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  1. #16
    Rod Speed
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    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote


    >>>>>> Since telstra got the australian infrastucture for free,


    >>>>> Lie.


    >>>> Fact.


    >>> Wrong.


    >> Nope.


    >>>>> Telstra, through their shareholders, paid the government billions of dollars for it.


    >>>> Pity the shareholders aint telstra, stupid.


    >>> Try reading what I wrote, ****wit.


    >> Your mindless pig ignorant **** has always been,
    >> and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.


    > So you reckon those billions of dollars were just a gift


    They werent payment for the australian phone infrastructure, ****wit.





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  2. #17
    Kwyjibo
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    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed


    "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

    >
    >>>>>>> Since telstra got the australian infrastucture for free,

    >
    >>>>>> Lie.

    >
    >>>>> Fact.

    >
    >>>> Wrong.

    >
    >>> Nope.

    >
    >>>>>> Telstra, through their shareholders, paid the government billions of
    >>>>>> dollars for it.

    >
    >>>>> Pity the shareholders aint telstra, stupid.

    >
    >>>> Try reading what I wrote, ****wit.

    >
    >>> Your mindless pig ignorant **** has always been,
    >>> and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

    >
    >> So you reckon those billions of dollars were just a gift

    >
    > They werent payment for the australian phone infrastructure, ****wit.


    They were payment for the phone company which had already paid for and owned
    the infrastructure. No one got anything for free, stupid.

    --
    Kwyj.





  3. #18
    Horry
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    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:33:34 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

    > Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

    >
    >>>>>>> Since telstra got the australian infrastucture for free,

    >
    >>>>>> Lie.

    >
    >>>>> Fact.

    >
    >>>> Wrong.

    >
    >>> Nope.

    >
    >>>>>> Telstra, through their shareholders, paid the government billions of dollars for it.

    >
    >>>>> Pity the shareholders aint telstra, stupid.

    >
    >>>> Try reading what I wrote, ****wit.

    >
    >>> Your mindless pig ignorant **** has always been,
    >>> and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

    >
    >> So you reckon those billions of dollars were just a gift

    >
    > They werent payment for the australian phone infrastructure, ****wit.


    Then what were they for? The Telstra "brand"?

    Check out the prospectuses for the various Telstra floats. The
    infrastructure was part of the deal. The PSTN network is listed there in
    the financial statements.





  4. #19
    Horry
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    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:18:41 +1000, GB wrote:

    > Horry <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >> They shouldn't, but that's not my point. My point is that that private
    >> companies shouldn't be forced to provide unprofitable services.

    >
    > Consequences of receiving a country-wide telephone network for
    > free do not include the right to cherry-pick which bits of that
    > telephone network you want to operate and which bits you don't.


    No-one received a telephone network for free. The Government originally owned
    the network through PMG/Telecom/Telstra. The Government then sold Telstra
    (for tens upon tens of billions of dollars) through a series of public
    share offers. That offer included the PSTN. Read the prospectuses
    for the share offers.





  5. #20
    Phred
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    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    In article <Ub6dnXgMHfJbUZrVnZ2dnUVZ_tCrnZ2d@internode>, GB <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Horry <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
    >> They shouldn't, but that's not my point. My point is that that private
    >> companies shouldn't be forced to provide unprofitable services.

    >
    > Consequences of receiving a country-wide telephone network for
    >free do not include the right to cherry-pick which bits of that
    >telephone network you want to operate and which bits you don't.


    1. Who got "a country-wide telephone network for free"?

    2. I don't think the present argument is over bits of the network,
    it's rather over bits that *aren't* on the network. (But I admit I
    may be wrong there.)

    3. I see this was cross-posted to aus.comms.mobile. Does that imply
    you think it would be okay to use a mobile-style connection for the
    bits not yet on the network?

    Cheers, Phred.

    --
    [email protected]LID




  6. #21
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    Horry <[email protected]> wrote
    > GB wrote
    >> Horry <[email protected]> wrote


    >>> They shouldn't, but that's not my point. My point is that that private
    >>> companies shouldn't be forced to provide unprofitable services.


