Telstra forcing me off CDMA

Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:gjl8i3lq3gf197ctsu3as48rafdbepqose@marts_57.com...
>> Spokes wrote...
>>
>>> incentives such as waiving early termination fees on your current
>>> plan if you migrate to Telstra nextg from your CDMA mobile or card.
>>
>> If Telstra has customers on plans that extend beyond the cut-off
>> date then how
>> can it continue to charge them for the plan?
>
> They cant, and wont
>
> Legally they cant charge ETCs on a service if THEY disconnect it on
> 28/1/8 for closure of network
>
> They can certainly charge ETCs now if YOU chose to terminate your
> contract, because thats your choice.
> However, they are not doing so
>
>> There would have to be provisions
>> under the Trade Practices Act that would force Telstra to offer such
>> "incentives", anyway.
>
> Apart from the issue of ETC waiving, Telstra owe you NOTHING, so they
> arent forced to offer you anything

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a ****ing clue about even the most basic
consumer law, and why you only ever get to clean the dunnys.

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"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "thegoons" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Why should I have to be forced into buying an expensive new NEXT-G fancy
>> handset, when it is Telstra forcing me off CDMA?
>
> No one is forcing you to buy a new handset, you can certainly use your
> CDMA up till 28/1/8 and then go without a phone
>
>> They made the decision to shut down their network, not me.
>
> Correct, as is THEIR prerogative with THEIR network
>
>>I signed up to CDMA in good faith that it was a new technology (newer than
>>GSM, the 'latest and greatest' according to The Hon. Tim Fisher aka
>>Fizzler back in 1999), yet they now claim it is an ageing relic.
>
> And the worlds moved on since 1999, love. It's 8 years later
>
> Telstra dont owe you anything
>
>> Surely this is against basic consumer law.
>
> No
> Thanks for asking
>
>>

Pity when Telstra will be challenged over this matter in the High Court of
Australia; class action initiated by Darryl Kerrigan, represented by Bud
Tingwell.
>>
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Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Spokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Oct 28, 6:02 pm, "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Just another bare faced lie. You still have the right to the
>>>>>> number for
>>>>>> quite
>>>>>> a while after the cdma system stops, even if it does stop on that
>>>>>> date.
>>>
>>>>> Don't bet on it.
>>>
>>>> No need to bet on anything. The only thing that makes any sense at
>>>> all is to wait and see how things turn out and not mindlessly
>>>> change now.
>>>
>>>>> The choice is clear:
>>>
>>>> Yep, wait and see how things pan out.
>>>
>>>>> migrate to nextg or gsm, or allow your service to be
>>>>> DEACTIVATED when the CDMA network is closed down.
>>>
>>>> Or wait and see how things pan out till say Jan and decide then.
>>>
>>>>> remember, you can't even port your number to another
>>>>> carrier if you want, unless it is an ACTIVE service.
>>>
>>>> Its still an ACTIVE service in Jan, stupid.
>>>
>>>>> Unless system protocols are drastically changed and
>>>>> there's absolutley no guarantee in this, you can't
>>>>> reactivate a CDMA number after that network is closed.
>>>
>>>> It aint closed in Jan, stupid.
>>>
>>> sure is lovey, it closes on 28 jan, meaning it will be closed on 29
>>> jan, that is in jan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> CDMA numbers with GSM prefixes on the Telstra network - maybe,
>>>
>>>> No maybe about it.
>>>
>>>>> and it's a maybe
>>>
>>>> Nope, not in Jan it aint, stupid.
>>>
>>>>> but don't hold your breath.
>>>
>>>> No need to hold your breath in Jan, fool.
>>>
>>>> <reams of your mindless puerile **** flushed where it belongs>
>>>
>>>> Wota ****ing moron.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> thank you michael...read your various posts today. roddles certainly
>> stuffed up big time with his limited knowledge of the subject?

> Rod's got this mantra that CDMA won't be closed on 28/1/8

Never said that. I JUST said that telstra doesnt decide the
date anymore, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> - as I've stated before, unless the govt SPECIFICALLY STATES it wont be closed on 28/1/8, then it will be

Wrong, as always. Read the license conditions,
you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> The govt could step in 27/1/8, or not at all

Its ALREADY stepped in and changed the license
conditions, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

Michael wrote...

> > There would have to be provisions
> > under the Trade Practices Act that would force Telstra to offer such
> > "incentives", anyway.
>
> Apart from the issue of ETC waiving, Telstra owe you NOTHING, so they arent
> forced to offer you anything

ETC?

Anyway, that Telstra owes the customer nothing, I doubt is in dispute. I think
that what people are disputing is that Telstra is offering "incentives" to move
to NextG, or at least, off CDMA.

