Telstra forcing me off CDMA

"Core2Duo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Michael wrote...
>>
>>> Given that NextG covers 99% of the Aus population and CDMA only covers
>>> 98.8%, clearly there are more locations where NextG works, and CDMA
>>> doesnt,
>>> than the reverse.
>>
>> Clearly, then, someone has got their 98 and 99 percents mixed up
>> somewhere.
>> Perhaps whoever is responsible for the PR should have a chat to whoever
>> is
>> responsible for the tech side of things. Hopefully then, they can get
>> their
>> stories straight. But right now, I can tell you that in quite a few
>> places that
>> I've been since getting the NextG phone, its coverage isn't as good as
>> when I
>> had my CDMA phone, starting with areas in NE Victoria, some places near
>> where I
>> live, one or two spots on the 90 Mile Beach (SE Victoria coastline), and
>> Phillip
>> Island. Cowes to be precise.
>>
>>> Your point about analog is irrelevant, AMPS only ever covered 0.6m sq
>>> km,
>>> CDMA covered 1.6m sq km, and NextG covers 1.9-2.0m sq km
>>
>> I only made reference to it because some spots that we go bush, we could
>> get an
>> AMPS signal, but GSM, CDMA and now NextG is still non-existant.
>>
>> So, for those areas that had good AMPS coverage, chances are that CMDA or
>> NextG
>> won't have been made as good.
>>
>
> Have you tried getting a signal w/ one of Telstra's new NextG phones?
> eg the Telstra 165 'Country Phone' mentioned at
> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...ObjectID=40918
> You 'may' get better reception. If you don't, call your nearest Federal
> politician.
>
> The silly thing it the Telstra site returns no results for a search on
> "165 Country Phone" or even "165" (that are relevant), but I was told at a
> Telstra shop that they actually have it in stock.
>
That's because Telstra's website search engine always has been, and always
will be, totally and utterly ****ed. Try searching for other basic
'products' such as Phoneaway, Faxstream Duet, Call Waiting etc and you
usually end up with ****-all in relevant results



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"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Core2Duo wrote...
>
>
>> Have you tried getting a signal w/ one of Telstra's new NextG phones?
>
> Only a Samsung A501 and a newly purchased Palm Treo 750. Both appear to
> perform
> as well as each other.
>
>> The silly thing it the Telstra site returns no results for a search on
>> "165
>> Country Phone" or even "165" (that are relevant), but I was told at a
>> Telstra shop that they actually have it in stock.
>
> They actually have SOMETHING in stock???
>
> Wow. Last week I strolled into the local T shop and enquired about
> accessories
> for the Treo. They had nothing. No covers, no car chargers or even spare
> stylii.
> For this stuff I have to go onto Ebay.
>
> Thing is, I want to look and touch, feel, whatever, the covers. I'd hate
> to pay
> for something, get it and its that thick that you can't actually press
> individual keys, or that the screen protector makes the touch screen
> inoperative.
>

Ask a Telstra shop if you may borrow a 'Country phone 165' & test its
reception.

"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed wrote...
>
>> > There are places in Aus where you can show that any particular
>> > technology works where any other does not. The aggregate is all that
>> > is important.
>>
>> Wrong when the cdma system is being turned off and telstra never
>> told those who signed up for it that it was going to be turned off.
>
> Dunno what that doublespeak of Michael's is about but as for your comment,
> Telstra on 1st November, switched off the CDMA network. The locals weren't
> informed of this. When Telstra was contacted by one or two of the locals
> they
> were told that NextG was in operation.
>
> One guy I know said that NextG coverage up there is woeful.
>
> Oh, Dargo is a small farming community in NE Gippsland, heading into the
> high
> country. Mt Hotham is probably one of the closer landmarks. Ditto for
> Wonnangatta Valley. It's a popular place for offroaders to visit.
>


"Telstra was contacted by one or two of the locals they were told that NextG
was in operation"
Tough is you can't receive the signal though. Maybe semaphore will help.

I doubt if the 'apologist' Michael can do anything about the situation.

Core2Duo wrote...

> Ask a Telstra shop if you may borrow a 'Country phone 165' & test its
> reception.

Why would I want to do that?

thegoons wrote...

> That's because Telstra's website search engine always has been, and always
> will be, totally and utterly ****ed. Try searching for other basic

Is it any coincidence, then that sites such as www.afl.com.au or
www.v8supercar.com.au are two of the worst sites that I've had the displeasure
of trying to navigate through?

You can guess the LCD here, can't you?


