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  1. #1
    Jonathan Wilson
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    I see lots of people here criticizing Next G, calling it Extra G or Last G.
    What do people have against Next G? Telstra are using the same UMTS and
    HSDPA standards as 3 Mobile and many other carriers worldwide (especially
    in Europe). My only criticism with Next G is the way they try to force the
    cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your throats instead of the superior
    phones from major players like Motorola.



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  2. #2
    Simon Templar
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?

    Jonathan Wilson wrote:
    > My only criticism with Next G is the way they
    > try to force the cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your throats
    > instead of the superior phones from major players like Motorola.


    A friend of mine was with Tel$tra since the analogue days and a few
    months ago was due to upgrade. He requested an N95 and Tel$tra said NO
    it doesn't meet the standards of the 3G (2100MHz) network, which is the
    biggest load of CRAP out considering it shares the same network with 3
    who sell the N95!

    My friend is now on 3 with an N95 and spending less than half of what he
    was on Tel$tra AND using the phone MORE.

    Considering Tel$tra are forcing **** like the ZTE on customers it is
    obvious the only reason the N95 doesn't meet Tel$tra's is because the
    couldn't get them at the price they wanted!

    So much for standards!


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  3. #3
    Rod Speed
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?

    Jonathan Wilson <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I see lots of people here criticizing Next G, calling it Extra G or Last G. What do people have against Next G?


    Three things, it uses a band that no one else bothers
    with for that mode, so the choice of handset is pathetic.

    The other problem is that most of those who find cdma is fine for what they
    want to do have no need to change to NextG if it wasnt for the arsehole yanks
    deciding to turn the cdma system off to force everyone to change over.

    The data charges are a complete ripoff.

    > Telstra are using the same UMTS and HSDPA standards as 3 Mobile and many other carriers worldwide (especially in
    > Europe).


    But they dont use the same band.

    > My only criticism with Next G is the way they try to force the cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your throats
    > instead of the superior phones from major players like Motorola.


    The main problem is the pathetic choice of handsets.





  4. #4
    John Henderson
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?

    Will Kemp wrote:

    > No they're not. They're using 850MHz UMTS - that's not what
    > they use in Europe. I'm going to Europe soon and i'll only be
    > able to use my Samsung phone on the GSM network, cos it's not
    > compatible with European UMTS networks.
    >
    >> My only criticism with Next G is the way they
    >> try to force the cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your
    >> throats instead of the superior phones from major players
    >> like Motorola.

    >
    > That's because manufacturers don't want to make special phones
    > for a very small Australian market.


    They're counting on 850 MHz UMTS taking off in the USA, driving
    the availability of handsets.

    There's a problem with the proliferation of UMTS frequencies in
    the USA though. Live UMTS networks there use 850 and 1900 MHz,
    not the 850 and 2100 MHz we use here. But there are planned US
    UMTS networks using 2100 and 1700 MHz. See
    http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml

    John

    > Telstra are up to their usual stupid tricks and making sure
    > people in rural areas are disadvantaged when they take their
    > phones anywhere else.






  5. #5
    Spokes
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?

    On Oct 3, 9:28 am, John Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Will Kemp wrote:
    > > No they're not. They're using 850MHz UMTS - that's not what
    > > they use in Europe. I'm going to Europe soon and i'll only be
    > > able to use my Samsung phone on the GSM network, cos it's not
    > > compatible with European UMTS networks.

    >
    > >> My only criticism with Next G is the way they
    > >> try to force the cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your
    > >> throats instead of the superior phones from major players
    > >> like Motorola.

    >
    > > That's because manufacturers don't want to make special phones
    > > for a very small Australian market.

    >
    > They're counting on 850 MHz UMTS taking off in the USA, driving
    > the availability of handsets.
    >
    > There's a problem with the proliferation of UMTS frequencies in
    > the USA though. Live UMTS networks there use 850 and 1900 MHz,
    > not the 850 and 2100 MHz we use here. But there are planned US
    > UMTS networks using 2100 and 1700 MHz. Seehttp://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
    >
    > John
    >
    >
    >
    > > Telstra are up to their usual stupid tricks and making sure
    > > people in rural areas are disadvantaged when they take their
    > > phones anywhere else.- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    According to gsm world, there's about 70 carriers in the USA, 27 of
    which are 850 and one is the planned 1700.




  6. #6
    Paul Day
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?

    On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:53:13 -0700 Spokes may have written:
    > > - Show quoted text -


    > According to gsm world, there's about 70 carriers in the USA, 27 of
    > which are 850


    Only two (2) of which are _3G_ 850, one which apepars to be a new small
    ma and pa operation. So that really only leavs AT&T and Telstra as the
    only two in the world with UMTS at 850MHz, with Telstra being the first
    cab off the rank.

    They will come though... 850 and 900MHz UMTS has its distinct advantages
    and others are looking into it (eg, Optus and Telecom NZ).

    PD

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    Paul Day



  7. #7
    Matt Richards
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?


    "Simon Templar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Jonathan Wilson wrote:
    > > My only criticism with Next G is the way they
    > > try to force the cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your throats
    > > instead of the superior phones from major players like Motorola.