It appears that it is making these incentives sound like some sort of reward or
perhaps compensation. Waiving a termination fee is no biggy, particularly if
there is 3 months to go and the bulk of most CDMA contracts out there would be
nearly expired, anyway.

What would be a true incentive is if Telstra offered discounts on rental plans,
bundled calls at reduced prices for X months or whatever. However I'm unaware of
any such offers. Not that it matters to me, given that I moved over to NG last
year after my CDMA contract expired.

Got a flyer in the paper. Telstra advert on NextG and how its coverage is better
and bigger than CDMA. Thing is, I've yet to see this. Lots of place where CDMA
was better than NG. Some places have yet to get back to the level of coverage
that analog used to offer.


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"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote...
>
>> > There would have to be provisions
>> > under the Trade Practices Act that would force Telstra to offer such
>> > "incentives", anyway.
>>
>> Apart from the issue of ETC waiving, Telstra owe you NOTHING, so they
>> arent
>> forced to offer you anything
>
> ETC?
>

Early Termination Charge - Penalty for ending your contract early.

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On Oct 30, 9:19 am, Marts <[email protected]> wrote:
> Michael wrote...
> > > There would have to be provisions
> > > under the Trade Practices Act that would force Telstra to offer such
> > > "incentives", anyway.
>
> > Apart from the issue of ETC waiving, Telstra owe you NOTHING, so they arent
> > forced to offer you anything
>
> ETC?
>
> Anyway, that Telstra owes the customer nothing, I doubt is in dispute. I think
> that what people are disputing is that Telstra is offering "incentives" to move
> to NextG, or at least, off CDMA.
>
> It appears that it is making these incentives sound like some sort of reward or
> perhaps compensation. Waiving a termination fee is no biggy, particularly if
> there is 3 months to go and the bulk of most CDMA contracts out there would be
> nearly expired, anyway.

There will be a number which will have about 12 months to run by
january, as the etc waiver offer began earlier this year. that could
amount to many hundreds of dollars per service.

> What would be a true incentive is if Telstra offered discounts on rental plans,
> bundled calls at reduced prices for X months or whatever. However I'm unaware of
> any such offers. Not that it matters to me, given that I moved over to NG last
> year after my CDMA contract expired.
>
> Got a flyer in the paper. Telstra advert on NextG and how its coverage is better
> and bigger than CDMA. Thing is, I've yet to see this. Lots of place where CDMA
> was better than NG. Some places have yet to get back to the level of coverage
> that analog used to offer.
>
> --
> There are only two ways of dealing with women, and neither
> of them work.

Michael wrote...

> If CDMA is an aging relic I wonder what their GSM network is?

It's a stable, if age proven system that tends to provoke the adage, "if it
ain't broke, then don't fix it."

Same for CDMA, really. So what if it's "aging". The new features that NextG has
to offer won't be used by most people anyway, just like they didn't use them on
CDMA. Too expensive, too slow and trying to look at internet pages on a crappy
mobile phone display is like pushing **** uphill...


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"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Kwyjibo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>> Just another bare faced lie. You still have the right to the
>>>>>>> number for quite
>>>>>>> a while after the cdma system stops, even if it does stop on that
>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't bet on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No need to bet on anything. The only thing that makes any sense at
>>>>> all is to wait and see how things turn out and not mindlessly
>>>>> change now.
>>>>>> The choice is clear:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, wait and see how things pan out.
>>>>>
>>>>>> migrate to nextg or gsm, or allow your service to be
>>>>>> DEACTIVATED when the CDMA network is closed down.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or wait and see how things pan out till say Jan and decide then.
>>>>>
>>>>>> remember, you can't even port your number to another
>>>>>> carrier if you want, unless it is an ACTIVE service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its still an ACTIVE service in Jan, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless system protocols are drastically changed and
>>>>>> there's absolutley no guarantee in this, you can't
>>>>>> reactivate a CDMA number after that network is closed.
>>>>>
>>>>> It aint closed in Jan, stupid.
>>>>
>>>> sure is lovey, it closes on 28 jan,
>>>
>>> Probably - Not definitely though.
>>
>> Its definately unless the Govt changes its mind
>
> The govt has already done that, and decided that the govt gets to
> set that date, not telstra, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

The Govt has not changed the date. I have not seen anything from the Govt
that says, "CDMA will not close on 28/1/8 - it will close on some other day"
>
>

"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:rnmci3hl5gnpngtm7t99sl2rd9poei5r1a@martz_57.com...
> Michael wrote...
>
>> > There would have to be provisions
>> > under the Trade Practices Act that would force Telstra to offer such
>> > "incentives", anyway.
>>
>> Apart from the issue of ETC waiving, Telstra owe you NOTHING, so they
>> arent
>> forced to offer you anything
>
> ETC?