    >> Consequences of receiving a country-wide telephone network
    >> for free do not include the right to cherry-pick which bits of that
    >> telephone network you want to operate and which bits you don't.


    > No-one received a telephone network for free.


    Wrong, telstra did with the landline system.

    > The Government originally owned the network through PMG/Telecom/Telstra.


    And Telstra didnt pay the govt a cent for that.

    > The Government then sold Telstra (for tens upon tens of
    > billions of dollars) through a series of public share offers.


    Thats not the PSTN, that Telstra which was a lot more than just the PSTN.

    > That offer included the PSTN.


    Yes, but Telstra didnt pay the govt a cent for that.

    > Read the prospectuses for the share offers.


    Dont need to on that.





  7. #22
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    Phred <[email protected]> wrote
    > GB <[email protected]> wrote
    >> Horry <[email protected]> wrote


    >>> They shouldn't, but that's not my point. My point is that that private
    >>> companies shouldn't be forced to provide unprofitable services.


    >> Consequences of receiving a country-wide telephone network
    >> for free do not include the right to cherry-pick which bits of that
    >> telephone network you want to operate and which bits you don't.


    > 1. Who got "a country-wide telephone network for free"?


    Telstra, it was owned by the govt.

    > 2. I don't think the present argument is over bits of the
    > network, it's rather over bits that *aren't* on the network.


    Nope, its whether telstra gets to wear the legal USO obligation as a consequence
    of not having to pay the govt for that country wide phone network.

    > (But I admit I may be wrong there.)


    As always on a friday night.

    > 3. I see this was cross-posted to aus.comms.mobile. Does that imply you think it
    > would be okay to use a mobile-style connection for the bits not yet on the network?


    Nope, thats what the poxington mostly does with most of its telstra lies.





  8. #23
    Rod Speed
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    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

    >>
    >>>>>>>> Since telstra got the australian infrastucture for free,

    >>
    >>>>>>> Lie.

    >>
    >>>>>> Fact.

    >>
    >>>>> Wrong.

    >>
    >>>> Nope.

    >>
    >>>>>>> Telstra, through their shareholders, paid the government
    >>>>>>> billions of dollars for it.

    >>
    >>>>>> Pity the shareholders aint telstra, stupid.

    >>
    >>>>> Try reading what I wrote, ****wit.

    >>
    >>>> Your mindless pig ignorant **** has always been,
    >>>> and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

    >>
    >>> So you reckon those billions of dollars were just a gift

    >>
    >> They werent payment for the australian phone infrastructure, ****wit.


    > They were payment for the phone company which had already paid for and owned the infrastructure.


    Telstra the privatised company didnt own the infrastructure, the govt owned it.

    > No one got anything for free, stupid.


    Pig ignorant lie. Telstra didnt pay the govt a cent for the landline infrastructure.





  9. #24
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    Horry <[email protected]> wrote
    > Rod Speed wrote
    >> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote


    >>>>>>>> Since telstra got the australian infrastucture for free,


    >>>>>>> Lie.


    >>>>>> Fact.


    >>>>> Wrong.


    >>>> Nope.


    >>>>>>> Telstra, through their shareholders, paid the government billions of dollars for it.


    >>>>>> Pity the shareholders aint telstra, stupid.


    >>>>> Try reading what I wrote, ****wit.


    >>>> Your mindless pig ignorant **** has always been,
    >>>> and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.


    >>> So you reckon those billions of dollars were just a gift


    >> They werent payment for the australian phone infrastructure, ****wit.


    > Then what were they for?


    Shares in telstra.

    > The Telstra "brand"?


    Nope.

    > Check out the prospectuses for the various Telstra floats.


    I know what they said thanks.

    > The infrastructure was part of the deal.


    Irrelevant to whether telstra ever paid the govt a cent for it.

    > The PSTN network is listed there in the financial statements.


    Irrelevant to whether telstra ever paid the govt a cent for it.