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"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote...
>
>> If CDMA is an aging relic I wonder what their GSM network is?
>
> It's a stable, if age proven system that tends to provoke the adage, "if
> it
> ain't broke, then don't fix it."
>
> Same for CDMA, really. So what if it's "aging". The new features that
> NextG has
> to offer won't be used by most people anyway

I don't buy that. Over a million video calls were made in the first year.
That's now up to a million a month.

> Too expensive, too slow and trying to look at internet pages on a crappy
> mobile phone display is like pushing **** uphill...

You're doing it wrong.

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The only thing that makes any sense at all is a free nextg handset of
> as least as good a performance as the cdma system you have now,
> AND the same plan detail as you already have with cdma too.
>

I've just worked it out! Rod's poor!
Get a job, Rod!

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Legally telstra has to continue to be able to provide them with a service,
> and if they cant do that, they are legally entitled to a full refund.

Of what?

"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jleti3d1gogjhs0qigr1b4r19h6d8ggv7j@martz_57.com...
> Michael wrote...
>
>> Given that NextG covers 99% of the Aus population and CDMA only covers
>> 98.8%, clearly there are more locations where NextG works, and CDMA
>> doesnt,
>> than the reverse.
>
> Clearly, then, someone has got their 98 and 99 percents mixed up
> somewhere.
> Perhaps whoever is responsible for the PR should have a chat to whoever is
> responsible for the tech side of things. Hopefully then, they can get
> their
> stories straight. But right now, I can tell you that in quite a few places
> that
> I've been since getting the NextG phone, its coverage isn't as good as
> when I
> had my CDMA phone, starting with areas in NE Victoria, some places near
> where I
> live, one or two spots on the 90 Mile Beach (SE Victoria coastline), and
> Phillip
> Island. Cowes to be precise.
>
>> Your point about analog is irrelevant, AMPS only ever covered 0.6m sq km,
>> CDMA covered 1.6m sq km, and NextG covers 1.9-2.0m sq km
>
> I only made reference to it because some spots that we go bush, we could
> get an
> AMPS signal, but GSM, CDMA and now NextG is still non-existant.
>
> So, for those areas that had good AMPS coverage, chances are that CMDA or
> NextG
> won't have been made as good.

http://www.telstra.com/coveragefeedback

Report it here. With equivilence being a major issue with the Government,
all feedback is being monitored and acted upon.
If one doesn't report it, one has no business complaining about it.

"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jleti3d1gogjhs0qigr1b4r19h6d8ggv7j@martz_57.com...
> Michael wrote...
>
>> Given that NextG covers 99% of the Aus population and CDMA only covers
>> 98.8%, clearly there are more locations where NextG works, and CDMA
>> doesnt,
>> than the reverse.
>
> Clearly, then, someone has got their 98 and 99 percents mixed up
> somewhere.
> Perhaps whoever is responsible for the PR should have a chat to whoever is
> responsible for the tech side of things. Hopefully then, they can get
> their
> stories straight. But right now, I can tell you that in quite a few places
> that
> I've been since getting the NextG phone, its coverage isn't as good as
> when I
> had my CDMA phone, starting with areas in NE Victoria, some places near
> where I
> live, one or two spots on the 90 Mile Beach (SE Victoria coastline), and
> Phillip
> Island. Cowes to be precise.
>
>> Your point about analog is irrelevant, AMPS only ever covered 0.6m sq km,
>> CDMA covered 1.6m sq km, and NextG covers 1.9-2.0m sq km
>
> I only made reference to it because some spots that we go bush, we could
> get an
> AMPS signal, but GSM, CDMA and now NextG is still non-existant.
>
> So, for those areas that had good AMPS coverage, chances are that CMDA or
> NextG
> won't have been made as good.

http://www.telstra.com/coveragefeedback

Report it here. With equivilence being a major issue with the Government,
all feedback is being monitored and acted upon.
If one doesn't report it, one has no business complaining about it (not
suggesting you fit this).

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:25:34 GMT mattic may have written:
> > Same for CDMA, really. So what if it's "aging". The new features
> > that NextG has to offer won't be used by most people anyway
>
> I don't buy that. Over a million video calls were made in the first year.
> That's now up to a million a month.

versus how many voice-calls in the same period/s?

PD

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mattic wrote...

> I don't buy that. Over a million video calls were made in the first year.
> That's now up to a million a month.

How many of these calls are once off ones? You know, people who try it out for
the novelty factor? Of course, I'd be tipping that most of these calls will be
from teenagers to teenagers.

Anyway, where did you get these figures from?

> > Too expensive, too slow and trying to look at internet pages on a crappy
> > mobile phone display is like pushing **** uphill...
>
> You're doing it wrong.