Early termination charge; any fees payable due to you or Telstra terminating
your contract.

For example, you connect to a new CDMA contract for two years on 1/7/6. But
network closes 28/1/8, so the contract is terminated and ETCs are applied to
the service.

You are not eligible to pay those ETCs because Telstra chose to close the
network, not you

> Anyway, that Telstra owes the customer nothing, I doubt is in dispute. I
> think
> that what people are disputing is that Telstra is offering "incentives" to
> move
> to NextG, or at least, off CDMA.
>
> It appears that it is making these incentives sound like some sort of
> reward or
> perhaps compensation. Waiving a termination fee is no biggy, particularly
> if
> there is 3 months to go and the bulk of most CDMA contracts out there
> would be
> nearly expired, anyway.
>
> What would be a true incentive is if Telstra offered discounts on rental
> plans,
> bundled calls at reduced prices for X months or whatever. However I'm
> unaware of
> any such offers. Not that it matters to me, given that I moved over to NG
> last
> year after my CDMA contract expired.
>
> Got a flyer in the paper. Telstra advert on NextG and how its coverage is
> better
> and bigger than CDMA. Thing is, I've yet to see this. Lots of place where
> CDMA
> was better than NG. Some places have yet to get back to the level of
> coverage
> that analog used to offer.

Given that NextG covers 99% of the Aus population and CDMA only covers
98.8%, clearly there are more locations where NextG works, and CDMA doesnt,
than the reverse.

Your point about analog is irrelevant, AMPS only ever covered 0.6m sq km,
CDMA covered 1.6m sq km, and NextG covers 1.9-2.0m sq km

There are places in Aus where you can show that any particular technology
works where any other does not. The aggregate is all that is important.
>
>
> --
> There are only two ways of dealing with women, and neither
> of them work.

"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:rclei35bknsjdlnounk9nd80jpiiu0jdb5@martz_57.com...
> Michael wrote...
>
>> If CDMA is an aging relic I wonder what their GSM network is?
>
> It's a stable, if age proven system that tends to provoke the adage, "if
> it
> ain't broke, then don't fix it."

exactly

> Same for CDMA, really. So what if it's "aging". The new features that
> NextG has

My point was, if CDMA was introduced in 1999 and is "aging" then GSM
introduced in 1993 must be a dinosaur

Michael <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> Michael <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Michael <[email protected]> wrote

>>>>>>>> Just another bare faced lie. You still have the right to the number for quite
>>>>>>>> a while after the cdma system stops, even if it does stop on that date.

>>>>>>> Don't bet on it.

>>>>>> No need to bet on anything. The only thing that makes any sense at all is to wait and see how things turn out and
>>>>>> not mindlessly change now. The choice is clear:

>>>>>> Yep, wait and see how things pan out.

>>>>>>> migrate to nextg or gsm, or allow your service to be
>>>>>>> DEACTIVATED when the CDMA network is closed down.

>>>>>> Or wait and see how things pan out till say Jan and decide then.

>>>>>>> remember, you can't even port your number to another
>>>>>>> carrier if you want, unless it is an ACTIVE service.

>>>>>> Its still an ACTIVE service in Jan, stupid.

>>>>>>> Unless system protocols are drastically changed and there's absolutley no guarantee in this, you can't
>>>>>>> reactivate a CDMA number after that network is closed.

>>>>>> It aint closed in Jan, stupid.

>>>>> sure is lovey, it closes on 28 jan,

>>>> Probably - Not definitely though.

>>> Its definately unless the Govt changes its mind

>> The govt has already done that, and decided that the govt gets to
>> set that date, not telstra, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> The Govt has not changed the date.

Its decided that the govt gets to set that date, not
telstra, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> I have not seen anything from the Govt that says, "CDMA will not close on 28/1/8 - it will close on some other day"

Govts dont change license conditions without a reason, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