  10. #25
    Horry
    Guest

    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:14:18 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

    > Phred <[email protected]> wrote
    >> GB <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Horry <[email protected]> wrote

    >
    >>>> They shouldn't, but that's not my point. My point is that that
    >>>> private companies shouldn't be forced to provide unprofitable
    >>>> services.

    >
    >>> Consequences of receiving a country-wide telephone network for free do
    >>> not include the right to cherry-pick which bits of that telephone
    >>> network you want to operate and which bits you don't.

    >
    >> 1. Who got "a country-wide telephone network for free"?

    >
    > Telstra, it was owned by the govt.


    And the Government owned Telstra.

    The Government then sold Telstra (including its assets and liabilities,
    etc.) to the public.


    >> 2. I don't think the present argument is over bits of the network, it's
    >> rather over bits that *aren't* on the network.

    >
    > Nope, its whether telstra gets to wear the legal USO obligation as a
    > consequence of not having to pay the govt for that country wide phone
    > network.


    The Government OWNED Telstra.

    The people who bought shares in T1, T2, and T3 paid the Commonwealth money
    in exchange for a company which had certain assets, including "that
    country wide phone network".

    Are you suggesting that the Commonwealth received money for selling
    something it didn't own (because it had previously given it away for
    free to Telstra)?

    Did the Commonwealth rip the public off, or were the prospectuses wrong?





  11. #26
    Horry
    Guest

    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:15:44 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

    > Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>
    >>>>>>>>> Since telstra got the australian infrastucture for free,
    >>>
    >>>>>>>> Lie.
    >>>
    >>>>>>> Fact.
    >>>
    >>>>>> Wrong.
    >>>
    >>>>> Nope.
    >>>
    >>>>>>>> Telstra, through their shareholders, paid the government
    >>>>>>>> billions of dollars for it.
    >>>
    >>>>>>> Pity the shareholders aint telstra, stupid.
    >>>
    >>>>>> Try reading what I wrote, ****wit.
    >>>
    >>>>> Your mindless pig ignorant **** has always been,
    >>>>> and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.
    >>>
    >>>> So you reckon those billions of dollars were just a gift
    >>>
    >>> They werent payment for the australian phone infrastructure, ****wit.

    >
    >> They were payment for the phone company which had already paid for and owned the infrastructure.

    >
    > Telstra the privatised company didnt own the infrastructure, the govt owned it.


    So at the time of T1 (when Telstra first became partly privatized),
    Telstra didn't own the PSTN?? Did the Commonwealth transfer ownership at
    some later stage (and get nothing in return -- neither cash, nor an
    increased stake in the corporation)?


    >> No one got anything for free, stupid.

    >
    > Pig ignorant lie. Telstra didnt pay the govt a cent for the landline
    > infrastructure.


    Then what on earth did the public pay the Commonwealth tens of billions of
    dollars for? Call centres, white Telstra vans, and "goodwill"?






  12. #27
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    Horry <[email protected]> wrote
    > Rod Speed wrote
    >> Phred <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> GB <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Horry <[email protected]> wrote


    >>>>> They shouldn't, but that's not my point. My point is that that private
    >>>>> companies shouldn't be forced to provide unprofitable services.


    >>>> Consequences of receiving a country-wide telephone network for
    >>>> free do not include the right to cherry-pick which bits of that
    >>>> telephone network you want to operate and which bits you don't.


    >>> 1. Who got "a country-wide telephone network for free"?


    >> Telstra, it was owned by the govt.


    > And the Government owned Telstra.


    > The Government then sold Telstra (including its assets and liabilities, etc.) to the public.


    Irrelevant to whether telstra paid a cent to the govt for the landline network
    and so gets to wear the USO when the govt includes that condition on telstra.

    >>> 2. I don't think the present argument is over bits of the
    >>> network, it's rather over bits that *aren't* on the network.


    >> Nope, its whether telstra gets to wear the legal USO obligation as a consequence
    >> of not having to pay the govt for that country wide phone network.


    > The Government OWNED Telstra.


    Irrelevant to whether telstra paid a cent to the govt for the landline network
    and so gets to wear the USO when the govt includes that condition on telstra.

