Telstra criticises G9

"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Kwyjibo wrote...
>
>> Other than the posts I made following Telstra's ****up that caused dismal
>> sync speeds, the only posts I made in relation to my iiNet speed were
>> complimentary.
>
> Was this issue ever resolved?

Not really. Telstra wholesale refused to do anything about it.

> If so, how? What was the outcome?

Had to cancel the iiNet ADSL2 service and connect to a resold Telstra ADSL1
service and pay an additional $50 per month.....
4 other iiNet customers in the same street have the same problem.

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"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Kwyjibo wrote...
>
>> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> > and they dont guarantee you any particular figure on attentuation, so
>> > its
>> > irrelevant
>>
>> They may not make the guarantee publicly, but there is an internal
>
> So, really, you could apply for ADSL2+, get connected, only to find that
> your
> line sync speed is no faster than a DSL1 service, and that there is ****
> all
> that you can do about it?

In theory, yep.

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Kwyj.

Kwyjibo wrote...

> >> Other than the posts I made following Telstra's ****up that caused dismal
> >> sync speeds, the only posts I made in relation to my iiNet speed were
> >> complimentary.
> >
> > Was this issue ever resolved?
>
> Not really. Telstra wholesale refused to do anything about it.

Bummer

> Had to cancel the iiNet ADSL2 service and connect to a resold Telstra ADSL1
> service and pay an additional $50 per month.....
> 4 other iiNet customers in the same street have the same problem.

Double bummer.

"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote...
>
>> > I have. They have and they won't. The fault lies in the crap cabling
>> > that
>> > comprises my line. It's made up of sections of alum conductor as well
>> > as
>> > copper. Telstra won't give me an entirely new line.
>>
>> Forget what your line is comprised of - its irrelevant.
>
> No, it's not. It is what is causing my varying line conditions. When it
> rains,
> it's just gets worse.

Once again you miss the point.

Telstra provide you with a SERVICE - not a physical product or
infrastructure.

If your SERVICE doesnt work - you report it as a fault and keep at it until
it is fixed.

It is IRRELEVANT what they use to provide you with a PSTN service or
equivalent, it could be via CDMA WLL, a copper line, a copper/aluminimum
line, a copper line via a RIM or a CMUX, a NextG WLL service, a DRCS, a
satellite service.

You pay for a SERVICE not INFRASTRUCTURE

> The very composition of an aluminium conductor causes interference
> problems
> compared to a copper run. Now, if the all the cabling from my neighborhood
> is

No, its doesnt cause any problems on its own

"Kwyjibo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:k6g9l3lemnjiuch7584e2hhjuvb5rc8atb@martz_57.com...
>> Kwyjibo wrote...
>>
>>> Other than the posts I made following Telstra's ****up that caused
>>> dismal
>>> sync speeds, the only posts I made in relation to my iiNet speed were
>>> complimentary.
>>
>> Was this issue ever resolved?
>
> Not really. Telstra wholesale refused to do anything about it.

It's iinet who do "something about it", not TW.

Your relationship is with iinet, not TW.

If iinet werent able to convince TW to do something, thats iinet's problem.

>> If so, how? What was the outcome?
>
> Had to cancel the iiNet ADSL2 service and connect to a resold Telstra
> ADSL1 service and pay an additional $50 per month.....
> 4 other iiNet customers in the same street have the same problem.

Blame iinet.
>
> --
> Kwyj.
>

Michael <[email protected]> wrote
> Marts <[email protected]> wrote
>> Michael wrote

>>>> I have. They have and they won't. The fault lies in the crap cabling that comprises my line. It's made up of
>>>> sections of alum conductor as well as copper. Telstra won't give me an entirely new line.

>>> Forget what your line is comprised of - its irrelevant.

>> No, it's not. It is what is causing my varying line conditions. When it rains, it's just gets worse.

> Once again you miss the point.

Nope.

> Telstra provide you with a SERVICE - not a physical product or infrastructure.

Irrelevant.

> If your SERVICE doesnt work - you report it as a fault and keep at it until it is fixed.

> It is IRRELEVANT what they use to provide you with a PSTN service or equivalent, it could be via CDMA WLL, a copper
> line, a copper/aluminimum line, a copper line via a RIM or a CMUX, a NextG WLL service, a DRCS, a satellite service.

No it isnt.

> You pay for a SERVICE not INFRASTRUCTURE

Wrong, as always.