Michael <[email protected]> wrote
> Marts <[email protected]> wrote
>> Michael wrote...
>>
>>>> There would have to be provisions
>>>> under the Trade Practices Act that would force Telstra to offer
>>>> such "incentives", anyway.
>>>
>>> Apart from the issue of ETC waiving, Telstra owe you NOTHING, so
>>> they arent
>>> forced to offer you anything
>>
>> ETC?
>
> Early termination charge; any fees payable due to you or Telstra
> terminating your contract.
>
> For example, you connect to a new CDMA contract for two years on
> 1/7/6. But network closes 28/1/8, so the contract is terminated and
> ETCs are applied to the service.
>
> You are not eligible to pay those ETCs because Telstra chose to close
> the network, not you
>
>> Anyway, that Telstra owes the customer nothing, I doubt is in
>> dispute. I think
>> that what people are disputing is that Telstra is offering
>> "incentives" to move
>> to NextG, or at least, off CDMA.
>>
>> It appears that it is making these incentives sound like some sort of
>> reward or
>> perhaps compensation. Waiving a termination fee is no biggy,
>> particularly if
>> there is 3 months to go and the bulk of most CDMA contracts out there
>> would be
>> nearly expired, anyway.
>>
>> What would be a true incentive is if Telstra offered discounts on
>> rental plans,
>> bundled calls at reduced prices for X months or whatever. However I'm
>> unaware of
>> any such offers. Not that it matters to me, given that I moved over
>> to NG last
>> year after my CDMA contract expired.
>>
>> Got a flyer in the paper. Telstra advert on NextG and how its
>> coverage is better
>> and bigger than CDMA. Thing is, I've yet to see this. Lots of place
>> where CDMA
>> was better than NG. Some places have yet to get back to the level of
>> coverage
>> that analog used to offer.
>
> Given that NextG covers 99% of the Aus population and CDMA only covers
> 98.8%, clearly there are more locations where NextG works, and CDMA
> doesnt, than the reverse.
>
> Your point about analog is irrelevant, AMPS only ever covered 0.6m sq
> km, CDMA covered 1.6m sq km, and NextG covers 1.9-2.0m sq km
>
> There are places in Aus where you can show that any particular
> technology works where any other does not. The aggregate is all that
> is important.

Wrong when the cdma system is being turned off and telstra never
told those who signed up for it that it was going to be turned off.

Legally telstra has to continue to be able to provide them with a service,
and if they cant do that, they are legally entitled to a full refund.

"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jleti3d1gogjhs0qigr1b4r19h6d8ggv7j@martz_57.com...
> Michael wrote...
>
>> Given that NextG covers 99% of the Aus population and CDMA only covers
>> 98.8%, clearly there are more locations where NextG works, and CDMA
>> doesnt,
>> than the reverse.
>
> Clearly, then, someone has got their 98 and 99 percents mixed up
> somewhere.
> Perhaps whoever is responsible for the PR should have a chat to whoever is
> responsible for the tech side of things. Hopefully then, they can get
> their
> stories straight. But right now, I can tell you that in quite a few places
> that
> I've been since getting the NextG phone, its coverage isn't as good as
> when I
> had my CDMA phone, starting with areas in NE Victoria, some places near
> where I
> live, one or two spots on the 90 Mile Beach (SE Victoria coastline), and
> Phillip
> Island. Cowes to be precise.
>
>> Your point about analog is irrelevant, AMPS only ever covered 0.6m sq km,
>> CDMA covered 1.6m sq km, and NextG covers 1.9-2.0m sq km
>
> I only made reference to it because some spots that we go bush, we could
> get an
> AMPS signal, but GSM, CDMA and now NextG is still non-existant.
>
> So, for those areas that had good AMPS coverage, chances are that CMDA or
> NextG
> won't have been made as good.
>

Have you tried getting a signal w/ one of Telstra's new NextG phones?
eg the Telstra 165 'Country Phone' mentioned at
http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...ObjectID=40918
You 'may' get better reception. If you don't, call your nearest Federal
politician.

The silly thing it the Telstra site returns no results for a search on "165
Country Phone" or even "165" (that are relevant), but I was told at a
Telstra shop that they actually have it in stock.

Core2Duo wrote...


> Have you tried getting a signal w/ one of Telstra's new NextG phones?

Only a Samsung A501 and a newly purchased Palm Treo 750. Both appear to perform
as well as each other.

> The silly thing it the Telstra site returns no results for a search on "165
> Country Phone" or even "165" (that are relevant), but I was told at a
> Telstra shop that they actually have it in stock.

They actually have SOMETHING in stock???

Wow. Last week I strolled into the local T shop and enquired about accessories
for the Treo. They had nothing. No covers, no car chargers or even spare stylii.
For this stuff I have to go onto Ebay.

Thing is, I want to look and touch, feel, whatever, the covers. I'd hate to pay
for something, get it and its that thick that you can't actually press
individual keys, or that the screen protector makes the touch screen
inoperative.

Rod Speed wrote...

> > There are places in Aus where you can show that any particular
> > technology works where any other does not. The aggregate is all that
> > is important.
>
> Wrong when the cdma system is being turned off and telstra never
> told those who signed up for it that it was going to be turned off.

Dunno what that doublespeak of Michael's is about but as for your comment,
Telstra on 1st November, switched off the CDMA network. The locals weren't
informed of this. When Telstra was contacted by one or two of the locals they
were told that NextG was in operation.

One guy I know said that NextG coverage up there is woeful.

Oh, Dargo is a small farming community in NE Gippsland, heading into the high
country. Mt Hotham is probably one of the closer landmarks. Ditto for
Wonnangatta Valley. It's a popular place for offroaders to visit.