    > The people who bought shares in T1, T2, and T3 paid the
    > Commonwealth money in exchange for a company which had
    > certain assets, including "that country wide phone network".


    Irrelevant to whether telstra paid a cent to the govt for the landline network
    and so gets to wear the USO when the govt includes that condition on telstra.

    > Are you suggesting that the Commonwealth
    > received money for selling something it didn't own


    Nope, that telstra is a lot more than JUST the landline infrastructure.

    > (because it had previously given it away for free to Telstra)?


    JUST that telstra didnt pay the govt a cent for the landline infrastructure.

    > Did the Commonwealth rip the public off, or were the prospectuses wrong?


    Neither. Telstra gets to wear the USO that the govt chose to apply to all telcos.

    Telstra gets to like that or lump it.





  13. #28
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    Horry <[email protected]> wrote
    > Rod Speed wrote
    >> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote


    >>>>>>>>>> Since telstra got the australian infrastucture for free,


    >>>>>>>>> Lie.


    >>>>>>>> Fact.


    >>>>>>> Wrong.


    >>>>>> Nope.


    >>>>>>>>> Telstra, through their shareholders, paid
    >>>>>>>>> the government billions of dollars for it.


    >>>>>>>> Pity the shareholders aint telstra, stupid.


    >>>>>>> Try reading what I wrote, ****wit.


    >>>>>> Your mindless pig ignorant **** has always been,
    >>>>>> and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.


    >>>>> So you reckon those billions of dollars were just a gift


    >>>> They werent payment for the australian phone infrastructure, ****wit.


    >>> They were payment for the phone company which
    >>> had already paid for and owned the infrastructure.


    >> Telstra the privatised company didnt own the infrastructure, the govt owned it.


    > So at the time of T1 (when Telstra first became
    > partly privatized), Telstra didn't own the PSTN??


    Didnt say that.

    > Did the Commonwealth transfer ownership at some later stage


    Didnt say that either.

    > (and get nothing in return -- neither cash, nor an increased stake in the corporation)?


    Or that.

    >>> No one got anything for free, stupid.


    >> Pig ignorant lie. Telstra didnt pay the govt a cent for the landline infrastructure.


    > Then what on earth did the public pay the Commonwealth tens of billions of dollars for?


    For shares in telstra.

    > Call centres, white Telstra vans, and "goodwill"?


    Shares in telstra.





  14. #29
    Kwyjibo
    Guest

    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed


    "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>> Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>
    >>>>>>>>> Since telstra got the australian infrastucture for free,
    >>>
    >>>>>>>> Lie.
    >>>
    >>>>>>> Fact.
    >>>
    >>>>>> Wrong.
    >>>
    >>>>> Nope.
    >>>
    >>>>>>>> Telstra, through their shareholders, paid the government
    >>>>>>>> billions of dollars for it.
    >>>
    >>>>>>> Pity the shareholders aint telstra, stupid.
    >>>
    >>>>>> Try reading what I wrote, ****wit.
    >>>
    >>>>> Your mindless pig ignorant **** has always been,
    >>>>> and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.
    >>>
    >>>> So you reckon those billions of dollars were just a gift
    >>>
    >>> They werent payment for the australian phone infrastructure, ****wit.

    >
    >> They were payment for the phone company which had already paid for and
    >> owned the infrastructure.

    >
    > Telstra the privatised company didnt own the infrastructure, the govt
    > owned it.


    Lie. Telstra owned it, and Telstra Corp (the legal entity which owned the
    network) existed a long time before privatisation.

    >
    >> No one got anything for free, stupid.

    >
    > Pig ignorant lie. Telstra didnt pay the govt a cent for the landline
    > infrastructure.


    Because the government didn't own it, stupid. Telstra did.

    --
    Kwyj.





  15. #30
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra wants fixed phone line obligation reviewed

    Some gutless drug running ****wit desperately cowering behind
    Kwyjibo <[email protected]> wrote just the puerile pig ignorant
    **** you'd expect from a desperately cowering drug running ****wit
    thats never ever had a ****ing clue about anything at all, ever.





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