>> The very composition of an aluminium conductor causes interference problems
>> compared to a copper run. Now, if the all the cabling from my neighborhood is

> No, its doesnt cause any problems on its own

Wrong, as always.

"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Kwyjibo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:k6g9l3lemnjiuch7584e2hhjuvb5rc8atb@martz_57.com...
>>> Kwyjibo wrote...
>>>
>>>> Other than the posts I made following Telstra's ****up that caused
>>>> dismal
>>>> sync speeds, the only posts I made in relation to my iiNet speed were
>>>> complimentary.
>>>
>>> Was this issue ever resolved?
>>
>> Not really. Telstra wholesale refused to do anything about it.
>
> It's iinet who do "something about it", not TW.

iiNet did all they could. Not much they can do if TW refuse to get off their
arses.
That's precisely the reason the copper monopoly should be taken from
Telstra.


> Your relationship is with iinet, not TW.

Yep, and I was very happy with their service too.

> If iinet werent able to convince TW to do something, thats iinet's
> problem.

Which then becomes my problem, ****wit.

>>> If so, how? What was the outcome?
>>
>> Had to cancel the iiNet ADSL2 service and connect to a resold Telstra
>> ADSL1 service and pay an additional $50 per month.....
>> 4 other iiNet customers in the same street have the same problem.
>
> Blame iinet.

Nope. I'll blame the company responsible - Telstra.

PS: Where are these quotes of me complaining about getting 3.5Mbps on an
ADSL2 connection, you lying ****?

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Kwyj.

Michael wrote...

> > No, it's not. It is what is causing my varying line conditions. When it
> > rains, it's just gets worse.
>
> Once again you miss the point.
>
> Telstra provide you with a SERVICE - not a physical product or
> infrastructure.

Yes, I understand that. However, the mechanism that provides the service cannot
cope with ADSL2+ to provide the maximum line speed that should be available.

And, as the tex have told me, it's due in part to sections of the cabling
between here and the exchange being composed of alum. conductors. If it was
copper all the way, then I'd be seeing closer to 18mbps instead of around 10
mbps.

And Telstra ain't gonna change this, not when it's not the provider of the DSL2
service. All it will do is to act on faults that occur on the line that impede
the delivery of the service, or that reduce the quality of the basic voice
service that it's meant to provide.

In other words, I have to wear it, unless they decide to upgrade the
infrastructure in my area to allow a full speed DSL2 service to operate.

And YES, I have complained on numerous occasions. Twice the deteriorating
service has been fixed, due mainly to crook joints that were weather affected.
But other than that, they tell me that there is nothing more that it will (not
'can') do.

> > The very composition of an aluminium conductor causes interference
> > problems compared to a copper run. Now, if the all the cabling from my neighborhood

> No, its doesnt cause any problems on its own

Not according to either the evidence of a poor performing DSL2 service, or what
the tex have told me.

>> Your relationship is with iinet, not TW.
>
> Yep, and I was very happy with their service too.

So "happy" you disconnected and connected an ASDL1 service?

>> If iinet werent able to convince TW to do something, thats iinet's
>> problem.
>
> Which then becomes my problem, ****wit.

Yep. The problem is you and iinet


>> Blame iinet.
>
> Nope. I'll blame the company responsible - Telstra.

You dont have any relationship with Telstra

> PS: Where are these quotes of me complaining about getting 3.5Mbps on an
> ADSL2 connection, you lying ****?

Same place you dropped em - Whirlfool.
>
> --
> Kwyj.
>

Kwyjibo wrote...

> That's precisely the reason the copper monopoly should be taken from
> Telstra.

If Telstra loses the monopoly, who would you give it to?

Remember, unless they string out duplicate, triplicate or quadruplicate services
where there is an existing Telstra service, then you will always have a monopoly
of the landline services in any given region.

It's like when they broke up the public transport network in Melbourne to
different operators and talking about "competition". If you wanted to catch a
tram from the City to say, Hawthorn you could not choose with PT service to ride
on. It was owned by the one company. However, after that journey ended you could
jump on a train or a bus that was owned by someone else to travel the rest of
your journey if you couldn't catch the tram all the way there.

The same goes for the power companies. While you may have your power through
say, Energy Australia, you're still connected to the network that is owned by
say, Origin Energy or TruEnergy, which may own the network in your part of the
state. They still sting you the supply charges, but it's passed onto the
retailer who bills you accordingly.