    >
    > A friend of mine was with Tel$tra since the analogue days and a few
    > months ago was due to upgrade. He requested an N95 and Tel$tra said NO
    > it doesn't meet the standards of the 3G (2100MHz) network, which is the
    > biggest load of CRAP out considering it shares the same network with 3
    > who sell the N95!


    NextG is not UMTS-2100MHz. It is 850MHz, not all handsets support UMTS-850.

    Telstra/3 have their shared 2100MHz network, the N95 will work fine on that.
    Telstra will happily sell you a Nokia 6120C, which can talk UMTS-850.

    Matt.





  8. #8
    Paul Day
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?

    On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:14:56 +1000 Matt Richards may have written:
    > NextG is not UMTS-2100MHz. It is 850MHz, not all handsets support UMTS-850.


    s/not all/few/

    > Telstra/3 have their shared 2100MHz network, the N95 will work fine on
    > that. Telstra will happily sell you a Nokia 6120C, which can talk
    > UMTS-850.


    ....and UMTS 2100. Handy for when you're roaming overseas and still want
    useable data speeds/latency. POP3SSL over GPRS back to Oz is painful.

    PD

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    Paul Day



  9. #9
    Paul Day
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?

    On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:29:32 -0000 Paul Day may have written:
    > Only two (2) of which are _3G_ 850, one which apepars to be a new small
    > ma and pa operation. So that really only leavs AT&T and Telstra as the
    > only two in the world with UMTS at 850MHz, with Telstra being the first
    > cab off the rank.


    Actually, I think Rogers in Canada have/are deploying one too.

    PD

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    Paul Day



  10. #10
    thegoons
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?


    "Jonathan Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I see lots of people here criticizing Next G, calling it Extra G or Last G.


    Like it or lump it. Makes absolutely no sense to
    allow telstra to rape the consumer using NextG.

    > What do people have against Next G? Telstra are using the same UMTS and
    > HSDPA standards as 3 Mobile and many other carriers worldwide (especially
    > in Europe). My only criticism with Next G is the way they try to force the
    > cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your throats instead of the superior
    > phones from major players like Motorola.




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  11. #11
    Michael
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?


    "Jonathan Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I see lots of people here criticizing Next G, calling it Extra G or Last G.
    >What do people have against Next G? Telstra are using the same UMTS and
    >HSDPA standards as 3 Mobile and many other carriers worldwide (especially


    Dunno, most of the people here are just a pack of wankers





  12. #12
    Marts
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?

    Jonathan Wilson wrote...

    > I see lots of people here criticizing Next G, calling it Extra G or Last G.
    > What do people have against Next G? Telstra are using the same UMTS and


    I'm a NextG customer. Technically it's OK, insofar as making calls go. Its data
    services aren't that flash. I've played with video calls. They were nothing like
    the ads that I'm seeing on TV at the moment. The images on the ads make it look
    like fluid broadcast quality. WHereas my experience is akin to a jerky webcam.

    Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the minimum speed
    that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 kbps.

    Then there is the cost of data. Casual "pay as you go" rates are expensive. You
    can buy data packs but while not as expensive as the other rates, they're still
    not cheap, and for the average user, I doubt that you'd want to use it that
    much.

    As for the phones, I can only speak of the Samsung A501 and more recently, a
    Palm Treo 750. As phones go, the Samsung's a better bit of gear. But the Palm is
    pretty nifty with its PDA and "smart" phone features.

    I've yet to test the Palm's reception qualities out of town. If it performs
    better than what the Samsung did down Phillip Island next weekend, I'll be
    happy.




  13. #13
    davmel
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?

    Marts wrote:
    > Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the minimum speed
    > that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 kbps.


    How where you using the phone as a modem? Bluetooth? USB? I regularly
    get 2Mbps+

    > Then there is the cost of data. Casual "pay as you go" rates are expensive. You
    > can buy data packs but while not as expensive as the other rates, they're still
    > not cheap, and for the average user, I doubt that you'd want to use it that
    > much.


    The casual PAYG rate has dropped from $15/MB to $2/MB in the past week
    so that is a HUGE cut in data rates plus the value of the data packs has
    increased significantly as well.



  14. #14
    Rod Speed
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?

    davmel <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Marts wrote:
    >> Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the
    >> minimum speed that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 kbps.

    >
    > How where you using the phone as a modem? Bluetooth? USB? I regularly
    > get 2Mbps+
    >
    >> Then there is the cost of data. Casual "pay as you go" rates are
    >> expensive. You can buy data packs but while not as expensive as the
    >> other rates, they're still not cheap, and for the average user, I
    >> doubt that you'd want to use it that much.


    > The casual PAYG rate has dropped from $15/MB to $2/MB in the past week so that is a HUGE cut in data rates


    Pity its STILL a complete ****ing ripoff.

    > plus the value of the data packs has increased significantly as well.


    Pity its STILL a complete ****ing ripoff.





  15. #15
    Paul Day
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    Re: What is wrong with Next G?

    On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:00:35 +1000 davmel may have written:
    > The casual PAYG rate has dropped from $15/MB to $2/MB in the past week
    > so that is a HUGE cut in data rates plus the value of the data packs
    > has increased significantly as well.


    1.5c/kB to 0.2c/kB? Got a URL to that one? Any idea if the data packs
    are going down similarly?

    PD

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