Guest

    Re: Emergency calls.

    Pagey wrote:

    > So how does the phone/network determine if the call is to
    > "911" or "911#####"?


    The number has to be an exact match, on each digit, and on the
    total number of digits.

    In this respect it's different from a landline exchange. Once
    upon a time, "1800" numbers were "008". Until that change,
    lots of calls got misdirected to 000. Many people need to dial
    a leading zero at work to get an outside line. If they
    accidently dialled the extra zero at home when ringing a "008"
    number, they got 000, regardless of number length.

    John



  4. #19
    Michael J
    Guest

    Re: Emergency calls.


    "Pagey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "John Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Graeme Willox wrote:
    >>
    >>> I think the main difference though is that whether a network
    >>> feature or handset feature, 112 is written into the GSM specs,
    >>> whereas 000 and 911 aren't. Depending upon the origin of the
    >>> handset, 000 or 911 may or may not work, but 112 will always
    >>> work on a GSM network.

    >>
    >> Just to add some extra redundancy, the 000/999/911 to 112 lookup
    >> can done via the SIM as well.
    >>
    >> All the numbers listed in the SIM's EF_ECC (emergency call
    >> codes) file, at SIM address 6FB7 get mapped to 112. This is
    >> the same for 2G GSM and 3G UMTS phones.
    >>
    >> John

    >
    > So how does the phone/network determine if the call is to "911" or
    > "911#####"?


    Because its a mobile, it doesn't dial until you press send.





  5. #20
    Peelah Ben Arhna
    Guest

    Re: Emergency calls.

    Simon said....

    > Does anyone remember the 000 bug in the old Ericsson phones? You had
    > to dial 0000 to make sure they call would get through! That was the
    > time I owned my first and last Ericsson (crap), at least it got me
    > into the habit of dialling 112.


    What, have you had to dial emergency services a lot?





  6. #21
    Simon Templar
    Guest

    Re: Emergency calls.

    Peelah Ben Arhna wrote:
    > What, have you had to dial emergency services a lot?


    Yes, as a Security Officer and Volunteer in Emergency Services it is not
    unusual to make calls to 000.


    --
    The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
    belong to.

    73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
    <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452>



  7. #22
    Matt
    Guest

    Re: Emergency calls.


    "Simon Templar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Peelah Ben Arhna wrote:
    >> What, have you had to dial emergency services a lot?

    >
    > Yes, as a Security Officer and Volunteer in Emergency Services it is not
    > unusual to make calls to 000.


    Security GUARD - you are not sworn into your position and you most certainly
    hold no authority or command.





  8. #23
    Simon Templar
    Guest

    Re: Emergency calls.

    Matt wrote:
    > Security GUARD - you are not sworn into your position and you most certainly
    > hold no authority or command.


    Did I say I did? Just that is not unusual for someone in my position to
    make calls to 000.


    --
    The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
    belong to.

    73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
    <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452>



  9. #24
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Emergency calls.

    Simon Templar <[email protected]> wrote
    > Matt wrote
    >> Simon Templar <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Peelah Ben Arhna wrote


    >>>> What, have you had to dial emergency services a lot?


    >>> Yes, as a Security Officer and Volunteer in Emergency Services it is not unusual to make calls
    >>> to 000.


    >> Security GUARD - you are not sworn into your position and you most certainly hold no authority or
    >> command.


    > Did I say I did? Just that is not unusual for someone in my position to make calls to 000.


    He's sneering at your use of the word OFFICER, stupid.

    And it should be APE anyway.





  10. #25
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: Emergency calls.

    On Sat, 19 May 2007 22:40:07 +1000 Simon Templar may have written:
    > > Security GUARD - you are not sworn into your position and you most certainly
    > > hold no authority or command.

    >
    > Did I say I did?


    You implied it by your use of the word "officer".

    PD

    --
    Paul Day



  11. #26
    Michael J
    Guest

    Re: Emergency calls.


    "Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Simon Templar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Peelah Ben Arhna wrote:
    >>> What, have you had to dial emergency services a lot?

    >>
    >> Yes, as a Security Officer and Volunteer in Emergency Services it is not
    >> unusual to make calls to 000.

    >
    > Security GUARD - you are not sworn into your position and you most
    > certainly hold no authority or command.


    The word "officer" has no special connotations.






  12. #27
    Simon Templar
    Guest

    Re: Emergency calls.

    Michael J wrote:
    > The word "officer" has no special connotations.


    Nor was it meant to in my post, just some people like to play word games
    to suit themselves.


    --
    The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
    belong to.

    73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
    <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452>



  13. #28
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Emergency calls.

    Michael J <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >>
    >> "Simon Templar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>> Peelah Ben Arhna wrote:
    >>>> What, have you had to dial emergency services a lot?
    >>>
    >>> Yes, as a Security Officer and Volunteer in Emergency Services it
    >>> is not unusual to make calls to 000.

    >>
    >> Security GUARD - you are not sworn into your position and you most
    >> certainly hold no authority or command.

    >
    > The word "officer" has no special connotations.


    Wrong, as always.





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