In the power industry the only true competition is between the generators. After
the power leaves their generator transformers it's up to the nightmare that is
the privatised retail and distribution sector as to how it gets to your place
and the money out of your wallet.

I'm not sure how you'd work it so that Telstra would lose its monopoly and
hence, control of the network. Not without other telcos running their own
cables. And wouldn't that be a waste of resources?


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Marts <[email protected]> wrote
> Kwyjibo wrote

>> That's precisely the reason the copper monopoly should be taken from Telstra.

> If Telstra loses the monopoly, who would you give it to?

Fools like that usually want it given back to the govt. No thanks.

> Remember, unless they string out duplicate, triplicate or quadruplicate
> services where there is an existing Telstra service, then you will always
> have a monopoly of the landline services in any given region.

But clearly telstra wouldnt get to try to shaft its competitors on access
to the copper network if it no longer had the copper network.

> It's like when they broke up the public transport network in
> Melbourne to different operators and talking about "competition".

Nope, nothing like.

> If you wanted to catch a tram from the City to say, Hawthorn you
> could not choose with PT service to ride on. It was owned by the
> one company. However, after that journey ended you could jump
> on a train or a bus that was owned by someone else to travel the
> rest of your journey if you couldn't catch the tram all the way there.

Phone services are nothing like that.

> The same goes for the power companies.

Nope, quite different again.

> While you may have your power through say, Energy Australia,
> you're still connected to the network that is owned by say,
> Origin Energy or TruEnergy, which may own the network
> in your part of the state. They still sting you the supply charges,
> but it's passed onto the retailer who bills you accordingly.

Just a tad unlikely that he doesnt realise that.

> In the power industry the only true competition is between the generators.

Wrong again. There is real competiton on what the end user gets charged too.

> After the power leaves their generator transformers it's up to
> the nightmare that is the privatised retail and distribution sector
> as to how it gets to your place and the money out of your wallet.

> I'm not sure how you'd work it so that Telstra would
> lose its monopoly and hence, control of the network.
> Not without other telcos running their own cables.

You just have a govt operation owning and maintaining the copper network.

No thanks.

> And wouldn't that be a waste of resources?

Any competition is a waste of resources, including having more
than one supermarket chain, and more than one bank, etc etc etc.

We have competition for other reasons.

"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Kwyjibo wrote...
>
>> That's precisely the reason the copper monopoly should be taken from
>> Telstra.
>
> If Telstra loses the monopoly, who would you give it to?

There isnt any monopoly at all currently, not as long as you have Optus HFC
and any kind of wirelesss service

Michael <[email protected]> wrote
> Marts <[email protected]> wrote
>> Kwyjibo wrote

>>> That's precisely the reason the copper monopoly should be taken from Telstra.

>> If Telstra loses the monopoly, who would you give it to?

> There isnt any monopoly at all currently,

There is with copper, you flagrantly dishonest dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> not as long as you have Optus HFC and any kind of wirelesss service

Neither of those are copper, you flagrantly dishonest dunny cleaning ****wit child.

Michael wrote...

> > If Telstra loses the monopoly, who would you give it to?
>
> There isnt any monopoly at all currently, not as long as you have Optus HFC
> and any kind of wirelesss service

I'm talking about the land based copper network, not wireless or other services
that ostensibly could "compete" with Telstra's landline network.

Most people are connected to it and use it for day to day phone services, such
as calling people, people calling them, the internet, whether it be dialup or
ADSL (or even ISDN).

True competition would be where I could use say, NextG or some other provider's
wireless services for the same cost as I do for my home phone line. Right now,
though, that's not an option, not when ANY call is timed and up to a dollar a
minute, carrier dependant and where data charges more than quadruple that even
the most expensive ADSL based ISP has to offer.



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"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Michael <[email protected]> wrote
>> Marts <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Kwyjibo wrote
>
>>>> That's precisely the reason the copper monopoly should be taken from
>>>> Telstra.
>
>>> If Telstra loses the monopoly, who would you give it to?
>
>> There isnt any monopoly at all currently,
>
> There is with copper, you flagrantly dishonest dunny cleaning ****wit
> child.

You moron. As if anyone cares what element the line itself is composed of

>> not as long as you have Optus HFC and any kind of wirelesss service
>
> Neither of those are copper, you flagrantly dishonest dunny cleaning
> ****wit child.

Its a "local loop" monopoly allegation, retard