How can I be "doing it wrong"? I open Internet Explorer. I enter a URL. It
navigates to that URL. It displays a webpage, one that's meant to be displayed
on a normal computer monitor, in a ****ed up manner.

If there is another way of viewing web pages so that they're not ****ed up,
perhaps you could enlighten us.

Not to mention that despite the claims by Telstra and its apologists that it's
"fast", it's slow loading. And I'm talking from experience. First using a
Samsung A501 and now a Palm Treo 750. I've also played with a mate's Samsung
Blackjack and another's Motorola Vxx (can't remember the model number but it's
NextG).

Now, if the cost of accessing data services was more reasonable, I'd probably
put up with the substandard service. But as it's hideously expensive, I don't
bother using said data services any more.

The Treo is used primarily as a PDA and as a basic phone.


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mattic wrote...


> http://www.telstra.com/coveragefeedback
>
> Report it here. With equivilence being a major issue with the Government,
> all feedback is being monitored and acted upon.

I've reported poor coverage around the Corryong district (NE Vic). It had a
marginal CDMA service, NextG is non-existant.

So far, 9 months later, coverage hasn't improved. I'll be up there in Feb. Being
post-CDMA switchoff it'll be interesting to see how it is performing, then.

>>>>>>> It aint closed in Jan, stupid.
>
>>>>>> sure is lovey, it closes on 28 jan,
>
>>>>> Probably - Not definitely though.
>
>>>> Its definately unless the Govt changes its mind
>
>>> The govt has already done that, and decided that the govt gets to
>>> set that date, not telstra, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.
>
>> The Govt has not changed the date.
>
> Its decided that the govt gets to set that date, not
> telstra, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

Well, Roddles, either the Govt have changed the date or they havent.
And they havent

>> I have not seen anything from the Govt that says, "CDMA will not close on
>> 28/1/8 - it will close on some other day"
>
> Govts dont change license conditions without a reason, you stupid dunny
> cleaning ****wit child.

Idiot

>
>

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Michael <[email protected]> wrote
>> Marts <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Michael wrote...
>>>
>>>>> There would have to be provisions
>>>>> under the Trade Practices Act that would force Telstra to offer
>>>>> such "incentives", anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Apart from the issue of ETC waiving, Telstra owe you NOTHING, so
>>>> they arent
>>>> forced to offer you anything
>>>
>>> ETC?
>>
>> Early termination charge; any fees payable due to you or Telstra
>> terminating your contract.
>>
>> For example, you connect to a new CDMA contract for two years on
>> 1/7/6. But network closes 28/1/8, so the contract is terminated and
>> ETCs are applied to the service.
>>
>> You are not eligible to pay those ETCs because Telstra chose to close
>> the network, not you
>>
>>> Anyway, that Telstra owes the customer nothing, I doubt is in
>>> dispute. I think
>>> that what people are disputing is that Telstra is offering
>>> "incentives" to move
>>> to NextG, or at least, off CDMA.
>>>
>>> It appears that it is making these incentives sound like some sort of
>>> reward or
>>> perhaps compensation. Waiving a termination fee is no biggy,
>>> particularly if
>>> there is 3 months to go and the bulk of most CDMA contracts out there
>>> would be
>>> nearly expired, anyway.
>>>
>>> What would be a true incentive is if Telstra offered discounts on
>>> rental plans,
>>> bundled calls at reduced prices for X months or whatever. However I'm
>>> unaware of
>>> any such offers. Not that it matters to me, given that I moved over
>>> to NG last
>>> year after my CDMA contract expired.
>>>
>>> Got a flyer in the paper. Telstra advert on NextG and how its
>>> coverage is better
>>> and bigger than CDMA. Thing is, I've yet to see this. Lots of place
>>> where CDMA
>>> was better than NG. Some places have yet to get back to the level of
>>> coverage
>>> that analog used to offer.
>>
>> Given that NextG covers 99% of the Aus population and CDMA only covers
>> 98.8%, clearly there are more locations where NextG works, and CDMA
>> doesnt, than the reverse.
>>
>> Your point about analog is irrelevant, AMPS only ever covered 0.6m sq
>> km, CDMA covered 1.6m sq km, and NextG covers 1.9-2.0m sq km
>>
>> There are places in Aus where you can show that any particular
>> technology works where any other does not. The aggregate is all that
>> is important.
>
> Wrong when the cdma system is being turned off and telstra never
> told those who signed up for it that it was going to be turned off.
>
> Legally telstra has to continue to be able to provide them with a service,
> and if they cant do that, they are legally entitled to a full refund.

A refund of what?
If you are under contract for your handset - your ETC is waived
They wont charge you network access past 28 Jan, so, I ask again, what is
there to refund?
>
>